Episode 84

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11th Jul 2025

#84: How the Endocannabinoid System Could Be the Key to Reversing Disease With Chip Paul

How the Endocannabinoid System Could Be the Key to Reversing Disease

In this eye-opening episode of Beyond The Pills, we sit down with Chip Paul, a leading global theorist on the endocannabinoid system (ECS) and a pioneer in holistic health innovation. Chip isn’t a physician—but his research, patents, and groundbreaking theories are influencing the future of wellness in powerful ways.

As the founder of TrueMedX and co-founder of Neighborly Wellness with his wife Cindy, Chip is on a mission to help people reclaim their health naturally. He holds patents for ECS manipulation without cannabis and writes for the only peer-reviewed medical journal dedicated to endocannabinoid science. He’s also a TEDx speaker, curriculum advisor for the University of Mississippi, and adjunct professor at Arizona State University.

In this episode, we explore:

🌿 How the endocannabinoid system functions as the body’s master regulator

🔬 Natural ways to support ECS balance without cannabis

💊 Why many chronic conditions may actually be ECS imbalances in disguise

📚 The spiritual, scientific, and nature-based philosophy behind his work

If you're curious about how the body truly heals or you’re looking for answers outside of prescriptions, this episode will change the way you think about medicine, health, and the divine intelligence built into the human body.

🔗 Learn more at: www.chiptalkspodcast.com

🛒 Explore his patented wellness products at: www.truemedx.com

🏥 Visit his clinic: www.neighborlywellness.com

“God has always given us the cures. The cures are in Nature. The knowledge to unlock these cures can be found within the endocannabinoid system.” – Chip Paul

Transcript
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Oh, welcome,

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welcome to this episode of

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Beyond the Pills.

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This one's gonna be a really good one,

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guys.

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Welcome back.

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This is the journey through

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the intersection of ancient

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wisdom and modern science

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to really uncover what it

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truly means to heal body,

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mind and spirit.

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So today matches that vibe for sure.

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Today's guest is someone who

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embodies this mission in every way.

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Chip Paul,

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is not only a wellness

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innovator and an

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endocannabinoid system expert.

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We're going to talk a lot about that.

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He's a man on a divine

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mission to remind us that

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nature already holds the cures we seek.

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Ooh, I love that.

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As the founder of TruMedx

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and Neighborly Wellness and

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the host of Chip Talks Health,

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Chip is leading a movement

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to reclaim health sovereignty

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by decoding the human

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operating system itself, the ECS.

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A Tulsa Man of the Year

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ordained minister and

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tireless health advocate,

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Chip believes that

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knowledge to heal has

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always been within us and

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it's time to remind and to remember.

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So get ready for a

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soul-stirring and

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science-rich conversation about healing,

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health, freedom,

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and how we can return to

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the blueprint of nature.

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Chip, welcome to the show.

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Thank you, Josh.

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It's a pleasure to be here.

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And thank you for that intro.

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It was great.

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Very well done.

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Well...

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I love reading them and I

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love working on them.

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And because it does truly

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show the essence of,

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I was talking about this in

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another episode recently

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where I read someone's bio

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and they were like,

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or the intro and they're like,

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wow, when I hear it to my own self,

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it's like,

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there's this power that comes

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from it because we speak our truth.

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We speak all those things

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you do when you do you, what you do.

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Right.

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But hearing it and coming

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back in and like absorbing that is,

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is I think is also powerful.

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So yeah,

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Let's get into it.

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We've got a lot going on.

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I've been a student of and

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gone on the deep dives on

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the endocannabinoid system

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for a long time.

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It's obviously front and

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center with medical

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marijuana and all these

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things that are going on.

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But your background is

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unique as your mission is.

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And so let's talk about your

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pathway and advocacy in the

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ECS research and how you

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kind of led you down that path.

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Because I think people,

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they get that backstory,

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then we can dive into a

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little bit of the other stuff.

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So let's just start with, hey,

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who are you and how the

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heck did you get here?

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Yeah, no, that sounds good.

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So I'm, I'm a, you know,

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let's say I'm a

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mathematician by training

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and I have always been a why guy.

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So I've always, you know,

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wanted to dive in and

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figure things out and yeah,

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had some experience in

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fruit with free energy,

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which was really interesting back in the,

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late nineties and early two thousands.

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So I've always been, you know,

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somebody who's going to

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dive in and try to understand a topic.

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And frequency has always

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been something that's been

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super interesting to me

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almost all my life.

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But in twenty thirteen,

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my wife and I were teetotalers,

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complete teetotalers.

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We didn't drink alcohol.

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We didn't smoke marijuana.

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We didn't, you know, do I take Advil,

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but that was about it.

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My back hurt.

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And,

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but we both were in a lot of pain and

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I had a lot of back pain.

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She was a two level spinal fusion patient.

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So she had a lot of pain and

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we knew that something, you know,

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was in our future as far as

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just pain management and pain relief.

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And we decided,

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and it was not just a flip decision.

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It was a very intentional

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and thoughtful decision to, you know,

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I say drive to Colorado and

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get medical marijuana and try it.

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But I think I can now say we

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actually bought some on the

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black market here in

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Oklahoma and tried it

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before we made it legal.

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But that started a whole

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journey and that worked,

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and it worked in a way that

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fascinated me.

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And so that kind of piqued my why.

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And I began to dive in and

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study why medical marijuana worked.

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And it works because it

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impacts something called

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the endocannabinoid system.

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But past that, really,

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the endocannabinoid system

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needs to be divorced from

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medical marijuana.

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But interestingly,

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medical marijuana is a way to, let's say,

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impact the system and can

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kind of if you know what you're doing,

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can impact the system all

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across a continuum or spectrum.

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um and that is you know a

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useful tool let's say and I

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think marijuana will be

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part of our you know

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pharmacopoeia you know in

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the future and all that but

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it really needs to be

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divorced from the

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endocannabinoid system and

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and I see this all the time

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when I speak like I'll you

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know chip come talk about

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the endocannabinoid system

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and as soon as I say

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endocannabinoid I have to

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pull people back from this

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cannabis bias and all this.

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So it really,

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it's our master regulatory system,

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the endocannabinoid system.

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It's common to everything with a spine.

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In fact, we sort of developed it,

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let's say,

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ancestrally in the actual

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organism where we developed a spine.

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That's the first place kind

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of an endocannabinoid,

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rough endocannabinoid system showed up.

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it's prevalent down to not

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only every cell has a hook

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for the endocannabinoid

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system but every organelle

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in every cell has a hook

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for the endocannabinoid

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system and would have to

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you know if it's our master

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regulatory system so it is

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uh the therapeutic target

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of the future it is

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absolutely you know

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something that every

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scientist researcher

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pharmacist doctor physician

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nutritionalist

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should be aware of and

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should intimately know it

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is that important.

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Yes.

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And I think when I was when, you know,

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when we started because I'm

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in North Carolina, nothing's legal here.

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But hemp is.

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And I want to talk about now

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how people are kind of

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moving towards hemp and not this.

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And there's this it's

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another phase to this whole process.

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And I think when we were talking offline,

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you really sparked my my interest,

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because I think people

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think we go to cannabis.

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to affect the system rather

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than the system is affected by cannabis.

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And like what you're saying,

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it is this master regulatory system.

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And because of that,

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way I look functionally and

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I love I'm a y guy too like

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that's why I do what I do

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because I've always asked

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the question why like how

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many wise can I get to the

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place where I really feel

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satisfied so you've gone on

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this deep dive of this ecs

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endocannabinoid system and

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you call it the master

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regulatory system but give

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people a little insight to

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that because when we when

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we're talking functionally

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I think this is really

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important because we're

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going to talk about how we

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can influence it today in different ways,

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body, mind, and spirit,

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because it is this master system.

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And that master system is

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very new to our scientific

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mind and our scientific world,

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even though it's been there forever,

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right?

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And talk to people because when I hear...

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When I hear root cause or

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affecting the master systems, if you will,

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like the grid in power grid, right?

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And you don't affect the power pole.

