#119: Beyond Remission: The Whole-Human Cancer Roadmap | Pete Stevenson

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Join me and other practitioners as we guide you towards vibrant health, body, mind, and spirit, and move beyond symptom management into true healing. Welcome back. Welcome back, everybody to Beyond the Pills. I'm your host, Josh Rimini, pharmacist turned healer, uh, and on that path today. We have a really good guest.

homa survivor who discovered [: 00:01:00

So through his journey and what emerged was a powerful both and approach blending Western medicine with evidence-based integrative therapies, nervous system regulation, mindfulness, spiritual practice, all these things we've been talking about on this show and a radical lifestyle change. Out of that journey, Pete founded Evolve Health.

tical influenced by Buddhist [: 00:02:00

We'll talk about that and that determine the outcomes long after treatment ends. He's also developing personalized support app for cancer patients and has published multiple free digital books we'll talk about to help people access integrative care, financial aid, and disability beliefs be benefit benefits.

Fundraising resources and emotional healing tools, all the things we love now. This is a deeply human conversation about resilience, systems level healing, and what I love, it looks to be truly going beyond the pills with your life when your life depends on it. Welcome to the show, my friend Pete.

Pete: Thanks for having me,

Josh: man.

people find me and we get to [: 00:03:00

Pete: Mm-hmm.

Josh: And we did it in different ways that led us to unlock and access things we didn't really realize. So I wanna talk about your story.

Uh, first I want to know like what listeners need to know, like this healing journey that you went on. I want people to describe what kind of, when you, when we met you told me about your story. I want, I want you to expand on that.

Pete: Yeah. So when I was in my thirties, I was living a pretty normal life. You know, I had a partner, friends, I was running my own business.

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And so when I started feeling ill and there was no explanation for it. You know, I went down this path of seeing many, many doctors and you know, one said, maybe it's long COVID, another said, oh, it's vitamin D deficiency. And another said, you know, these different things. But none of these diagnoses actually answered my questions about what was going on.

And so when I finally, uh, went into the doctor's office and requested a, uh, chest x-ray, um. They, they found a seven inch tumor pressing up against my lungs, my heart. It was halfway wrapped around my esophagus, which was making it difficult to breathe, difficult to swallow. I was dealing with chronic fatigue, a cough.

o make the bed. Um, I was so [: 00:05:00

And so at that point I was thrust into the western, you know, oncology world, you know, treatments, labs, uh, chemo, endless doctor's appointments, just. So many prescriptions. My medicine cabinet is still packed full of all these prescriptions that I just haven't thrown away yet. You know, my life became survival, you know, I was just, I didn't know if I was gonna make it to Christmas.

Josh: Yeah.

ent types of chemotherapies. [: 00:06:00

And three or four surgeries, you know, I'm missing ribs 'cause they couldn't go down through my esophagus 'cause it was too plugged up with inflammation in the can, in the tumor. Um, so they just, every time they went into my chest to look around, they had to take out another rib.

Josh: Oh,

Pete: lots of, uh, hang, uh, you know, leftovers from, from cancer.

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It was in that moment that I realized that something needed to change and I needed to do, do something different to, to heal. And that's when I kind of went out on a limb and flew to San Diego and, uh, participated in a, a Mind Body healing retreat, which introduced me to. Alternative and holistic medicine and lifestyle change.

Uh, meditation. Uh, it was a raw vegan diet. I was, you know, prioritizing sleep, um, doing all these things that I had never done, and even through cancer. I wasn't doing them because many of my oncologists, uh, told me this thing is genetic and there's not much you can do except these treatments that we're offering.

and, uh, but, but the cancer [: 00:08:00

But it wasn't until that dark night of the soul when I realized I either do something different or I die. And that's when I really went into alternative uh, medicine. And within six months the cancer was gone. Completely gone from, uh, I didn't do it another conventional treatment at that point. Um, and that really inspired me 'cause I recognized, oh, there's a lot that I didn't know, I didn't know, you know, I, my beliefs were wrong.

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And, you know, healing isn't a passive exercise. Healing is a participatory, you know, thing. You have to participate in it. You have to engage in your healing. If you, if you do, there's, you know, there's a path to healing for everyone. I, I truly believe that.

Josh: Yeah. I love your story, man. Not, not the part of the cancer, but like, you know, like, and it brings me back 'cause I remember weekly chemotherapy treatments, radiation, like all this stuff when I was 16 'cause I had a LL leukemia and similar story, right?

