Episode 96

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15th Sep 2025

#96: From Childhood Wounds to Financial Freedom: A New Path to Prosperity

Money Meets Soul: Hannah Chapman on Healing Your Finances and Your Future

What if your relationship with money wasn’t just about spreadsheets, investments, and retirement accounts but also about healing your inner child, rewriting old stories, and aligning with your soul’s true design? In this episode of Beyond the Pills, host Josh Rimini sits down with Hannah Chapman, a powerhouse financial strategist who is rewriting the rules of wealth. As a Certified Financial Planner, Accredited Portfolio Management Advisor, and Chartered Retirement Planning Counselor, Hannah brings nearly two decades of experience to the table. But what makes her truly unique and the reason you’ll want to lean into this conversation—is her ability to blend practical financial wisdom with deep spiritual insights like Human Design, Gene Keys, and inner child healing.

From the opening moments, you’ll realize this isn’t just another episode about money management. Hannah invites you to look beyond the numbers and into the beliefs, fears, and subconscious stories that shape your financial reality.

Hannah’s story is as remarkable as her work. After years in the traditional financial sector, she realized something was missing: the soul. She witnessed clients who were “successful on paper” but emotionally burdened, spiritually unfulfilled, or energetically blocked from experiencing true prosperity. Instead of ignoring those gaps, Hannah leaned in. She began integrating holistic frameworks that help her clients uncover the hidden patterns keeping them from expansion; not only in their bank accounts, but in their lives.

As Hannah shares in the episode:

“Money isn’t just about dollars, it’s about energy. If we don’t heal the stories we carry from childhood, we’ll keep recreating the same patterns, no matter how much we earn.”

This revelation sets the stage for a conversation that goes far deeper than wealth planning. Together, Josh and Hannah explore what happens when you align financial strategy with personal healing, spiritual growth, and authentic leadership.

The heart of this episode lies in Hannah’s ability to connect the dots between personal transformation and financial freedom. You’ll hear about:

  • Human Design & Gene Keys in Finance – Why understanding your energetic blueprint can change the way you approach money, decision-making, and even business growth.
  • Inner Child Healing – How old stories around scarcity, safety, and self-worth show up in your adult financial life—and what you can do to rewrite them.
  • Expansive CEO Mindset – Why Hannah founded her company, Expansive CEO, to help entrepreneurs lead with both strategy and soul.


In one of the most powerful moments, Hannah reflects:


“The things we hide from in our money are the very things that need our attention most. When you finally face them, that’s when real freedom begins.”


This episode doesn’t shy away from the tough stuff like fear of failure, shame around debt, or the anxiety that comes with success. Instead, Hannah and Josh open the door to new possibilities, reminding us that financial health is inseparable from emotional and spiritual well-being.


And here’s where it gets really exciting: Hannah shares practical strategies you can apply today. Whether it’s re-evaluating your investments, noticing how your body reacts to financial decisions, or creating new affirmations for abundance, you’ll walk away with tools that bridge the gap between strategy and spirit.


As Hannah beautifully puts it:


“When you bring the practical and the profound together, you stop living in survival mode and start living in expansion.”


This episode is for anyone who has ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or disconnected in their relationship with money. If you’ve been craving a new perspective, one that honors both your financial goals and your soul’s calling; this conversation with Hannah Chapman is your invitation.


👉 Listen now to learn how to heal your relationship with money, align with your soul’s design, and step into true prosperity.


And if Hannah’s message resonates, don’t just stop at listening. Take action:



The future of finance isn’t just about returns, it’s about returning to yourself.

Transcript
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Welcome, welcome back to Beyond the Pills,

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the podcast where we explore healing,

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transformation,

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and the intersection of body, mind,

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and spirit.

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I'm Josh Rimini, your host,

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pharmacist turned healer.

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And today we have a nice special guest.

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She's a powerhouse and a

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guide in both the financial

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strategy world and the

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soulful prosperity world.

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Hannah Chapman is a

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certified financial planner,

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an accredited portfolio

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management advisor,

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and a chartered retirement

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planning counselor.

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Those are a lot of letters.

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But with over eighteen years

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of experience in the financial sector,

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she's the founder of X

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Squared Wealth Planning and

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the expansive CEO.

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But why Hannah's here today

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on Beyond the Pills and

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what sets her apart?

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I'm excited to bring this

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one out is how she blends

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practical with the profound

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in other words through

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financial planning she uses

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human design and gene keys

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and if you're familiar with

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those they're very

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different for financial

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planners to use and and the

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inner child healing uh to

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help visionary entrepreneurs leaders uh

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to rewrite their money

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stories and redefine prosperity.

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So her mission is to help

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people save wisely, spend joyfully,

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and support causes that

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matter the most to them

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generously and sustainably.

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So today we're going to

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explore what it means to

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embody both strategy and soul with money.