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If you affect the grid,

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you're going to get there

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because you're going way upstream.

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Upstream to all those

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downstream effects that we

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have in our health.

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And if it's attached to this

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central core of our being,

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our spinal system and our energy systems,

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then...

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when we affect that in a

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positive way it seems as

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though the when the when we

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turn on these master

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regulators right on or off

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the good ways with this

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system and how we can

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modify it seems like that's

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why we're getting all the

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good results because when

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you look at even cbd not

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even just the the

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non-psychoactive

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cannabinoids there's like

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forty or fifty indications

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of use now for these

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specific things.

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So I want you to speak to

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that as the expert in the room.

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Why this master regulatory

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system and what kind of

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plays in and how we can use it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And real quick,

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just a quick analogy and point about,

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about what you were just saying.

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So if you look at, you know,

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semi-glutides are a big

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deal right now and

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semi-glutides have a very

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high risk profile.

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I mean, there's a lot of danger,

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let's say associated with

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using semi-glutides,

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but what they're trying to do,

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their mechanism of action

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is to try to get cells to

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express GLP one and GIP and

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peptide YY and all these

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safety molecules.

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What turns out if you just

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pop up and function,

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there's an endocannabinoid

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neuro receptor that

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controls all of that and is

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a far better target, safer, you know,

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less risk and way more

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efficacious to be able to

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control all that.

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It's called GPR one twenty.

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But let me talk about kind

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of what the endocannabinoid system is.

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And, you know, and I think

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Let me give this description of it.

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And then I also want to talk

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about how to impact it,

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how we normally impact it

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or how your dog impacts it

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or your cat or your bird or

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fish or whatever,

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because I think that's also

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really important.

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But here's what happens with

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the endocannabinoid system.

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So cells, all right,

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cells are like little individual people.

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Okay.

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And they can be happy and

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satisfied and kind of want

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to participate as part of a collective.

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So if I'm a heart cell, you know,

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I'm going to want to join

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with other heart cells and

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kind of build a heart.

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That's what I'm all about.

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But I'm not going to do that

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if I'm not in a good environment.

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Right.

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I'm going to protect myself

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under certain situations.

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And so basically how a cell begins to say.

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Hey,

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I want to be a part of the bigger

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picture.

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I want to be a part of the social system.

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They literally pop up a CB

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one neuro receptor and that says, okay,

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I want to play.

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I want to be a part of the bigger system.

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I want to understand what

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everything's going.

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uh what everything is

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happening in the body I

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want to be a systemic

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player in this big system

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okay and they do that with

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the endocannabinoid system

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all right so cells will

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literally express

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endocannabinoid receptors

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when they're wanting to be

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social and wanting to play

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and wanting to be regulated

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by the big master system

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now interestingly what

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happens under inflammation

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and oxidative stress and

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things like that our cells

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feel threatened they feel

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threatened by the

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environment and that might

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be a you know environmental

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thing that might be an

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infection that might be a

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you know drug that might be

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a lot of different things

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but they feel threatened

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and when they feel

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threatened they literally whoop

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begin to pull in their CB

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one neuroreceptors and say, yeah,

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it's too noisy and staticky out there.

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I don't think I want to play anymore.

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I think I want to just go

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back to being an individual

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and cancer would be the

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absolute extreme of that

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where a cell just completely, you know,

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loses its way.

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But does that kind of make sense as a,

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you know,

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master regulatory system and how

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it works?

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Yeah, well,

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I love how we can break it down.

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I always like it this way.

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It's like you can take it as

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a microscope or a telescope, right?

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When you bring it down to

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the microscopic level,

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the tiny level of the cell

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and the organelle and

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having every cell has a receptor.

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And when you're talking receptor,

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it's just lock and key.

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There's a signal.

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It grabs it and then it's

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something different.

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know this and I love I want

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to touch on the frequency

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side of that when we go

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down the hole a little bit

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because I'm I've been a

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real big bin student of

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everything with frequency

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too and so it's it's really

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to me it's like yeah our

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cells want to work together

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if they don't work together

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we don't have a system

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right it's just we can't we

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don't live with each

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individual but each cell

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has to have its own

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survival mechanism or else

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it doesn't survive, right?

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This is natural, it's nature.

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And so it makes sense though,

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like when it's kind of just

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like the microscopic,

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then I was thinking like,

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it's just the way people are, right?

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It's the way we are as a species.

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Like if I'm not safe,

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I don't have food and shelter,

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and clothes on my back I

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could I'm not going to be

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thinking about how I can

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help other people and do

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all these other things

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because I'm going to

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contract right we all know

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this so it's like if the

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cell is in fight or flight

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it's just going to turn in

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and go like all right I'm

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going to wait until

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everything's good and then

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I'm going to be okay

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And if everything's okay and

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I'm in rest and digest and healing, well,

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that's the time to open up

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and be vulnerable, right?

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And allow us to do that.

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So I love that you brought

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that down to the tiny level

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because I think we all can

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really understand how that kind of works.

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And this system is what

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you're saying is that...

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upstream regulatory

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component where it

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basically tells the system

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or the cell like safe or not safe, right?

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Yeah.

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Well, and it's also like a, you know,

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if you think of in your body and,

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you know, back to the frequency analogy,

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but this is actually true,

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this actually happens,

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but your body's like a symphony, right?

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Your body's like a giant

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symphony and you have to

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have a conductor and that

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conductor though also has to be, you know,

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sensitive,

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let's say to environment

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because you have to make

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changes and you know,

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what's environment diet is environment,

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you know, in environmental stimulus is,

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is, is, you know, environment.

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Right.

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But that conductor has to be

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sensitive to those things because again,

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the conditions change inside of you,

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right?

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The tubas can't play the way

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that they need to play if

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they don't have the right dietary fats.

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You know,

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the horn section can't work right

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if the immune system is all whacked out.

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And so he has to conduct,

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but he has to also conduct

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around all of these variables.

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And so you can think of the

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endocannabinoid system as the conductor.

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Hypothalamus hippocampus is, you know,

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the computer, let's say, in our vehicle,

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right?

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and that's where everything

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originates from but you

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know we have to have a

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sensor array and we have to

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have a mechanism of action

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and that's what the

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endocannabinoid system is

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um that's a really great uh

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space for that um and you

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know looking at it from

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that perspective and

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influencing it in ways um

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So like in that way,

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just thinking about the

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endocannabinoid system and

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holding this key to unlock healing,

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right?

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Unlocking homeostasis or

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hormesis or the way that the body is in,

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I don't say balance, but balancing.

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This is a balancing thing, right?

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And I love where you,

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I've been talking about

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environmental wellbeing for a long time.

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So I'm glad you bring this

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up because it's not like

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you can just influence and

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say everything's fine because

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if all the other signals are off,

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like you're eating crappy,

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you're stressed out,

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all the environmental factors,

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whether it's information environment,

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food environment, environment environment,

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it's all pretty toxic these days.

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And we have to really do a

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lot of other things.

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But in your experience,

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you've gone down this deep

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dive in many different ways, by the way,

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not just the physiological way.

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you know,

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what are some surprising or maybe

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overlooked ways the ECS

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system connects to things

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like gut health or

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emotional regulation or

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even chronic disease that you found?

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Because I think this is

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where we get into like, okay,

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we know what it is, where it's at,

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we're aware.

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And I also want to talk

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about how in the heck did

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you get to here?

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Because...

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We don't have a lot of

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science documented from this, right?

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You had to go find it in

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different places and you've

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created a lot of this

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science with the top level

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people in the world.

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That's what I'm saying.

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And we're talking to like the ECS guy.

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And that was kind of my

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experience going in this

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because people were asking

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about CBD and marijuana.

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And I'm like, I got to figure this out.

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And then I went into the why.

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I'm like, how do I learn more?

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And I think George

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Washington University and

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some of those places were

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doing some little things,

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but it wasn't much.

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And I know that you've been

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like the creator of a lot

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of this because we barely

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have like scratched the

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surface of studying it and like,

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putting the science into it, right?

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Well, yeah, imagine imagine this.