Like.

Pete: Yeah.

And also the compelling part [: 00:10:00

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: Like, and I had this conversation with someone on a recent, another recent podcast where it was just like. You get to that place where every, you've exhausted everything in our western world has to offer. Even the, the biologicals, you went all the way to the immune

Pete: drip,

Josh: right? The brand new stuff.

Pete: The cutting edge.

Josh: Yes, the cutting edge. Right. And, and then I love this 'cause it's the ancient wisdom comes back into the modern science and you're like mind body medicine, meditation. Sleep, uh, like prioritizing sleep, getting really, really structured with your diet. Like giving no excuse for cancer to be there.

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: Right.

come in a very quick manner. [: 00:11:00

Like, and, and there's nothing wrong with the oncology approach. It's where we've came from, but you went beyond that because it didn't serve the healing side of what you are talking about. What we are talking about. It was the sick care disease. Let's take away the disease, like get rid of the cancer. But it never addressed why it was coming in the first place.

nt to belief, to mindset and [: 00:12:00

That's why I love having you here today is you and I have gone through our healing journeys, so we've experienced it viscerally, not just theoretically in a book, right? You can, you can read all about meditation and it's. You know, it's, it's value in healthcare at this point. There's too many studies to just, but you felt it, you went through it.

So tell, tell, tell the audience a little bit about what you were going through in your mindset shift.

Pete: Yeah. So, so you mentioned how important belief is and how it can actually have a biological impact. And in western science, we call this the placebo effect, right? It's not, it's, it's known, it's studied, it's tested.

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The changes you can make mentally and emotionally around healing is such huge Oh, it's,

Josh: it's literally thought can make you well, period. Like the placebo effect is real. We've studied it. In fact, we try to wash it out that 30% of people get better off. Nothing. Let's wash that out so we can prove the drug does something.

Pete: Yeah,

Josh: that's what I do. That is why I love, and I'm, look, I'm a classically trained pharmacist. I know what the placebo effect is actually, but I nurture the placebo effect where pharma washes it out.

Pete: Yes.

% of people can get better [: 00:14:00

Pete: Yeah. So

Josh: bringing it up, I got, it's,

Pete: yeah.

Josh: So fun to, you know, to, to listen to that and to hear it in real world.

Pete: Yes, yes. People would often ask, you know, what's making a difference and what's not, and how do you know? And I would say, it doesn't really matter to me. It's working. Right.

Josh: Feeling matters. Yes. The outcome matters. How you,

Pete: yes,

Josh: I give this conversation all the time.

They were like, I literally talked about this today in our other, our other episode, we were recording, but it was like. I don't care how you get Well, if you get well, and if you're, if you did that on your own, great. Like if you did that with your belief system and your thought is is medicine and that's, that's it.

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It's so fun.

Pete: Yeah. Joda Bens has done some awesome work around this. You are the placebo.

Josh: That is my book's right here. It's like, like I've, I've studied under him directly because the, the, the science component is not pseudo anymore. You know,

Pete: it's not, and all the woo woo things. I say that with, you know, bunny ears is.

It's not woo woo. It, it works. It's real, you know? And I'm proof of that. And there's a lot of other cancer patients who apply these, uh, these protocols and methodologies and it heals their cancer. So it's, it's not, it's not random. It's not, you know, it's, it's not just this miracle turnaround, it's the actions I took.

your question about beliefs. [: 00:16:00

This is gonna kill me. Once I asked, is this actually true? And I realized, no, why? You know, there's a million possibilities that I could heal from this thing, and I'm focusing on this one possibility. You know, this one outcome that really helped open me up. It was a major shift in, in, you know, my, my state of being, because at that point I realized, wow, there are.

tic, uh, you know, medicine. [: 00:17:00

I would try this new therapy. It had vitamin C infusions and missile toe. And a few other of the alternative, uh, you know, protocols. Most of what I did was radical lifestyle change. I think that's one of the most effective and, uh, you know, important things that we can do to support healing. Um, but, you know, I was constantly experimenting and trying out new things and I learned to listen to my body and listened to my, my gut, you know, I established a relationship with my instinct again.