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the emotional and spiritual

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layers of prosperity,

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and how to step into

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overflow so we can give freely,

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and how money, just like wellness,

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is deeply intertwined with healing.

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I'm excited to bring this to the table.

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This is a heart-centered

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conversation with a really

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cool person and a financial twist,

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so let's dive in.

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Welcome, Hannah.

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This is amazing.

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Hi, Josh, I'm so excited to be here.

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And I just, I loved our conversation.

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We've had multiple conversations already.

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And each one we've just have

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gotten to dive in deeper and deeper.

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And I'm excited.

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Yeah,

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I recently was on your podcast and

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talking about like the stuff that we do.

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So it's like it's mutual beautiful thing.

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So

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Let's dive in.

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My question is,

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what first inspired your

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journey into financial planning?

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And more importantly,

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when did it start taking

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that more holistic turn?

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Oh, it's such a good question.

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So I like to kind of go back

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to the beginning when I

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answer this question because my family,

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my parents were entrepreneurs.

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They were business owners,

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but they were kind of like

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what I would like to call

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blue collar business owners.

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They owned a painting,

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a repainting business in the Phoenix,

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Arizona area.

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so that means they painted

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people's homes inside

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outside and you know I mean

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it literally gets to a

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hundred and twenty degrees

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here in phoenix um in the

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summer times this is hard

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work it's very hard taxing

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work that they were doing

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um and all throughout my

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family so literally both

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sides you know bar owners

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automotive shop owners

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other painting contractors

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uh just hard-working business owners

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Blue crawler grit going.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And so when I mean,

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and my parents started the

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painting business when I

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was two or three.

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And why does this matter?

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When I was growing up in

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that really critical time,

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especially like zero to seven, I

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That's when we really

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internalize a lot of our

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stories about safety, stability,

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what money and security actually mean.

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That is really formed from

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age zero to seven developmentally.

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And the story and the

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experience that I had

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during that time was that

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money was really hard to make.

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It was hard to hold on to

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and that we didn't have enough.

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And

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The reason I go back to that

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point in time is because

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that experience as a small

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child catapulted me into

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being the way I

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internalized that was

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different from my brothers.

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I have three brothers.

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And what I did was I saved

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literally every penny that I ever got.

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So birthday money,

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we would get money for if

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we got A's in school,

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we got a little bit of money for grades,

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that kind of thing.

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Any money that I received, I saved.

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And I would hold and hoard

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because we didn't have enough.

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And so I was the little squirrel.

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My favorite thing to do as a

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small child was to dump out

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any change we had.

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You remember the big crayons?

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I think we had a big crayon

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and we had a five-gallon

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water jug and roll pennies.

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it was like it was soothing

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it was soothing to me to to

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count money and to roll it

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up and to like have it and

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hold it and and see it and

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when I was little my two

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dream jobs one was to be a

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teacher and the other was

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to be a bank teller those

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were if you asked me when I

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was you know like between

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five and ten years old

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those were my dreams um

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And then fast forward to college.

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I actually got a degree in

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flute performance.

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I went for music education originally.

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So I was on that track to be a teacher.

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Realized that I did not want

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to be in the public school

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system whatsoever.

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I did not want to ever have

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to teach a child how to

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play the violin because

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that was not my thing.

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That's what music teachers

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have to do very often.

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Teach what they're not good at.

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And I was like, nope,

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don't want to do that.

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Switch to a performance degree.

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And then my first job out of

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college was working at a small bank.

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So, you know, bank teller,

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dream job from when I was little, right?

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I got to count people's money.

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I got to help them open accounts.

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And what I realized

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immediately when I started

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working at that bank was I

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loved working with business owners.

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I loved helping them.

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Their situations were more complicated.

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We saw them a whole bunch.

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They would do their drops every day.

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And it was so fun to me to

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get to know the customers

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and to get to be a part of

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their business.

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And then my husband got into grad school.

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This was right after college.

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My husband got into grad

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school in a different state.

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And so we moved.

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And at that point,

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that was when I actually

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moved into financial planning.

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And part of it was because I

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just none of the banks

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would call me back.

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I couldn't get an interview.

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Who knows why?

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Like, truly,

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it's probably just fate at this point,

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because this is clearly

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where like this is where

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I'm supposed to be.

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So at that time, it was like, nope,

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you're not you're not going

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to go work at Fifth Third or PNC.

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You're going to go work at Ameriprise.

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You're going to be a financial advisor.

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You're going to figure it out.

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So that was, you know,

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when I was twenty three.

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I moved over to financial services,

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you know,

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proper financial services rather

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than banking, got fully licensed,

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all the things that I needed to do and.

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did not make it through that

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first process of you had to

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have five clients in twelve

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weeks in order to stay as

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an advisor on the platform.

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And I found out that I was really good.

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There's some human design

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reasons for this that I can weave into,

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which is super interesting.

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But I was able to get one new client.

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It was my mom.

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So thank you, mom.