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There are no you know, there's only two,

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let's say,

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major university master's level programs,

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you know,

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that even in their more medical

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marijuana programs and

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there are endocannabinoid

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programs and there's no Ph.D.

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level program yet on the

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endocannabinoid system.

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So what does that mean?

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There's no research.

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There's no Ph.D.

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Research is being done,

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but it's being done kind of

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sideways and bench studies

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and things like that.

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But not real university studies,

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which is really what we want,

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because there's no PhDs to do them.

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You know,

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and it's not taught at a PhD level yet.

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So back to kind of what you're saying.

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But the way that this system works,

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the way that we manage and

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feed this system is so.

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so important because it sets

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a programming tone for what

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goes on inside of us so let

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me kind of walk you through

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a little bit of this and a

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little bit of an example

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and then I think we'll have

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a lot a lot of places to go

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but so the endocannabinoid

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system contrary to popular

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belief is not fed by

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marijuana it's fed by

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dietary fats and there's

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four major types of dietary

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fats saturated fat

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monounsaturated fat,

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omega-three and omega-six fats.

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Our bodies can kind of

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reclaim and make saturated fat.

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It's part of all of our structure.

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It's in our muscles and everything,

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just like it's in the

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muscles of a cow and what

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we see in steak and all that, right?

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So that is saturated fat or

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that is fat is more than saturated.

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Monounsaturated fat is also

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something that our bodies will make.

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Omega-three and omega-six

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fats are fats that don't,

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our bodies can't make they

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are essential essential we

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have to have them and we

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have to eat them every day

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but here's the cool thing

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and here's the and this is

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a crisis right now so to

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your point what's the

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genesis of most disease and

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you know you're going to think this is

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crazy sauce,

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but I encourage you and

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everybody to kind of

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research this and ferret

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this out because it's kind

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of the top level thing that

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we're doing to ourselves

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that sets a tone and

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environment for all disease

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and everything that happens to us.

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But if I feed you equal and

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omega-three and omega-six fats,

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and this is I just

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submitted a paper with the

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world expert on omega-three

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and omega-six fats because

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I'm kind of the world

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expert on the omega and the

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endocannabinoid system.

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to the administration

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because this is so

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important and it needs to

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be we all need to be

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learning about this okay

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but if I feed you equal

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amounts of omega-three and

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omega-six fats that since

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sets a real loose and

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dynamic situation in your

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immune system where you can

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deal with a lot of stuff

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really easily if you have

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an insult you're going to

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inflame a little you're

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going to attack that insult

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You're going to heal that

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area and then you're going to deflame.

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And it's very nice and dynamic.

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And the best example of this,

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let's say you had a dust allergy.

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All right.

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And if you were eating equal

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amounts of omega-three, omega-six,

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I could drive you into a

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dust storm and you would be

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incredibly uncomfortable

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during the dust storm.

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But as soon as we got out of

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the dust storm,

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you'd return right back to

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normal very quickly and be

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exactly the way that you

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were before I drove you

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into the dust storm.

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But here's the kicker.

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Right now in our environment,

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we eat about forty to one

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omega sixes over omega threes.

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OK, when that happens.

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Now,

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let me tell you how important this is.

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That is reflected in every

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single cell wall.

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Every single cell wall in

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your body is a direct

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reflection of your

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omega-three and omega-six intake, okay?

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But when we do this,

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omega-sixes are like fire.

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They're reactive, they're inflammatory.

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They're like fire, fire, fire.

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Omega-threes are like water.

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They're calming, they're healing.

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And so in balance, it's perfect.

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But right now, the way that we're eating,

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again, let's go back to the dust analogy.

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You're allergic to dust.

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You're eating now the way

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that all of us are eating.

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I can't drive you through a dust storm.

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I might kill you.

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You're gonna be that

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explosively reactive and inflammatory.

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A dust mite is going to

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cause this incredible

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overreaction in your immune

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system and you're gonna get

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stuck in that reaction.

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And how many dust mites are

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you gonna be exposed to

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every day and how many

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little infections and all

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this stuff that just cause

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all these explosions?

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In what world do we need

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immunosuppressants to deal

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with immune things like cancer,

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Or like, you know, COVID, right?

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That's insane.

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Only in this explosive inflammatory world,

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we've got to calm stuff

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down so then you can deal with stuff.

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But this is all endocannabinoid system.

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Omega three and omega sixes

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are the master precursors

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for your endocannabinoid system.

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They build prostaglandins.

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Those prostaglandins cause

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inflammation or lack of inflammation.

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They also cause pain.

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So again,

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if you're eating a bunch of

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omega-six over omega-three,

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you're going to be a lot

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more tweaky and sensitive to pain.

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Just another reason why we

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need to have the

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conversation about the omega-three,

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omega-six balance, right?

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Like this is like, I've been, you know,

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this is why in my foundations,

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Rx to Wellness,

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membership program, wellness made simple.

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Like we put a mega three in

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there and we test a mega three indexing,

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right?

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We've had a podcast on the

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creator of a mega three

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indexing because I've been

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saying forever and I never

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really connected it to ECS.

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So thank you because that's why the why,

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right?

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That's where it came from.

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It's like,

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And I knew you were going there.

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It's like, forty to one.

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We're so rich in omega-six.

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And I love that you balance it,

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because having the conversation,

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omega-sixes aren't bad,

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but in the ratio we have them, they are,

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because they're pro-inflammatory.

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They're going to do that.

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They're going to be the hair

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string trigger.

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And so I've always said

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omega-three indexing is so

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important because when you

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get the ratio right, and it's just that.

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It's like you could have the

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conversation all day long

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that omega-three,

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omega-threes are good for you,

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but really it's because the ratio is off,

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right?

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And we're not eating it.

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So I love this because it

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just solidifies some

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content for me as well to –

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you know when you're going

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root cause like here it is

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it's right here right now

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so I love the fact that you

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you're you're and this is

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let's segue this into the

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divorcing of marijuana and

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cannabis from the ecs

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because it hits those

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receptors right this is

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just like why opiates have

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been so good for pain

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because it's hitting the

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opiate receptors we have these systems

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in our bodies and we have

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plants in nature there for

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us to affect these systems.

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It's this beautiful harmony,

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but it's not like the plant

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was designed so we can affect our system.

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It was like we have a system

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and these things have

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naturally progressed.

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So I love that we're having

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this conversation because I

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want to talk about your

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your supplements and your

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innovation on this whole

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process of affecting it in

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the positive light.

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So I love this segue of like omega-three,

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omega-three, omega-three, and why?

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Like, this is why it's important.

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This is why we need to eat it.

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It's essential.

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You don't get it out of your diet.

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Our highly processed foods

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and all the crappy seed

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oils that are being highly

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processed brings us to forty to one.

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This is evident.

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And if you tested yourself

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without omega threes in your body,

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you'll see it.

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This is why you don't we

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don't need to test it.

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But every single time I test it,

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I get people to change.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's one of the biggest,

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you know,

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there's a I won't name them

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because they bug me to death.

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But there's an MLM company

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that does that as part of

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their omega three supplement.

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They'll they'll test and

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then they'll kind of allow you to retest.

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You have to pay for the test.

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that you can at least get a

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status and a baseline of where you are.

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And again, if you're more than four to one,

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you know, omega-six and most people,

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it's really hard to get

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under eight to one, honestly.

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And we should be at about four to one.

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And it's because we just

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don't understand our diet.

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We don't understand our inputs.

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And this is why we need to study that.

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The science here though is done.

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Dr. Artemis Simopoulos,

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who I just talked to yesterday,

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is my co-author on this paper.

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But she did the science on

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this back in the eighties and nineties.

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I mean, it's well, well, well, well,

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well established on these

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ratios and all that.

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So it's just now we need to

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take that science and

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really get it into the

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mainstream and really get

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people to understand the

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criticality of this.

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And again, why is it not out there?

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Well, you know,

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It's in some people's best interest,

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as you know, to keep you sick.

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And there's a whole, you know,

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the billion dollar,

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jillion dollar business around, you know,

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treating symptoms rather than causes.