I think there's, you know, there's a felt sense of this is working and this is not working. It's just, you can't really describe it with words, but you know, you know, you know, we know when we're eating a certain meal. Is this healing or is it not healing? We know based on how we feel, if something was supportive or not supportive, and.

know, it can sometimes be so [: 00:18:00

You know? And I think a lot of people push that away and ignore it. Instead, they just listen to their oncologist and whatever he or she tells them to do. And even if it doesn't feel quite right, they're just, they're so, you know, when you get diagnosed, it's terrifying. There's a lot of urgency. Get, you know, get this treatment done, get

Josh: vulnerable too.

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Like, I, I re, I still remember this, like I 16 is a fog for me, but I remember like as soon as, as soon as they're diagnosed, the real, like, we saw it, it's in the blood, it's leukemia, it's not good. And. We can get into all that stuff, but like what you said is really like it. It's moving from here to here, right?

Yeah. Intuitive knowledge is, the body knows. I talk to people about this all the time. They're like, which, what should I do? I'm not sure.

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: You're like, I'm like, which one feels better to you? Right?

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: This or this, like that. Feeling like getting out of the head into the heart is not like. Soft. It's like we're moving from the age of information to the age of knowing, like our body knows.

at what you're putting in is [: 00:20:00

We just sort of forgot about it because we haven't been able to hear it. Right. Our mind is so beautiful, but it's also. Stemming into the high beta and doing the things we're doing is like, oh, I gotta do this. I gotta do what? Who, what? You know? It's like, no. Like what? Resetting your nervous system, getting centered, and you said radical lifestyle change.

I want you to tell people what you did and how you stayed accountable to that. Because not everybody's gonna have a cancer diagnosis or some chronic illness where they have to radically change, but, and we also know that 70 to 80% of all chronic conditions are a lifestyle issue.

Pete: Yeah. [: 00:21:00

Josh: So talk to people about your way and what you did.

'cause we'll get into Evolve Health and what you're doing to help people, but this is a huge piece that gets overlooked. Like a fish swimming in water, talking to his buddy, Hey, how's the water today? And he goes, whatcha talking about right? Lifestyle is that it is the highest level of medicine that we can use when you get the lifestyle pieces right?

So talk to people a little bit about your radical shift and then seeing those results and then. The one piece I always love to talk about is how did you stay accountable? Yeah. 'cause it's easy to slide,

Pete: right? Yes. And there's a, there's a long story to that as well, but, um, first of all, lifestyle medicine is.

All of the things we can do in, you know, in our just day-to-day life. Right. And there's actually a field called lifestyle medicine. There are lifestyle medicine, MDs.

Josh: Yeah. [: 00:22:00

Pete: It's, it's very, you know, it's studied. It's not, you know, it's not woo

Josh: no. It's a certification. Like you, I talked to one, I talked to a lifestyle medicine certified physician yesterday.

Pete: Yep. Yeah. It's, you know, it's, it's a well understood space in the healing world, you know? So what it means is, you know, your food, uh, your exercise, how you move your body, your mental and emotional state, uh, your sleep, um, you know, what are you ingesting not just in terms of food, but you know, news and media and things like that.

w I lived. You know, my I, I [: 00:23:00

I was running a data, data analytics consulting firm and I was just grinding all the time. And so I quit my job and focused on healing, focused on, uh, reducing sources of stress and working on my nervous system because nervous system is such an important part of our healing process and our, um, immune system's ability to function properly.

I. Slept as much as I could. Like sleeping became a thing for me that I prioritized. It was very important. I, everything I ate and drank was healing. There was nothing I put into my body that didn't have some healing component to it. Um, you know, the nutrients, the hydration, um, you know, you know, gut health and digestion.

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You know, all of these aspects of my life, I had to just understand and relearn, and the way I stayed accountable is. I had a lot of motivation. Let's just start with that. Like it was life or death. So at that point I was like, I, I gotta do this stuff, otherwise I'm not gonna make it. So I had a lot of, you know, motivation.

n-toxic. Um, no perfumes, no [: 00:25:00

And I just created an environment that was conducive to healing where I didn't have to make. Lots of choices all the time and like, go into that tug of war, oh, should I eat, you know, these cookies that are, are in the cabinet or not. I didn't even have cookies in the cabinet, so that wasn't an option. And that, that helped a lot, you know, and my wife was incredibly supportive too.

Josh: Well, you, you touched on a lot of things that I, I, I screened and assess a lot of, right. First thing first is like, I call it clean eating. And clean living. Like, take away the camp, take away the bad stuff. The first thing you do if you wanna eat right, is clean out the pantry. Like, that's it. It literally is like, get rid of the, the junk.

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Pete: Yeah.

Josh: So, so important.