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She was my first and only

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client in that first five weeks.

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And other than that,

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I got a lot of meetings.

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I talked to a lot of people,

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but nothing was converting.

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Nothing was turning into like, okay,

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we can keep moving forward.

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And what I ended up doing

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after that first stretch,

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which was a lot of professional trauma,

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truly,

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but what it got me to was being a

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financial planning

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associate for a large practice.

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And at that point,

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so that was in two thousand eight.

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Two thousand seven is when I started.

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Two thousand eight is when I

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moved to this other practice.

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And I was there for almost

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thirteen years learning, deepening,

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learning literally

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everything I could about

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financial planning, helping tons,

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hundreds and thousands of

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different clients.

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And it really created the

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foundation for me to

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understand the industry,

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understand how to do financial planning,

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understanding all the

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pieces that mattered.

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But what it didn't teach me

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was how important the

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emotional side of money was.

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That was not a thing.

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So what we would do,

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we would do all these beautiful plans.

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We would present them to the

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clients and would notice is that like, oh,

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there are a lot of clients

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who can't implement these

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recommendations.

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So then you like meet with

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them six months later or

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one year later and they

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haven't done hardly anything.

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Like why not?

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Or they'll start to

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implement things and then

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everything falls apart and

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they don't know how to get back on track.

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Right.

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So there were like these

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things happening that I was like, what's,

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it's not working.

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Why isn't it working?

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Um, and when I shifted,

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when I moved away from the

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practice I was with, when I launched, uh,

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X squared wealth planning back in

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That's when I feel like I

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cracked the code of knowing.

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And I knew this before.

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I knew that I was really

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good at building relationships.

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I knew that I was a safe space.

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People would come into my

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office and cry all the time.

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It was a safe place for them

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to actually express what

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they were worried about,

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what their fears were.

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And they hadn't ever had

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that experience before with

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an advisor of being able to truly be seen,

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truly ask questions,

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truly be listened to.

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And so I knew that that was important.

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I knew that that was needed.

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And it was when I really

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dove into it on my own that

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I got to really understand

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how important the emotional aspect,

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the emotional connection we

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have with money is,

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and to almost start the

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conversation from there rather than

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just what do you have what

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do you want to create how

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do we how do you save

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enough dollars every month

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to get there like that is

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so basic it is so not

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helpful when that's all you

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do well it's the analytical

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side right it's like there's the

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I just had this thought, right?

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This thought was,

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that's what I do with

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wellness with people.

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It's like, if you want to lose weight,

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you could give them a

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weight loss program.

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It's easy.

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It's just not hard.

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It's analytical.

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I can reverse diabetes in

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most people in ten weeks.

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Like, it's not difficult.

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But that emotional

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relationship with food is

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the preventer for all of it to happen.

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And I'm just thinking of...

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Some of my experiences with

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the financial people and in

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that cold analytical only

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perspective is what you get.

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It's like,

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how much do you want when you retire?

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What's your living arrangement today?

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What would you like it to be?

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It's like all these little

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checkboxes and then you got

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to do this and you have to

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invest this and whatever.

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Then there's the question of

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what's your tolerance to risk, right?

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Which is really asking

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what's your emotional tie

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to the ups and downs.

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But more importantly, what you were saying,

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it's like, I just equated the same thing.

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It's like,

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I can't work with a patient

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until I go upstream.

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If I go upstream to the energetics,

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and the emotional components

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of these things,

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everything else seems to fall downhill.

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So I love that you like,

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I still have to know though,

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like when did you like think like, oh,

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I'm a people person,

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I can connect with humans,

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but I'm also working in this space.

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Cause it was, I have an inkling,

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but very similar to my,

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My journey in pharmacy,

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it's like I'm a pharmacist,

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but I don't think this is

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like everything here.

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Like I got to go wellness.

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Why are you on the medicine?

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Can we get you off of it?

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And I started thinking and

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looping in these different

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ways that my industry was like,

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we don't do that.

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So I want to know where did

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the aha come from?

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You said you did you first, right?

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You were working through that process.

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Share with people a little

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bit of how that unfolded.

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I think this is a super

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pivotal component of how and what you do.

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Oh, yes.

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Oh, yes.

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I have so many thoughts

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around what this actually is,

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but a big piece of it,

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a big piece of my transformation,

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a big piece of why I left

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my old firm in the first

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place without going into

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that entire story, my higher self.

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was basically screaming at me.

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At that time, I was on antidepressant,

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anti-anxiety medication

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just to literally get through the days.

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I felt so much anxiety.

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I was masking so hard just to be

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acceptable to that practice to be,

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you know, one of the guys, basically,

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I was the only woman in all

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of the advisors, right?

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We had like, ten advisors,

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I was the one woman.

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So you'd have, you know,

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when they would do their promo materials,

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I'm like, standing right in the middle,

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of course, right?

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Look, we have a girl on our team.

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And

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I knew that that wasn't right for me.