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And so this hasn't really made it,

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let's say,

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into awareness because of those reasons.

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It's, you know,

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it's a big top knot thing

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that when we get right,

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we'll really start improving our health.

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We have so much upside in our health.

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That's the other cool thing

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about this system.

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And as you study the

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endocannabinoid system,

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the other cool thing is you

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cannot study this system

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without then understanding diet,

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without then understanding

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kind of how we should

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interface with our environment,

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how important it is to have

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proper stuff in our environment,

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because it just all falls

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out of studying the system,

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which is cool.

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I love it.

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And I just read, uh, cause I'm,

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I've been doing a lot with

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longevity and like,

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this is just a big thing.

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People want to learn how to

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live not only longer, but like better.

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Our tagline is live better, stay well.

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And so we're building out a

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longevity protocol based on

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simplicity and science.

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Cause everything I like to

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do is backed by science,

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but then something of

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course pops into my feed

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and they're studying Omega three and

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in longevity right and this

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is why it's like we're

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getting right to the thing

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and it's like everybody's

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looking at nad and

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metformin and all these

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crazy things going on like

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what can I do what can I do

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and it's like I keep having

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these conversations about

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simple like nail

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omega-three your magnesium

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and your vitamin d like if

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you nailing those three

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things you're probably

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gonna be in a much better place

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And so that's why we start

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those three things with the

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supplements and labs in our

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foundations process before I go anywhere,

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before I do anything.

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That's what I'm doing.

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And that's excellent.

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Yeah.

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I love that I'm speaking to

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the world renowned expert

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in the ECS model and he's

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validating like why my

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intuition has always been in here.

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Right.

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It's because the body knows.

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Right.

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The body knows.

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And so we're working through that process.

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So thank you for that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And something else that you

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might kind of and you may already do this,

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but something else that you

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might kind of factor into

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your protocols is infection.

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And then this is something

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that we're seeing, let's say,

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in the people that we're

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seeing clinically.

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And I'm not a doctor.

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I can't say any doctor words or anything.

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We just try to help people

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with the information that we have.

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But what we're seeing is

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infection like crazy.

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And so again,

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if I'm disbalancing you omega-three,

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omega-six heavy,

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your immune system is going

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to be super concerned with

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stuff that it shouldn't be

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concerned with.

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And it kind of leaves your

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gate open for hook, round, and pinworm,

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for H. pylori, for Epstein-Barr virus,

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for cytomegalovirus, for...

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you know,

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all these things that we're

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seeing in people.

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And when we get infected, again,

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if we're infected with something,

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you know, to me, that's why we age.

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I mean,

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grandma doesn't die of a heart attack.

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That's what goes on our death certificate,

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but your heart just doesn't fail.

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God doesn't work that way.

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Hey, Chip,

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I think I'll have your heart fail today.

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It takes years and years and

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years of stress and abuse.

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So grandma dies of a thirty year hook,

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ground and pinworm infection.

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not a heart attack.

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And that's just my thinking.

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And we had talked about that.

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Thanks for reminding me

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because we had talked about

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that prior to the show.

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And yes, because again, it's that...

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that upstream thing like you

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know in functional medicine

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they always talk about it

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but now there's a lot of

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this underpinning about

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like parasites and people

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having these things and

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like they've they've been

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there forever but now it's

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because that immune

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dysregulation and it's

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funny I love you know

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people that know me in this

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show right like I'm

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Big Pharma and Big Food,

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they're doubling down on this stuff.

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It's like every single drug

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now has a MAB behind it,

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which means it's affecting

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the immune system.

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Instead of treating the master switches...

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we're looking at modulating

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that highly reactive immune

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system instead of saying, well,

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why is it highly reactive?

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Every single drug is,

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and there's so many effects.

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Let's not call them side

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effects because when you

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hear the drug commercial, it says, well,

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this might cause cancer and

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death because it's

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affecting the switches in a

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different way.

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And so I'm glad we're

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talking about this in that light, right?

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Have you ever heard the term

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cutting butter with a chainsaw?

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That's kind of what, you know,

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when pharma has a place, good Lord,

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if I get shot or run over,

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please take me to the hospital.

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And, you know,

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acute and traumatic care are

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always over here and should

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always be over here,

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but not general health.

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It's cutting butter with a chainsaw.

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It's, you know, again,

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How do you control high cholesterol?

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Fast, intermittent fast.

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You flip the same switches

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as HMG-COA reductase.

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Inhibitation is what we're after.

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And you do that with AMPK

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just by waiting five hours to eat.

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well I and these are these

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are the simple tools that

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have so much science into

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them right like our

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metabolic reset program we

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the first thing we do is

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teach intermittent fasting

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right it's just because you

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know we're we're hunter

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gatherers there's a reason

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for that like there's a

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reason we evolved in the

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way that we evolved it's

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like we weren't fed all the

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time right we weren't

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Fed all this junk all the time,

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but we weren't fed all the time.

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We had to starve a little

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bit because the body has to

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and it's actually super healthy.

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This is why we saunas and

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plunge pools and like

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everything is all in the

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specs of getting the body

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back to what it's supposed to do.

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Right.

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Yep.

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And so this is just another

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great reason why we should

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be doing the lifestyle.

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Yes, I have it on my website,

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like the RX evolution,

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acute care medicine, medicine,

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medications are necessary.

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But that's because we've gotten so sick.

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We have to change the

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symptom because if we can't

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change the symptom,

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we're going to get worse.

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So yes, when I say it's a sick care system,

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it's not derogatory.

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It's just pharma wants to

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keep you less sick.

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But if they,

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they're not in the business of

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curing or healing because

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they lose a customer, right?

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It's a business.

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We understand that.

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And, and, you know,

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you can plan whatever field

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you want or whatever, you know,

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people that listen to this,

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I feel like want to,

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they understand the systems

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failing them and,

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In an acute setting,

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and this is why our mission

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is to deprescribe ten

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million unnecessary medications.

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We know we're

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overprescribing because it's in the data.

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We're filling more and more

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prescriptions and chronic

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diseases on the rise.

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There's a problem.

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So you and I are on the same

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page talking about these things.

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Chronic conditions managed

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with prescriptions is

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different than acute care.

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You know, if I get hit by a bus, take me.

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We did this in my shamanic healer.

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Right.

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My shamanic healing

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certification is like if I

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get hit by a bus, take me to the ER.

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Don't take me to the shamans.

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No, I'm right with you.

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Because I need to get fixed, right?

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You got to put my parts

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together and make me not dead.

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But then I go to the shaman

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to figure out why I got hit

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by the bus in the first place.

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That's kind of how it works for me.

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Well said.

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So for me,

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it's like that's that's what

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we're talking about.

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It's like you don't have a

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sickness to take.

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You don't have a Prozac deficiency.

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Like figure out why there's

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a problem with your

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depression and why exercise

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is better than Prozac for

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mild to moderate depression.

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Right.

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We can do this.

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That's the thing is like

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hopefully people are understanding like.

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lifestyle medicine is

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actually the core we've

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talked about this in many

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episodes it's the core of

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health it's not like an

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after effect right if

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someone has uh let's say

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high cholesterol right it

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it you know it's about

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ninety five percent that

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they're infected with

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something okay and that's

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what's causing you know

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cholesterol is the brick

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and mortar in the body right

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Forty percent of your brain

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is cholesterol.

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We need it.

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Anytime your cell needs to heal.

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What what happens with LDL

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cholesterol is a cell needs to heal.

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And again, that could be from infection.

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It could be from trauma.

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It could be a bunch of different stuff.

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But if a cell needs to heal,

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it's going to whistle up.

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hey I need some cholesterol

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and the liver is going to

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deliver that in an ldl you

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know clamarocon right so

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it's going to bring that to

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the point of wherever it's

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needed in an ldl so if your

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ldl is high what does that

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logically mean it just

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means cells are needing to

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be repaired they're calling

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for more cholesterol and

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it's most likely an

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infection it could be some

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other things but you know

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Thank you.

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Blood is hydraulic fluid.