Which, yeah. Which brings, uh, brings us to where you are like today, like the Evolve health, what your personal healing journey. It evolved into the creation of Evolve Health, right? And giving people access. So talk to people about the evolution of that and where it is today.

Pete: Yeah, I, I learned through this experience that there was a lot, I didn't know there was a lot out there that can support healing and I had no idea about it.

noticed in my experience was [: 00:27:00

There's a huge lack of support when you get diagnosed and no one comes down and sits down with you and gives you a roadmap and says, okay, here's what's gonna happen. You know? And also. Here are all of your options, right? Here are your options for supporting healing and quality of life. Here are your options for financial support.

All these grants and copay assistance programs and emo, you know, emergency funding. Here's all your options for practical support. You know, there's free house cleaning rides at treatments, free hotels and air, you know, airplane tickets. All these different types of support are incredibly important, and so we need to focus, of course on our diet.

Body movement and, uh, supporting healing in all these different ways, but we also need to make sure that we have a stable foundation.

Josh: Yeah.

deal with. Um, and so what I [: 00:28:00

Introduce them to all of the options available for support, the entire landscape of support. Um, you know, there's thousands of organizations offering grants. You know, there's organizations offering all kinds of support services, pro bono attorneys, pro bono therapists. I mean, you, you know, there's, there's a little bit of everything out there.

You just have to know where to look. So a lot of the resources I've created show people where to look, you know, and. You know, I would say the, the other part, the other main thing I do is, is show people that there is a possibility for them to heal. You know, no matter how dire it might feel or how hopeless you are, there's a, you know, I truly believe that everybody has a, the opportunity to heal.

just need to figure out what [: 00:29:00

Josh: You gotta unlock the codes.

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: And those codes are, are unique to every single person. 'cause we're all unique. Yeah. But the, what I feel and what you've been describing is the same, is like, but the, the formula is relatively the same. Right. You have to treat the body right.

You have to get in the right mindset. You have to, you know, I, I love how you brought in like legal, logistical, financial, emotional, 'cause all of those pieces. In your experience? In my experience and, and in many experiences of people going through life threatening conditions like cancer, especially when they're in that stage of, of severity is there's nothing wrong with the sick care system.

There's so entrenched in keeping you alive.

Pete: In

about right now that are so [: 00:30:00

I, I've experienced this too. I love the stuff you're doing a, around this because the aftermath is also important. Like what do you do after cancer, right? Yeah, there's there it's like, oh, I treated you. You either got sick, you either got well or didn't, and then you're gone. Like the healing Well care.

that we are focusing on the [: 00:31:00

That stuff ain't coming back, you know? Yeah. Giving the body the right tools and the right environment. 'cause we now know when I didn't, when I went through therapy that we didn't know this, but we now know epigenetics is a real thing. 95% of our genes are dictated by the environment itself. And so I love that you have this advocacy for people.

To uncover these. I didn't realize half of this stuff you were saying was available. Like

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: Financial support and logistical support and getting to your appointments and all these things are super critical.

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: So I think, I love that you're bringing light to this.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. Western Oncology is really good at killing cancer cells, but it's, it's not great at addressing.

. And a lot of people think, [: 00:32:00

Habits and behaviors that weren't supporting health. You know, and I wasn't learning, they didn't have good information about, you know, a healthy diet. And no one ever told me how important sleep is. You know, my perspective for a long time was sleep. When you're dead, you know, I'm gonna work as much as I.

Josh: That's, that's the mantra of the entrepreneur, right? Yeah. It is like, oh, I'll sleep when I'm dead. I've said it too. And it's like, no, no, no, no. It's the number one, the number two, and the number three longevity tool.

Pete: Exactly. So I think, yeah, so people, people think they is the diagnosis at the beginning, but when you look back, there's 2, 3, 4 decades of behaviors and beliefs and.

you finally start seeing the [: 00:33:00

You know, my, uh, my wife is a integrative healer and she always says the body is the last messenger of the soul. And if you're not, if you're not able to. Make these changes proactively. Eventually your body will tell you in symptoms, pain, you know, chronic illness. And so what I did is I was able to shift my relationship with my cancer away from like, oh, you know, why me towards, okay, this is a wake up call.

You know? And I was able to [: 00:34:00

Wonderful at providing, um, kind of the middle path, you know, and saying, oh no, you should do treatment now, or, let's try some other things first. And then, you know, if that doesn't work, we'll go into that treatment. You know? So, you know, I was able to create, you know, this support system, um, eventually that, that really allowed me to heal and make, ensure that I had the information, the guidance, you know, that was accurate.