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I knew that the medication was temporary,

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that I was just going

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through a patch of time that was hard.

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In twenty twenty,

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like May of twenty twenty

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was basically the final

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straw of knowing that I had

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to leave that practice

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because my higher self said they well,

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it said, you don't know who I am.

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Talking to these other advisors.

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And I didn't say that out loud,

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but that it was like

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screaming from inside of me.

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That they don't know who you are.

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And I was like, well, okay,

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I don't know exactly who I am yet,

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but I know it's not this.

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And I also know that I meant,

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I had that deep,

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deep knowing that I know I

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meant to help people in

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this realm of finance,

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which is really difficult to talk about.

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People are scared to talk

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about their finances.

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People are guarded about their finances.

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And I have the soft heart.

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I have the ability to

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connect with them here.

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And I know that that's important.

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And I know I'm not able to

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actually be myself in this practice,

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right?

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So there was that first piece of like,

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you don't know who I am.

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And I know that I'm supposed

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to be in this industry,

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but it's not here.

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It's not in this place.

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And then when I left, when I,

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when I launched X squared

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in twenty twenty one,

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I went through the most.

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Potent, powerful.

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Like portal of.

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Deep emotional change that

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I've ever gone through.

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So when people say that

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entrepreneurship is is a

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spiritual journey, one hundred percent.

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I had the most profound experiences of.

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like digging deep within myself,

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seeing all of my shadows,

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seeing where I was frigging terrified of,

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you know, calling people,

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of putting myself out there,

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of being rejected, of, you know,

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feeling not good enough.

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I had to like look that

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square in the eyes and

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And there would be days

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where I would have to

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literally scream into a pillow,

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shake everything out of my body,

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and then get on a Zoom call and be fine.

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And it was over and over again.

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And what I know, what I

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What I found, rather,

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from especially those first two years,

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I hired a business coach

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because I thought that I

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needed someone to tell me

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exactly how to do things so

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I wouldn't make any mistakes.

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Like, okay, she can help me.

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We all hire coaches, right?

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Right.

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Give me their faster, quicker,

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and tell me what to do.

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right so I don't mess it up

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so I can get back to you

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know like replacing my

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salary as fast as possible

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give me the strategies give

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me the techniques and my

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brain saw that she was a

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successful lawyer she

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created she you know

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created her own law firm

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starting a financial firm

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is very similar like she

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can help me do this what I

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didn't know until later was

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that it was actually my

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heart that connected with her heart

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because she had done very

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deep inner child healing

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work and hindsight being, right.

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It's like,

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that is actually what I needed

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was the inner child healing,

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like learning how to love

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and support my inner child

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through this process of,

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of becoming who I was meant

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to be because my inner

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child was fricking scared.

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She was terrified.

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And because the way I was safe,

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the way I received love

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from my perspective was

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that I was the perfect child.

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I was the golden child.

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I didn't make mistakes.

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I made sure everyone else

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was safe so that I had a

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very angry dad and I didn't

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ever want that to be blasted on me.

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So how do you prevent an angry dad from

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pushing that on you,

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you don't make mistakes as

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much as possible.

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And she had gone through,

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my coach had gone through

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the exact same thing as a little girl.

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And so the inner child

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healing piece was really

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the focus of those first couple of years.

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what's funny also when I

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look back is that I also

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discovered human design in

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that first year as well in, in,

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and so I was diving head first.

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So everything else I was doing, right.

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I was, I was building my business,

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but I was also like every

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spare minute I had,

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I was like reading and researching and,

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and couldn't get enough

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because while I was healing

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my inner child,

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on the one hand,

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the other side of learning

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my human design was like,

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this is who you were always meant to be.

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This is who you are.

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And it just tears constantly.

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I would read something and

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it would be like, oh my God,

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that's what I've always felt.

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And I always thought it was wrong.

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And so there was this level

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of self-acceptance and

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self-love that I was cultivating through,

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especially through those first two years.

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that has been so essential

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to literally everything

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else I've done since then.

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And I mean,

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to be also like fully transparent,

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I replaced my income that I

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had been earning from my old firm.

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I replaced it within like

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six months and all by myself.

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And it was like, I can do this.

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And I can do it in a way

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that honors my inner child

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that honors my gifts.

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And in a way that I can then, you know,

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help like that was the thing was like,

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we need like everyone,

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everyone needs this,

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this level of emotional

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reflection and healing

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because that's what makes

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the big difference.

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That's what really changes

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how our trajectory of going forward.

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So yeah, the,

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being able to create the

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space for myself to go

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through this healing work

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while building my business

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it was a lot I'm not gonna

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lie it was hard it was a

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lot um but absolutely laid

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the groundwork for

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everything else I think

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there's it's beautiful it's

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a beautiful story because the

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It's kind of that's that's

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in all my conversations in

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especially in this podcast.

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It's like that's the formula.