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You know, the thinner,

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the healthier you are,

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the thinner your blood's gonna be.

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The more infected you are with things,

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the thicker your blood is gonna be,

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which increases the

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pressure of the hydraulic fluid,

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which increases your blood

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pressure and increases the

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strain on your heart.

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But it just, again,

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it's a whopping indication of infection,

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both of those two things.

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And how many people in our

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society are on high blood

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pressure medication and fricking LDL,

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you know, statins, right?

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Everyone's on statins.

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Everyone's on a PPI, right?

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It's like, well,

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let's keep motoring down

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the symptom of what's going on.

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I always saw that in my stress talks too.

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It's like cortisol,

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like cholesterol is the

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building block for all your hormones.

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So if you have high cholesterol,

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but you're not managing your stress, well,

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you're going to keep

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producing cholesterol

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because the body needs it.

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It's going to all go.

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You're still running from

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the damn tiger every day, all day.

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Like, seventy percent of the patients,

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seventy percent of people

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are in fight or flight all the time.

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So let's move it to the

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other side and get to that forefront.

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So I'm glad you're bringing

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these things up in this way.

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And there's a whole tree, you know,

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from cholesterol,

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which is kind of this

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master molecule for all

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hormones and steroids.

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There's this whole breakdown

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in these trees that happen, you know,

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in testosterone and

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estrogen are kind of way down here.

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Right.

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And to your point,

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if you're in fight or flight,

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you're going to be sucking

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all that cholesterol right

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down your cortisol pathway.

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And you won't, you know, it's a resource.

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It's like a bucket of water.

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You've only got so much water.

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Right.

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Well,

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that's cortisol steel or pregnenolone

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steel, however you want to call it,

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because that's my first –

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Like I don't I we do a lot

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here with like managing sex hormones,

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testosterone,

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estrogens and things like that.

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But I always get up to the space of like,

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where's your cholesterol

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and where's your stress level?

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Because your body.

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Right.

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This is this is it's going

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to run from the tiger

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before it metabolizes the

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food before it has babies.

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Like it's it's a it's a.

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it's a simple system of

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survival so if you're not

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up at the top we're not

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going to be able to manage

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the bottom no matter how

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much we slather on you it's

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just never going to be in

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balance and that's why I

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think a lot of people that

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are in hormones and like in

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a lot of functional

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providers like they're ignoring

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the upstream stuff when

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they're just putting on

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hormones and every single one is like,

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how are you feeling?

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I feel like shit.

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And I was like, well,

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where's your stress level?

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I'm totally stressed.

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I'm like, well,

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let's deal with that before we go here.

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Right.

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And so it's the same thing.

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It's all root cause medicine, right?

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Back to blood pressure real quick.

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What controls blood pressure

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in our body is something

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called aldosterone, which is a hormone,

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and it's a breakdown.

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I had a young lady the other day,

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and she just looked like a

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face in a giant water balloon.

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She had super high blood pressure,

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and it was very clear that

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she had an aldosterone issue.

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but why would she have an

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aldosterone issue god is a

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perfect engineer if I teach

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you how to intermittent

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fast you should break down

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you know cholesterol into

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aldosterone and that should

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re-regulate unless you're

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infected and if you're

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infected guess what the

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bugs like to do they love

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to gram those enzymes they

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love to grab those hormone

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enzymes and they love to

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lock you down a cortisol pathway

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or another pathway where you

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might not make aldosterone

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and you might not be able

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to regulate your water and

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blood pressure and all that

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like this young lady so we

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had to kind of pipe around

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the problem let's say as

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you just said with you know

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pregnenolone and you know

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iron and some things to get

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her boosted back up to be

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able to make aldosterone

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but all of this falls out

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If you understand your

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master regulatory system,

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it's just a very easy thing to teach.

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You know,

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it's really easy to teach you

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around this tree and teach

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you about hormones and

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teach you about your immune system and,

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you know,

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teach you about all these other systems,

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you know, as opposed to the way that like,

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I know how you were taught

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in pharmacy school.

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And it was like, you know,

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trying to teach somebody about, you know,

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how a car works.

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Well,

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let's start with internal piston

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pressure.

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It's very important.

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And if you don't maintain

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internal piston pressure,

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then the whole thing won't work.

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And we're going to talk

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about all this complicated

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stuff instead of really

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just talking about how the system works.

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Anyway, you know,

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it's compartmentalized on purpose,

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I think.

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No, I, it is.

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And, and it's, I call it the ologist world,

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right?

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Like we, we have a, we, we,

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we incentivize it too.

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It's like,

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if the surgeon that deals with

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the right pinky finger is

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going to get all the support and,

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Now,

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there's nothing wrong with being

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specialized,

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but we're incentivizing it in our system.

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This is why, again,

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another part of the

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brokenness is our primary

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physicians and primary pharmacists,

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which are everywhere.

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There's twenty thousand

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independent community pharmacies,

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and we're the first line of approach.

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We see patients ten times

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more than the doctor every year,

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but we're not being

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utilized in these ways.

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We're being utilized to push

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the drugs and to

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if something's wrong go to

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the specialist and it's

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like well deal with the

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tree trunk before you get

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out to the the branches

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here well and even even

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pharmacists have lost the

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you know kind of drug drug

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responsibility right it

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they're you know that you

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know anytime you go to

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walgreens and pick up that

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prescription you should

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have a pharmacist standing

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behind that prescription

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that says this is safe for

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you I know everything that you're taking

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It's not going to cause any harm.

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It's not going to cause any effect.

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And boy,

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we're a long way from that anymore.

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We've commoditized it to the

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point where we've made that

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stance here to release that piece and say,

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we're going to do the well

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care and we'll do the love

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in the bottle still,

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but we're not going to do

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the pills because it's been

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so commoditized and it's

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not going to get better, right?

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Amazon's just going to drop

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it out of a drone and in

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your mouth in the next couple of years.

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And so we need to go back to that, right?

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We need to go back to the

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Hippocratic Oath and why

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we're here to help people.

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Because we're not just here

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to dispense drugs.

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We're here to help people.

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I'm an activist, right?

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And I've been an activist in

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the cannabis space.

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I wrote the law here in Oklahoma.

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I wrote the medical marijuana law.

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So I understand, let's say,

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how to make change and how to do things.

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I also understand kind of

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trends and the way the

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wind's blowing I mean you

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can't really be a activist

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leader unless you are

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pretty good at judging the

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wind let's say and so what

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I see happening and this is

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you know why I'm writing

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papers with dr simopolis

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and sending him the

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administration I see these

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walls beginning to break

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down but here's the big

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thing I think as soon as we

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allow natural products

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into the insurance system so

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when I can and again

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they're gonna have to rise

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to a certain level they're

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gonna have to be

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manufactured you know usp

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or nsf or whatever but

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there's gonna have to be

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you know stuff around what

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natural products would rise

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to the level of the drug

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But as soon as natural

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products are in the

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insurance system and drug

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system and should turmeric

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be in the health care system?

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Yes.

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Should garlic be in the

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health care system?

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Yes.

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It's the best broad spectrum

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antibiotic on the planet.

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Of course it should be right.

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When that starts happening,

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when insurance starts

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writing those checks for

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garlic and turmeric supplements, whop,

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the world will change

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because now you have to be

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educated about them.

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Now I've got to teach you

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about them in school.

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Now I can, you know,

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and I can't do that without

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teaching you about the

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endocannabinoid system.

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No, I think...

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Another great reminder why

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I've used clinical

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nutrition for outcomes for

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so many years and why it's

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so difficult to get

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patients to use them because

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it's the first question is,

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does my insurance pay for that?

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Does my insurance pay for that?

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At least we get to the place

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now where if I recommend it

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and the doctor says, yes,

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we can script it and we can

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run it through an FSA card

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or an HSA card.

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So we're getting closer to

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these spaces now.

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We're seeing like,

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you know, health, uh,

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tech and things being able

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to be used with FSA and HSA.

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But so we're in the process of that,

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but yes, you know, then it's the whole,

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well, pharma's got all the money,

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so then they're going to

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control the process.