Um,

the future, right? It's not [: 00:35:00

Empowerment we take from ourselves to heal in our journey. I love that you brought up the, the, the body, like the body's the last part, right? That's the end result of the soul just telling you, Hey dude, you gotta tell classic, classic results. The same thing is like with diabetes. When you are actually, you know, di like insulin resistant, there's a lot of things that have happened over time to get you to that place, which is why.

When you get to those markers, it's kind of in a place of, I don't think it's too late. I think you can reverse this all the time. I do it in 13 weeks with food medicine lifestyle. But it's the same thing you were saying. It's like it. Your dysfunction didn't happen at the time of diagnosis. It happened way earlier.

This is just [: 00:36:00

Pete: Yeah, so Evolve Health is, like you said, it's a patient advocacy and resource navigation practice, and we help patients with all aspects of their healing journey a lot of times. I would say most of the time folks learn about me because, um, you know, I, I can help them find grants and a lot of people are really stressed about money and, you know, they, they come to me looking for help, getting access to grants or we help patients apply for and when disability benefits and these kinds of things.

ly as soon as you start your [: 00:37:00

Right. And in addition to that, we provide integrative care coaching, right? So I work with directly with patients to. Show them what options they have for healing and, and kind of talk to them about the same things we've been discussing. You know, help, help them understand there's more you can do. Western medicine is amazing.

I wouldn't say it's broken. I would say it's incomplete. And, you know, if you, once you start adding these, these other perspectives and approaches than you can really have an effective, you know, you know, care plan. So I help with that and I do a lot of, uh, emotional support as well. Uh, for folks, it's. Very therapeutic, just to be able to talk to someone who's, you know, who's been, been through it, who gets it, and, you know, vent.

ow. So a lot of, a lot of my [: 00:38:00

It can be really, really tough on, on people's, you know, sense of self. So, you know, coaching people really through these, the practical financial aspect, the emotional aspect, and the, you know, physical human aspect.

Josh: I love it. And you're doing it through your experience, which is the, the key to. It's not a requirement.

at's going through something [: 00:39:00

And I, I'm in that same boat for some reason, people. Find like they're, they attract to me somehow. Like I just find someone, they're like, you know what? I'm going through melanoma and I need, I need something different than what I'm hearing. And I'm like. You're here for a reason. 'cause we were, we're brothers.

We've gone through this journey and, and now there's an empathy on both sides, right? Like, how much do you wanna pour into these people too, Pete, it's like so easy for you, right? Yeah, for me it's like, it lets me up. It's not work. It's like I can, I can see them from that perspective. Not from a pity or anything like that because dude, when I was going through chemo and radiation at 16 in high school, right?

cal high schooler, you know, [: 00:40:00

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: Like you're sick. Like they look at you like you're sick, which is. Kind of like, but then I ha I had my support network, I had all the tools like you and I kind of done it through our experience, but now it's like, oh, there's an actual formula here.

Let's teach this to people. Let's advocate for them and let's, let's do it with the highest intention and purpose and love. So love that.

Pete: Yeah. I think. I, I kind, my rebellious nature came out a lot when I was, when I was going through these, these really evidence symptoms. Like, I'll never forget the morning that I, you know, reached up to like, put my hands through my hair and just like giant C Cub fell out, you know?

, I knew it was coming, but, [: 00:41:00

I'm gonna go shave my head and I went to the gym and I just like worked out as hard as I could with, you know, a shaved head and you know, kind of. It was very freeing for me, you know?

Josh: Yeah.

Pete: I was just like, I'm, this is who I am. This is what I'm dealing with. And at that point I also became really open about it.

I started talking about it a lot. Like, you know, you, you're in the grocery store and you're looking at all the alternative sugars, right? And then someone else walks up, you know, 'cause you wanna find the, you know. You know, you know, Stevia leaf and just, there's people, you know, and I, I would strike up conversations and be like, you know what, what are you, you know, what are you looking for and why?

And like, I would find cancer patients all the time in the grocery store. We're looking at the same, you know, health, health foods and things like that. And yeah, it was very healing to, to have that conversation with, with people.

here do people go? Is Evolve [: 00:42:00

Pete: Yep.

Josh: Right?