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The formula isn't it has to be hard,

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but it's the only way forward is through.

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Right.

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You're moving through those pieces.

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And as you're healing yourself,

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you're building your business.

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And then.

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that light bulb clicks on and says,

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maybe this is what I need

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to do for other people, right?

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It's the healers of the world.

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Some people are okay.

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They heal themselves.

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They go on in their business.

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They do their thing, right?

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And then there's some people like you,

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like me,

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who it's that wounded healer's journey,

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right?

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We're bringing ourselves through healing.

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We get to a certain, not like

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Excellent.

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It's just, you move through the process,

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but then there's something there.

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It's compelling you to work

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with others in the same way.

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And of course you can't just,

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you can't do you and like

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learn gene keys and human design and go,

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okay, let's go do that with you now.

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It's like, no,

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you gotta have some experience.

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So we understand this, right?

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You don't become a financial

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certified planner.

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just because you like money, right?

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Like you got to go through

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the experience of the training.

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And I think a lot of

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wellness and healing

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modalities is there's a

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little bit of discovery in that process.

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Cause I'm a pharmacist, but they don't,

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you don't go to healer school, right?

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You just,

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you figure some things out and

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then through your own process,

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like I love the shamanic

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work and all those other

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things that I've learned

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over the past years, because

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It is part of me.

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And then I've done sort of

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that same places.

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Like I went back in my human design.

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I went back in and I went

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deep diving because Gene

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Keys are a little more analytical,

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a little more me.

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And so I want to talk a

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little bit about that

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because as soon as you were

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introduced to me in that respect,

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I was like,

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I need to meet this person

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because she's putting two

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things that I've never seen together.

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And so you formed your business around it.

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I want to talk a little bit

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about the Gene Keys and the

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emotional component.

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And I want to plant the seed question.

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We can answer it throughout this process.

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But where in your process

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with clients do you

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expressively introduce this?

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Because sometimes it's like

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you sell them what they want,

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give them what they need.

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And sometimes there's a

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little bit of both at the same time.

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Like, are you in front of them?

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Like, Hey,

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we're going to work on your

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emotional relationship with,

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with money because it is a big part.

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Or is it like,

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do they get that through

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your experience with them?

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And maybe it's a little both.

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Yeah.

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And there's, so I have a,

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I definitely have a, um,

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different approach now than

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I would say a lot of what

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traditional marketers really push,

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which is the sell them what they want,

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give them what they need.

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To me,

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that feels like there's just not

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transparency in that.

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So for me, that feels out of integrity.

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And, um, this, the, the process,

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the journey that I've been on, um,

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especially over these last five years, uh,

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as of this recording anyway, have,

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has really been one of

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coming more and more into

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integrity with myself.

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Yes.

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And,

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and knowing that when I am in full

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integrity and someone can come, you

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then they can make a very informed,

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logical and energetic

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choice about if this is,

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if this is where they're at,

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rather than being the person that's like,

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I'm going to,

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I'm going to tell you that

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this is how it's going to work.

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And then we're going to do a

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little bit of a bait and switch.

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And I'm going to give you, you know,

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what I think you need.

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I think that, I think that's,

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there's the inherent,

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there's an inherent dishonesty in that,

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that doesn't feel,

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doesn't feel good to me.

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And it's good way supersedes

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like the fiduciary responsibilities.

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Right.

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And I think that's what I,

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I kind of feel the same way

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if I'm in my full

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authenticity and I'm going,

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because then I'm going to

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attract the people that are

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going to work with me.

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It's natural.

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It's more easy.

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Remember we talked about being hard,

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right?

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My whole life is like, same thing.

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It's like, you work hard.

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There's never enough money in money out.

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No matter what,

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we're always in a scarcity

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mindset because that's how I grew up.

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My mom worked three jobs to

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keep a roof over our heads.

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There was no extra.

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And so I learned through my

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programming the same things.

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And so I'm in the process of

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redefining my definition of

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abundance and prosperity

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because I don't have this beautiful

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You know, money's easy.

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I know entrepreneurs,

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it's like they can just

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print it with like a wink.

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They're like, oh,

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I just made another million.

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It's like,

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I don't even understand what that means.

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You know, it's like some of those things.

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So you worked your own gene

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keys in human design and it

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just naturally fell into this place.

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And now you're thinking like,

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maybe I should use this thing or...

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How'd it go?

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Yeah, not quite.

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And you bring up such a good point.

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And I wanted to circle back to that too,

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is that again,

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that programming I had of

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money is hard to hold on.

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It's hard to make.

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It's hard to hold on to.

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There's not enough.

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That programming lent itself

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really well to me being like,

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everyone should save everything.

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right?

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Like that was,

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that was made perfect sense

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for a financial planner.

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It's like, oh, I know how to save money,

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but it's also really hard

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to make and really hard to hold on to.

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And we don't have enough.

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And that was absolutely the story of,

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for my, my husband and I,

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of our early marriage too, right?