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And then Epidiolex is like

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then my pharmacy association,

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the Board of Pharmacy here,

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tells me it's not

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permissible to sell CBD

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over the counter in a

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pharmacy because Epidiolex

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is an FDA-approved drug.

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And so you can't sell both,

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but you can go to the gas

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station to buy it, right?

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It's so backwards sometimes.

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Yeah.

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It's like...

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As a manufacturer,

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so just as a manufacturer,

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and this happened several years ago,

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but this is the struggle, let's say,

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that manufacturers or

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people who are trying to

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make these formulations

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that we think are very valuable.

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But we had the FDA come in

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and literally our inspector

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picked up one of our

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tincture bottles and she said,

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is there CBD in this product?

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And I said, yes, absolutely.

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There's CBD in this product.

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She said, do you know that

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we consider this a drug and said, yes,

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I understand you.

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And so you're putting drugs

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in your dietary supplements.

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I understand you think that,

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but we're going to give you

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a warning letter.

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The FDA can't shut you down.

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That's not what they do,

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but they can absolutely

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make it horrible for you to do business.

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And they did that to us in

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our past iteration.

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And not only us,

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This was right after the

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arena pharmaceutical deal closed.

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I don't know if you know about that,

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but Pfizer bought arena

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pharmaceutical for one

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endocannabinoid drug,

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which they've shut down.

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As soon as that deal closed,

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you had the FDA go around

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and start shutting down all

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CBD manufacturers for this reason,

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the very reason that you state.

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So, you know,

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it's those of us who are

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trying to do this are

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really doing this at risk.

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You're doing it at risk for

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your professional license.

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I'm doing it at risk, you know,

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for my business and livelihood every day.

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But we're doing it because

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we know that it's right.

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We're doing it because we know that,

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you know, God wants us to do it.

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And we know that will really

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help people with what we're doing.

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But, you know,

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thank you for what you're doing,

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because I know the risk

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you're under if you're, you know,

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selling CBDs.

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We could probably have a

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whole episode on the risk

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management and the why, right?

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It's even in the psychedelic world,

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it's even there too, right?

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It's like nothing's FDA approved,

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but people are really

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true for that I want to go

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in two different places

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because I think they're

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both important um and I

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think we'll go down the

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path of the supplements

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first um what's interesting

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is I also and whether it's

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the fda or the board of

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pharmacy questioning cbd is

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it I also ask them well you

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know that there's an fda

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approved omega-three right

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and they're like yeah it's

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called low vasa right and so

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I'm like,

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but I can sell omega-three over

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the counter.

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And they're like,

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we're not talking about that.

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We're talking about this.

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And I'm like, well,

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if you have no precedent.

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So anyway, we could digress on that.

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But let's talk about

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TruMedix because you talked

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about manufacturing.

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You talked about – I want to

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talk about how we can –

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influence ECS naturally without having to,

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let's go to the, well,

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we're divorcing a little

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bit on the cannabis where we've already,

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it's got its place.

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We know that it's really powerful, but,

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and you should go guided if

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you're going through that

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from a medical perspective, but there's,

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let's go to the ECS and how

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we naturally affect that.

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So let's talk about your

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genesis of true medics and what's,

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what's going on with that.

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Sure.

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No, that that's, this will be fun.

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So, so you would expect, you know,

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just thinking logically, right.

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That we have this master regulatory system,

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that environment would be

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the biggest impactor of

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this system and diet would

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obviously be a way to drive it.

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So we've talked about that

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with omega three, omega six.

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Well,

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it turns out there's a lot more

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detail there and a lot finer,

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let's say actions that you

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can really drill into the

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endocannabinoid system and make changes.

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And so, you know, inflammation, let's say,

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is something that is

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absolutely controlled by this omega three,

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omega six balance,

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but also your immune system.

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And you can get in the

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middle of inflammation with, you know,

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basically calming down CB

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one neuroreceptors because

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they're the guys that are

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all tweaked out.

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So how do you do that?

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CB two.

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I mean, CBD is a good way to do that.

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There's also, you know,

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turmeric is a good way to

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do that because of the

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curcumin and turmeric is a

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kind of a reverse agonist,

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let's say of CB one still

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kind of unproven.

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It's a little bit goofy,

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but that's what we think.

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There's lots of things in

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nature and there would be

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that impact our master regulatory system.

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So as you understand the

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system and you understand nature,

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Now, the interesting thing though is,

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and I kind of had this, what did I do?

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This was in twenty sixteen

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or twenty seventeen.

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I wrote a patent around

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being able to engineer

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these things from nature into effectors,

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right?

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So things that would

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mitigate inflammation.

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I can't really make that

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claim because we haven't

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proved that out yet.

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But let's say, you know,

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that was the intent was to

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mitigate inflammation.

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or to mitigate pain or to do

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things like that.

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And it turns out that you

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can engineer things from nature.

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And there's lots of things

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from nature you can

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engineer to have action at

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the endocannabinoid system to do that.

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And cannabis is a way to do that.

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It's kind of the, let's say,

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most complete plant out there to do that.

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But if you understand nature

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and you understand the

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system and you kind of

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understand pharmacology,

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there's lots of ways to do it.

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I mean,

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one of the biggest effectors of the

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endocannabinoid system,

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other than dietary fats,

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which are absolutely the

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biggest effectors,

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Drugs in the future will be

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based on omega-three fatty acids.

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There'll be analogs of

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omega-three fatty acids and

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breakdowns of omega-three

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fatty acids that we already

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make in our body, but black pepper

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black pepper because of the

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beta karyophylline in it

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yeah yeah it's one of the

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strongest modulators of the

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endocannabinoid system in

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nature um you know many

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things modulate the system

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I had this really

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interesting thought

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experience as I was

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beginning to learn about

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this and I was studying

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turmeric and curcumin and

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you know again it's unclear

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kind of what curcumin does

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but it acts like a reverse

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agonist in the system but I

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had the thought that gee

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you know would god be so cruel

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as to only allow my solution, turmeric,

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to be grown in India where

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I can't get to it, right?

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And so I had this thought

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that there has to be

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turmeric-like actions in

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natural products within

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five square miles of me if God is just.

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And it turns out that's kind of true.

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I mean,

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I might need ginger and I might

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need a couple of things.

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to build that turmeric action,

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but I can do it with stuff

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within a five square mile loop.

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So there's a lot of ways to

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impact this system.

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But again, you need a method,

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and that's kind of what my patent is,

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if you will, to attack things.

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And so if you're looking at infection,

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let's say,

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there's ways to calm down

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inflammation enough to get

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your immune system to reengage.

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But all and all of this is

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really just talking about, you know,

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getting your body to do

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what it needs to do.

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Right.

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how do we stimulate the body to

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kind of remember what it

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needs to do or fight or whatever?

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And it's all, you know,

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natural healing is what we do.

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Yeah.

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But we just have a deep

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understanding of that.

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And I think that's where I

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think some of these

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supplement companies get it

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wrong maybe or are on the

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right path is like you went

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to the place where like how

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do I affect the system and

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how do I modulate the body

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to do what it's supposed to do, right?

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That's it.

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We have that divine wisdom

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within all cells of our body.

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And I've been exploring that

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energetically and

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spiritually for a long time now.

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And I want to get into that with you.

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But let's is I feel like

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that's what makes your

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formulations different than

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what's out there today is

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you kind of have that

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centered approach to that.

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Well, they're intentional and they're,

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you know, they have, you know,

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a patent behind them,

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which means that they have

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a lot of knowledge and, you know,

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information, let's say, behind.

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it's not like we're just asking

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chat what would be the best thing for X,

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Y, Z.

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We are doing a lot of intentional work.

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And we feel like our products,

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and some of our products are, again,

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I can't really say this,

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I can't really say what products are,

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but let's just say some of

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the products are rising to

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the level of drugs.

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And as soon as I say that,

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I've got to now go file an

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IND with the FDA.

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But we certainly have things

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that are drug worthy, let's say,

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and that is our next steps will be to,

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and again, if we get funded,

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we'll do it quick.