Pete: Yep. That's the homepage and. I would start by going to the resources section. You'll see a link in the top, and I have seven or seven or eight guides and eBooks that I published. Everything from how to launch an effective fundraising campaign in your community to the Top 25 different types of financial resources that every cancer patient should know about.

I have a book on disability benefits and you know, help help. People determine if they're eligible. Um, you know, I've written a lot of different books that are designed to put all these tools in people's hands.

Josh: I love it. And you're on, you're on Instagram, Facebook, people can find you.

Pete: Yep, yep. It's Evolve Health on, on all the platforms.

Josh: Nice.

Pete: Yeah.

overwhelmed or lost in their [: 00:43:00

Pete: That it's okay to feel overwhelmed and scared and ashamed. It's, you know, it's okay to feel broken. It's okay to feel like you don't know what to do.

That's a part of this experience and. I want them to understand that they can take an active role in their healing and they can support their body to heal and support a higher quality of life. You know, by, by doing all these things we've been discussing, you know, getting out there and getting information and learning, you know what you can do.

Josh: It's beautiful.

Pete: Yeah.

Josh: Knowing now what. You went through, then

what would [: 00:44:00

Pete: Well, I wasn't ready for the information until I was ready. Right. I, I couldn't have believed the things that I learned until I exhausted all my options. So when I look back, I'm like, yeah, people told me about alternative and holistic. Approaches much earlier than when I actually started doing them, but I just wasn't ready to hear it.

You know? And that's, you know, people are ready when they're ready, you know, and some people have to get kind of the, to the edge of the plank before they are. I would've done my first round of chemo and steroids because I was in an emergency situation. I needed to shrink the tumor down to a point where it wasn't pushing on vital organs and potentially gonna cause like a heart attack or,

Josh: you know,

Pete: um, a blood clot.

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So yeah, I would've definitely started this much sooner. Um, but I had to get to where I got before I was ready to hear it.

Josh: Well, that's, that is, that's beautiful because I wanna honor that like it's. I think a lot of people try to rush. You can't rush your healing. Right? There's, there's a rush piece of like an, an urgency for for good reason, right?

up because that's a, it's a [: 00:46:00

Like you're not, some people aren't ready to hear what they need to hear at the moment. They hear it. It's again, it's part of that divine timing of the journey and unfortunately. A lot of the times people have to get to that end point before they surrender completely to move through this stuff. 'cause under, I think kind of that's how some of the universe works, right?

Yeah. It's just like gets you to that place where it'll get you to where you need to go. And sometimes it's going to like, I think thinking back in my own journey is like. The signs were there, but I didn't see it. You know, it was like the universe was teaching me these things along the way, and it will continue to teach you until you learn from that, you know?

ght that up because that is, [: 00:47:00

Like this is great. Love swapping and sharing these experiences with people and give, giving, like, giving something back after your journey. That is my essence. The shaman or the wounded healer's journey is like, you go through your own rebirth, literally, but now you're, you're here, you're, you've. You have this calling, this thing that you're called to do to help others in their own path.

So I appreciate that. I honor that. I thank you for that. 'cause the, the world aids more healing and especially in the, the cancer warrior world is a big close to my heart as well. So I appreciate

y, they need to hear it from [: 00:48:00

And because this, the stories and shared, or oftentimes it's kind of dismissed as just a random, you know, uh, turnaround in the disease. But really it's a product of all the hard work and the decisions and the radical lifestyle change. The more people can hear these stories and believe in them, I think the more people we can save.

Josh: Well, how do you get the placebo kicking in? Right? It's,

Pete: yeah,

Josh: belief. And how do you get the belief going is you have people, real life experiences and stories of transformation in this case for you. If one person hears it, they're going through this stuff and they now they know, Hey, if that can happen, there's the possibility.

appened. It isn't fake. It's [: 00:49:00

It was you believe that it was possible. The possibility of that belief is what, and you and I know that for our stories and our teaching. So

Pete: yeah, absolutely.

Josh: Go visit that site, get that free information and advocacy evolve two vs health.com. Um. Pete, this has been fun, man. I appreciate you.

Pete: Yeah, thanks Josh.

Yeah, it's been a lot of fun chatting

nd the grants, like all that [: 00:50:00

There's tons of that out there. You just have to figure it out. So all that connecting with you for sure. But I appreciate it, man. Thank you so much.

Pete: Thanks Josh. Take care.

Josh: It was so good to have you. All right guys, that was a great one. So happy we got that one done. Um, that's a wrap. Until next time, stay well.

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