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Like money was scary.

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And so I have not only have I

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been through that, grew up with that,

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been through that.

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But healing those pieces,

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healing that aspect of my

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relationship with money,

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knowing that money is everywhere.

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Opportunity is everywhere.

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I don't have to chase opportunity.

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I magnetize opportunity.

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I just get to be me and the

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people who are meant to

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come to me will come.

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And I can know that deeply,

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deeply in my knowing now, which is so,

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so different from where I started.

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Even launching my business, all of that,

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there was so much fear

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around if that was going to be true,

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if I would be able to find

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enough clients for it to be okay.

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I trusted and I worked hard,

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but it wasn't until I...

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I stopped holding back on

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the things that I knew to

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be true until I started

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expressing the things that

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I was actually a little bit

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scared to express.

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And I'll get to that and do like,

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what does that mean in just a second?

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But that is when,

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so that was actually in twenty,

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twenty three.

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That was when like

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everything shifted and it was like, oh,

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that was the easy button.

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I found it.

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It was crazy.

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And it had a lot to do with

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human design because like I said,

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I discovered it first for

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myself in like March,

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I think of twenty twenty

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one dove in headfirst.

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Couldn't get enough.

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Learned about me.

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I'm a six to manifesting

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generator with sacral authority.

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So if you are not familiar

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with human design you can

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actually even just go to my

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one of my websites and and print your own

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chart and find out what you are.

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But that's me.

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So I'm a manifesting

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generator with sacral authority.

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And I started practicing

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that and learning what that meant for me.

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And then I learned about my husband.

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And then I learned about my children.

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And again, mind blown all over the place.

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I'm like, okay,

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this is making such a

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difference for me in my

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life that I couldn't help

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but want to start to

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introduce it to some of my clients.

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But like you said, this is not normal.

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not normal at all I was so

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scared just starts throwing

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woo at their their clients

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you know it's like who who

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are you where are you going

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yeah right yeah I mean and

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it's astrology based right

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astrology is part of it so

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I need your birth date your

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birth time and your

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birthplace and you know as

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soon as you start asking

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people that they're like

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what is this what's happening right here

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Um, but I had a few clients because again,

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because I was talking about

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the emotional connection we

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have to money.

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So I was all,

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I was already attracting very

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heart centered people who cared about,

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you know, this connection.

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So I knew I had some safe people.

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and people who are into

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astrology and people who are into other,

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you know, healing modalities.

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So those, those people,

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I started like introducing

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these ideas and we started

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working on it and they were all about it.

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Right.

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And like, yes.

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And so I had the experience

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of for like almost two years of,

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helping my clients,

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like adding these things in.

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One of the biggest pieces,

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I'll just like drop this here,

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is understanding your authority,

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understanding what that

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means is your

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decision-making authority in human design,

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how you make the most

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aligned decisions for you

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so that you're not

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you know,

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making decisions and then

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regretting them immediately

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or skipping an opportunity

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and then regretting that, right?

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Like how do you tap into

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your internal knowing to

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make the best decisions for

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you on the financial side?

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We are always making

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financial decisions every single day,

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especially as business owners.

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And so when we bring that

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into the process and

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That alone shifts so many

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things just to understand your authority.

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Um,

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and so as I was doing this and as I was

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seeing results and as I was

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seeing things shift for my client,

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for myself and for my clients,

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it just became like so, so clear.

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Um,

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And I was in a mastermind at the time,

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a small mastermind where, you know,

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everyone was super into it as well.

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And so I got to practice

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there of like when we would

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mastermind on different topics,

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I would kind of be the voice of like, OK,

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here's what you're here's

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what's in your human design.

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Like, what does this look like?

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What does this mean?

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So when you're talking about

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that intuitive hit of like, OK, like,

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here's what you're saying

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and here's what I'm seeing in your chart.

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how does this feel?

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What comes up?

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So I was practicing and practice,

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but I was doing it all behind a curtain.

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I wasn't telling anyone, right?

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All of my front facing

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marketing was still the

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emotional connection we

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have to our money.

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And I it was like,

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it was like burning on my heart,

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that I needed to share

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these other aspects of human design,

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along with the financial side.

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And

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I, oh my God,

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so many stories running

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through my head of like how

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that was not going to be okay.

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How my clients were going to leave,

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how they were going to think I was crazy,

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how I was going to be like,

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how I would be perceived by

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my colleagues.

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And I had to get to the point of like,

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oh, well, whatever.

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It's more important for me

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to express this part of my

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personality than it is for

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me to keep up a facade.

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I need to come into integrity with

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what I'm actually doing in my practice,

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I need to actually let people know.

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And so- Well, it's that bit center, right?

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It's that speak truth.

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It's the T, capital T truth, right?

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We're in such alignment

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because it's the same thing for me.

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It's like the pharmacist,

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he's talking about wellness.

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Am I going to be perceived

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as a quack in my own industry?