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If we don't get funded,

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we'll do it on our own.

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but gather data,

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clinical data on everything

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that we're doing with

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diagnostic testing behind

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it and prove out basically

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these as drugs and we'll

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get them in the drug system eventually.

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That obviously goes quicker

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with help and labs and all that stuff.

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It's not cheap, guys.

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It's not cheap to do this.

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And there's very little

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because it swings the other way.

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It's like, you know,

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moving it patent and getting it there.

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Like,

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so how do people find your stuff

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right now?

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It's TrueMedX, like T-R-U-E-M-E-D-X,

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right?

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Right.

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Are you distributing in

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different places now?

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Like,

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what's the best way for people to

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dive in on that stuff?

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Because it's really

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important that we show

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people where to get the right thing.

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yeah so true true medics

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truemedx.com is where the

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supplements are one of the

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things though that we

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suggest is you know some

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kind of consult um because

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right now we're all kind of

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stabbing in the dark with

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it with this stuff and so

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we like to just you know

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talk to people maybe get a

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blood test maybe get some

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idea of diagnostically

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where they're at and that

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really helps me target and

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supplement so if you just

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came and said I had high blood pressure

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That might indicate, you know,

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infection that might

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indicate this aldosterone thing that,

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you know, we talked about some.

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So it's it depends on kind

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of what's going on.

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But we have built you know,

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we have forty something

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skews that we have kind of

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have an app for everything.

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I'm getting ready to come

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out with an ED formulation.

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I think it's going to be pretty good.

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And I'm

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The core cause of most disease,

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and we talked about this earlier,

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kind of top function or, you know,

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can you,

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is there a place where all

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disease has a common, let's say,

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and there is, I mean,

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it turns out in kind of how

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we produce energy and how

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we move electrons,

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there's a thing that we

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move electrons through,

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and this is not real well known,

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so apologies,

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but they're called iron sulfur clusters.

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And these guys get dysregulated.

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They're almost at the heart of every,

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you know, if you look at cancer and,

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you know, iron sulfur clusters,

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you're going to see they're dysregulated.

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If you look at autism,

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if you look at inflammation,

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if you look at any kind of disease,

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these guys are dysregulated.

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And there's a way to support them.

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And so we're going to come out with a,

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I don't know what we'll call it yet,

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cluster.

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I don't know what we'll call it.

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but I've been working on

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that pretty hard and

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that'll be a important

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mitochondrial and kind of

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cellular horsepower thing

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that we we come out up with

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but it'll be

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endocannabinoid system

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oriented absolutely

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Well, there's, there's a,

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there's another bread crumb

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or seed around why we

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affect the energy systems in our body,

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because it's the, again, it's where we're,

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if we look at it, this is why I've, I've,

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I've dived fully into

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energy medicine because we

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know we're energetic beings.

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We're light bodies.

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we're talking about this in the

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physical space and how we

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affect the energy body from the physical.

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But if we're working on the energy body.

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We can work on the emotional body,

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which in turn works into

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the physical body.

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They all interplay with each other.

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You're an ordained minister.

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I want to talk to you about, you know,

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you say God gave us the cures.

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So I want to dive into this

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before we kind of...

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set off into the sunset here

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because we talking about

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energy we're talking about

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uh the master systems we're

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talking about uh affecting

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signaling in the body where

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we we truly don't know the

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the intelligence where the

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intelligence comes from

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right there's an

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intelligence here that

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we're talking about and I

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know you're highly

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spiritual you're a you're

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an ordained minister um

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I call it God, universe, spirit,

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because it's Gus is how I say it.

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And I'm highly spiritual in

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my own spiritual awakening

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and how it interrelates

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with health and science.

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So talk to us a little bit

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about how you see the

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divine design showing up in

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human biology and the ECS system,

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because this is the

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intersection of science and spirit,

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right?

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Yeah.

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We always see them as polar opposites,

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but I believe it's like this.

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Yeah, no, it is absolutely like this.

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And, you know, in my mind,

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we're two things in this reality.

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So I'm an incarnated spirit

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and I'm driving this physical canister.

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If I'm if you know how much

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of my beautiful,

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wonderful incarnated spirit

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can I pour into a diseased canister?

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And, you know,

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when you look at the Bible

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and some of the things that

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are taught in the Bible, you know,

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a temple and having a pristine temple,

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I think is, you know, two-faced, right?

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It's talking about us and

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the inside of us.

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Because again,

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if I can have this temple be

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more pristine,

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I can more be here in spirit.

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And that increases my power.

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That increases, let's say,

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the ability to turn this

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temple into more of a light type function,

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right?

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Now back to the analogy of a symphony,

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okay?

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So inside of us, again,

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we work like this symphony.

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And if we really had this figured out,

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again, we'd be glowing with this music.

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We would be singing with this music.

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You could not stop the expression of us.

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I think that we're very unique things.

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If you look at the

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definition and we're just

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taught all this crap, right?

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You're taught that you're a mammal.

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um you know are you a mammal

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where you work like a

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mammal but you know your

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dog can make vitamin d in

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alaska and you can't and

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that's a pretty fundamental

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difference between you and

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a mammal you have a

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different relationship with

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the sun than most other

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things on earth do we have

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a very tight intimate

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relationship with the sun

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And we likely nutrient

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ourselves a lot more from

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the sun than we think.

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So we nutrient ourselves

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with actually that ultraviolet,

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if you will, energy.

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There's just so much there

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that Walter Russell is a

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great guy to study if

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you're interested in kind

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of how frequency works and

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how frequency moves.

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But we have energy that

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comes to us from the sun.

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Let's call those hydrogen atoms.

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As those hydrogen atoms slow down,

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as that light slows down,

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they begin to precipitate.

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They precipitate into water.

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Everything is a hydrogen atom, right?

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You may have oxygen that has

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eight protons.

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Well,

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it's just eight hydrogen atoms glued

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together.

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So everything is hydrogen.

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So everything begins to

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precipitate down from light, let's say,

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to matter.

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But there is a very elegant,

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logical way that that happens.

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Things move in, you know, twelve,

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twelve PowerPoints, let's say,

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to an octave, seven notes to an octave.

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And things move in those ways.

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They don't move in a straight line.

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They move in PowerPoints.

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The same thing happens inside of you.

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And again, you know,

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if you want hard science on this,

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Michael Levin at Tufts, awesome.

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Also,

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there's a lady named Irina Kosak that

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wrote this thing called the

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Resonant Recognition Model of Physics.

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And what it says is that you

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work both physically.

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So there's physical enzyme

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reactions and physical

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dockings of ligands and neuroreceptors.

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and all this physicality to

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you that's one end of the

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spectrum right the other

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end of the spectrum is

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complete frequency where

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all these things are

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happening in frequency not

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physically and again we can

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operate either way but for

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whatever reason we're being

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kind of forced down this

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physical you know lower

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energy sheep impulsive

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easier to control however

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you want to look at it pathway

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Well, it's just, you know,

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this is why energy medicine

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is the future of medicine

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is because everything is energy.

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Everything is frequency.

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Everything is vibration.

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Right.

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And we're just we're

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experiencing the slowest

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form of that in matter.

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Right.

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And this is why all the

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science is catching up.

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to the mystical right it was

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like we're talking about

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god and spirit but we're

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also talking about quantum

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physics and

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interrelationships between the

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grid and the matrix of of

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the quantum universe and

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how we're we're living

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multiple universes at the

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same time and all of this

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is because we're expanding

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our knowledge outside of

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that physical space

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and how do they interplay

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that's why I say it's like

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my my personal experience

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is because I've experienced

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all of it at the same time

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like in different ways with

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plant medicines and

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meditation and sound

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healing and all these things it's all

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it's all relevant in today's

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day so that's why I'm

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excited that's why I feel

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like we're in the golden

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age like we're getting out

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of the archaic space of

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just manipulating the body

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parts like we're getting

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there we're all we're in

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there right now we get to

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play in these fields which

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makes it so fun yeah um

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it's just it's just it's a

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fun place to be because we I feel like

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we've just scratched the

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surface on this stuff now.