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It's like,

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you're talking about getting off

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medicine.

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What's wrong with you?

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Like all those stories in your head,

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you know?

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And then I think right

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around that same time,

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like last couple of years, especially,

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I just gave it all up.

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I said, you know what?

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I'm just going all in.

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That doesn't mean I'm wrong or right.

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It just means I'm going to

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align with the people

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that resonate with what my message is.

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The podcast, the, you know,

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getting on the stages and

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not really giving a crap

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about what other people think,

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but in a positive light,

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not in a negative light.

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Because sometimes you can

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get negative with this, right?

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It's the anti-whatever, right?

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Right, yeah, the rebellion.

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When I went through that process,

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and it's everyone's journey, right?

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It's everyone's evolution to

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move through those stages.

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And so I did this,

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same thing and I looked at

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my human design after the

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fact of some of these

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growth things and I've had

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some massive like ahas

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going oh my god like

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literally I was at the

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moment in time of like

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chiron returns like eight

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like the actual date and I

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I looked back almost a year

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later and I realized that

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was the date and I looked

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back where I was and it was

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like in my pivotal space of

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my complete journey I took

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was like holy shit it's the

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actual date I was in costa

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rica on a retreat

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writing in my journal like

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my path to self like going

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through this whole thing

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and I was like no way like

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but it happened after the

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facts it was totally

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verified which is where I

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think people get a little

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weird with like the

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astrology and where you are

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in the planet and the

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universe when you're born

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and how it affects your soul print

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So I always, when I work with it,

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mostly with me,

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family and everything is like,

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and I've started to use it

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as well into my programming.

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It's just really looking at

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the same thing with people.

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It's like, take a look at it.

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If it resonates with you and you know,

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and that's it.

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It's not like you're

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convincing anybody of it.

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It's just, that's what it is.

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And when you see it for what it really is,

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it becomes part of your life.

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awareness,

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part of your contemplation of

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what and why things are

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actually doing the things

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they're doing for you.

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Cause like you said,

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I love that part you said is like the,

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the unfolding happens when

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you're in alignment, your,

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your clients come and they, you're a,

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what'd you say?

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I'm a magnet to, to,

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to where I need to be.

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And so.

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Talk to people a little talk

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like you can use me as an

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example if you want.

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I'm an open book.

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I sent you my stuff like

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we're we're in this emotional,

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spiritual connection of

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finance or money or

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prosperity or my version of

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abundance because money is

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really just energy.

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Right.

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Look at it.

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And it's for me,

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money is a means to something else.

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Right.

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It's a means to an

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experience mostly for me.

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Like I don't have I don't

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want to I don't want to be

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I don't want to end this

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existence in this incarnation.

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I don't care how much is in the bank.

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I want to know that I made that money.

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And like you said,

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I want to be able to give generously,

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sustainably with joy.

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I want to have experiences

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with my children.

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Like it's not the hoarding of,

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I have this dollar amount, this figure,

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this exit thing, right?

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Like none of that matters to me anymore.

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Maybe it's probably because

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of my journey and my growth, but for me,

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It's really money is a means

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to something else,

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a means to the experience of life.

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And so talk us through some of this,

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how you work people through

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healing these things so

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they can work through their own goals,

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because everyone has their

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own goals with money, prosperity,

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abundance, right?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And you speak to something that is so,

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so important is that money is energy.

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Money is flow.

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I believe that one hundred percent.

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And I also understand that

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money is how we currently in our world,

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in the United States and

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elsewhere in the world,

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that is how we buy our food.

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That is how we pay for our shelter.

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That is like,

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there is an important role

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that money plays in our three D world.

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And money is also energy.

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It's an energetic flow that

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we can squeeze off and push away,

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or we can open up and receive.

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And one of the,

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one of the really important

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things that I do in my process.

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So let's take, let's take X squared.

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For example,

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when I'm doing financial

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planning with a client, how do I,

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how do I incorporate all of this?

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I mean, it's like,

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that's the main question that I,

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that I get is like, how do you do that?

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Well,

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a big piece of it is that we do go

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through kind of a

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traditional financial

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planning process and,

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in some ways,

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but what's different about it

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is that each step of the process,

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I'm actually like meeting with my clients,

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usually on Zoom, and taking in,

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like everything is like an interview.

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Because as we're talking about your goals,

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as we're talking about

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where you're at right now,

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as we're talking about what

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you're spending, there's the data,

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there's the information you're giving me,

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but then there's also

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everything else that you're

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saying that you're not speaking.

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So I'm listening.

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I'm listening with my whole body.

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I'm listening to what you're saying.

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I'm taking down those notes.

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We're putting in the data.

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But I am also feeling how

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you feel about what you're expressing.

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I'm also gathering other

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data about energetically

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how you are presenting yourself.

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your relationship with money, right?

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So I'm getting so much more

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information than just,

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this is how much we spend each month,

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this is how much the

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business makes each month.