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And it's like a whole nother

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world opened up for me at age forty nine.

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Right.

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It was like, oh, my gosh,

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I've learned I went all the

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way down functional

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medicine and all the

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mechanisms of action of of

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health and wellness.

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And it was all still just

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physical moving into the

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emotional and understanding

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how the mind can can

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can work in this space and

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opening up my own

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consciousness and then

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getting into energy.

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It's just,

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we're building all this model

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now in this true.

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This is why I feel like it's

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the ancient wisdom side.

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It's the modern science side.

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It's not one or the other it's and,

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and that's what creates true healing.

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So I just think we both

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answered our question of

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where the vision of the

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future of wellness and

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healthcare is going.

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So, um,

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As we wrap up,

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I think I could probably and

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will love to have more

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conversations with you

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because we could go on for

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another hour for sure.

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But if you could leave the audience,

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the listeners,

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with one place of wisdom to

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reclaim their health today,

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what would it be?

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Oh gosh, you work like a machine.

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You work like a beautiful, wonderful,

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godly machine, and you're programmable.

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You're programmable by your diet.

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And again,

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the AI tools right now are

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really good at this.

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No nutritionalist is taught

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about the endocannabinoid

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system unless they're self-taught.

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So they don't have the information,

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let's say, that Josh and I have.

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you know download a tool

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something like chat or

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something like that but

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begin to ask it about diet

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and the importance of you

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know hey I'm you know

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eating this stuff does it

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have the right balance of

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omega-three omega-six in it

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you know how do I get

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balanced omega-three

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omega-six but start looking

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for information and empower

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yourself because it's you

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know nobody's going to come

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save us right nobody's

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going to come save us we

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have to save ourselves we

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all have to save ourselves here

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I love that.

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And this is why we do what we do.

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This is why this podcast and

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the Wellness Center and the

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things is it's all about self-empowerment,

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right?

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We're in the driver's seat.

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This is part of that system.

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So I'm so glad you brought

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that up because we've been

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trained or entrained to believe that

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that person with the coat is

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gonna tell us what's wrong with us,

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tell us what we need to do.

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Yes, we're diagnosing and treating,

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we have labs, great,

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but we're in the driver's seat.

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When you're talking lifestyle medicine,

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nobody's going to do that for you,

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but you need a guide, right?

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And yes, I think AI has got a tool here.

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We're training it.

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to be complimentary in our

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processes so we can help

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train and educate our

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patients more so we can

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help be a guide along their

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journey to help kind of, you know,

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I always say this almost on every episode,

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like the world's best have coaches,

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but the coach doesn't play the game,

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right?

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So we have to play the game

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of our own health journey

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and use the people around

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us to empower us with the

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education so we can make that informed,

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confident decision.

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about our health and wellbeing.

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I want to give people options though.

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So you have a podcast,

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you have a community that

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talks more about this in depth.

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Let's talk to people of how

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they can find you and how

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they can follow these

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topics because they are so important.

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Sure, sure.

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So if you want to,

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my podcasts are on every platform,

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but it's just Chip Talks

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Health is the name of the podcast.

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We do have a clinic.

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We, it's, you know, a physical,

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let's say clinic where we

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do try to help people.

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So, and it's called Neighborly Wellness,

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neighborlywellness.com.

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You can find out more

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information about us.

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You know,

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if you want to book an

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appointment or something with me,

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you can do that, you know,

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at neighborlywellness.com.

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Now,

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this is something that we want to expand.

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We want to expand what we're doing,

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you know, into other places.

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And so let's say if the idea

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of what we're doing is

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interesting to people,

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then we're looking for, you know,

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people who want to, you

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open another,

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let's say neighborly wellness,

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things like that.

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So, and also we're looking for,

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we have silos of care, you know, so,

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you know,

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you think weight loss is a silo of care,

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diabetes is a silo of care.

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We have to be careful with

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what we say because we

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can't really make claims is

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where we're at now.

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but we're looking for places to put those.

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And so, you know,

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if that's of interest to you, you know,

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it's that, that might be interesting.

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And I'd love to have you on

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my podcast too.

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We're building,

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we're building our beyond

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the pills tribe too, with our,

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our model of care and

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through our stay well Institute,

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which is our, our wellness center here.

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It's budding.

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It's like Bill,

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the way I feel about this

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is it is this collective, right?

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It's this collective experience.

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We talked about that and now

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it's full circle.

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It's like,

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The cells are collective,

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and when they're happy,

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they're moving in the right direction,

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just like the flock of birds, right?

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Well,

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this is where health and healing is

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going.

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So we can collaborate and

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use our zone of geniuses to

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help each other because I

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feel the world needs

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healing and there's no competition.

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So I would love to

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collaborate with you more

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on that and help because

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I'm teaching pharmacists nationwide, too.

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Like,

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how can we bring this into their

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communities and have these

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little wellness hubs where

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we're doing this lifestyle training?

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We're doing we're getting to

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the root cause.

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And we're you know, like I said,

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this is the way to get

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people off making those

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medications are taking

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unnecessary because when you're there,

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I'm.

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necessary.

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They don't need them.

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And how do you make them unnecessary?

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Well,

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these are the tools we're talking about.

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Let's make them unnecessary

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by the things we're doing,

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not by taking another thing.

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So thank you for this session,

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this beautiful... I've learned so much.

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So I'm excited to continue

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our relationship and our

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conversations because...

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getting to the root cause

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and affecting the way the

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body can heal itself and,

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and the master regulatory systems.

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These are all so important

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in the world right now.

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And it's so,

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I'm so glad that you're doing

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what you're doing and

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you're paving the way for

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future generations to move

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on this side of it before

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they go to that other side.

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So Chip, this was awesome.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you, Josh.

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I really appreciate you

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having me and can't wait to do it again.

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This is going to be great.

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Uh,

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That's a wrap, guys.

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We could go on forever, but this one,

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I hope this gave us value

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on where we can go and

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doing the things we can do,

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empowering ourselves to do

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the best things to heal ourselves.

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So until next time, stay well.

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About the Podcast

Beyond the Pills
Where Timeless Wisdom Meets Modern Science For True Healing
In a world saturated with quick fixes and symptom-chasing, Beyond the Pills dares to ask: What if true healing starts from within?

Hosted by Josh Rimany, a conventionally trained pharmacist turned visionary in functional medicine, this podcast invites you on a journey to redefine what health really means. With over 220K global downloads, Beyond the Pills is a trusted source for those ready to move past the traditional model of medicine and step into a deeper, more empowered relationship with their mind, body, and spirit.

Each episode is a conversation that goes deeper than prescriptions—exploring the root causes of dis-ease, the power of lifestyle medicine, and the tools you need to take your health into your own hands.

Whether you're a health professional, conscious consumer, or simply someone who feels there must be more than medications, this podcast is your roadmap to vibrant, sustainable wellness.

🎙 What You’ll Hear Inside:

‣ In-depth interviews with leading experts in integrative health, biohacking, functional medicine, plant medicine, neuroscience, and more.
‣ Real-world strategies to support mental clarity, gut health, hormonal balance, immunity, and energy.
‣ Tools and tech for optimizing your health—from wearable devices to ancient healing practices.
‣ Spiritual and energetic insights to reconnect you with your body’s innate wisdom.
‣ Stories of transformation from patients and practitioners who have gone beyond the pill bottle and found lasting wellness.

Why Beyond the Pills?

Because health is not just the absence of disease—it’s a state of vitality, alignment, and intention.

Josh Rimany combines the best of both worlds: the credibility of clinical science with the soul of holistic healing. With decades of experience in pharmacy and a passion for root-cause medicine, Josh guides listeners toward a lifestyle that’s proactive, personalized, and purpose-driven.

Beyond the Pills is where ancient wisdom meets cutting-edge science, offering practical steps that anyone can take—regardless of where they are on their health journey.

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Listeners from around the world are tuning in to reclaim their health—naturally. With a U.S.-based audience made up of wellness seekers, professionals, and entrepreneurs, this show is creating a ripple effect in the health and wellness space.
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