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And that's the real key difference.

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And so then when we bring in

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the human design aspects

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that are important,

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I feel like they're all

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important in some ways, but then like,

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you know,

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we have like the maybe five or

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six keynotes that we'll go over.

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I've already gleaned quite a

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bit of information from my

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clients that we can then say, okay,

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this is, this is your authority.

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This is how you make decisions.

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And can you see, you know, like,

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what are some ways that

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that's happened or not happened?

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Or how, how has that felt in your life?

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And this is,

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you're a manifesting generator

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or you're a projector,

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and this is how your aura

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works mechanically in quantum mechanics.

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How,

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how have you seen that play out in

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your life?

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right?

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And I've already,

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it's not that I have all the answers,

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but I have a lot of

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information just from the

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fact that I spend time with

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my clients gleaning, listening, again,

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listening with my whole body,

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not just listening with my ears.

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And so what that does,

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what that allows people to then do is to

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express things that they've

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never expressed before with anyone else,

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have conversations with me

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as a financial advisor that

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they've never even maybe had.

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I'm not a therapist.

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I'm not trained that way.

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So I'm not claiming anything

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in that regard,

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but emotional conversations

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that they have never even

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had with a therapist or

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with their spouse or with anyone.

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Because money is actually tied.

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Our sense of safety and

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security in this world is

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tied to our money right now

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in the way the world works.

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And so to ignore that fact,

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when financial planners are just like,

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hey, this is how much you need,

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this is how much you save,

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and you'll be fine.

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Why aren't you doing it?

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I told you how to get there.

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Why can't you just do it?

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Like you're ignoring

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everything else that this

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person is telling you about

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their experience of life.

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Well,

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it feels so good because you could

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place what you just said in

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many dynamics of industries, financial,

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government.

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For my industry, like health care,

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wellness is when you take time to listen,

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really listen with your whole heart.

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you see things differently, right?

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You're not here.

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You're here and here, right?

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There's always this stuff to do here.

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We need to get these things done.

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But if you ignore all those

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other things or you're not listening,

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listening, it just,

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I can't tell you how many

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times my first appointment

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with most people is like an hour or two.

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And they're like, I,

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just the fact that I'm

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listening to their story

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for that period of time where I'm not,

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know on a phone or an ipad

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jotting notes like none of

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that like I'm literally in

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the intently listening one

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you're right you get all

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this information out and

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you can ask questions not

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to get answers but to ask

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questions to give them more

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insight about that because

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that's the root root cause

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of prosperity or health or

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healing or whatever

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bucket you put that in is

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when you get down deeper

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without having to

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re-traumatize right you

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actually get your job done

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faster they get their

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outcomes quicker it's like

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the part that the

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intangibles of our most

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people today right they

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want whatever they want but

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then if you dig a little

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deeper and they kind of go

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in with you then

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it makes all the difference

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in the world to me.

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And I love how you,

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I just love how you've done

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this in this way because it's so,

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it's so encouraging for me

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because you don't see this

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in these sectors in the norm.

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And I feel like this is

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where humanity really is moving.

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We're moving to be intuitive healers,

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intuitive financial planners,

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intuitive healthcare workers.

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Because the AI component is easy.

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AI is going to figure out

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the analytical faster, easier, quicker.

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There's a part there, right?

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It's not going to replace us.

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The human component,

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the human equation is we're

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still relearning what we forgot,

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which is getting into that space.

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And how cool is it that you

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got there in this way?

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Because that is how,

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this is what we talked about earlier.

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It's like, it's both.

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It's not this, it's not this, it's both.

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I do this, you do this.

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And this is where we are

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moving with not just our profession,

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but how we interact and relate.

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And I love that.

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It's just a beautiful thing.

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I wanted to pause to honor it,

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but to also just like,

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how cool, how cool is that?

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Where you can go to these

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places where there are

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people moving and bridging the gaps here.

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This wasn't, and I just like,

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I've been on these podcasts

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and these stories and seminars, like,

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fuck, ten to twenty years from now,

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this is the norm, right?

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Oh my gosh.

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This is what we're doing.

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Yes.

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Absolutely.

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And it's really freaking hard, because

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guess what?

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You're,

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you're one of the pioneers in this

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space and you don't have a

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lot to relate to.

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And a lot of people don't understand it.

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So I'm,

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I expect and probably understand

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like you're sometimes it's,

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it's a difficult client journey too,

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because there's a process

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of discovery in all of this as well.

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That's, I mean, oh my gosh.

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Um,

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That's the whole part of it

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that I had to trust, though,

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is that the people who are

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ready will find me.

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The people who are meant for

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me will be there.

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That was,

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and another big piece of the

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financial industry right

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now is this is like the

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overarching scarcity, right?

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That there's not enough that

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we have to help you figure

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out how to have enough.

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that you have to hit a

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certain number and then you'll be okay.

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But if, you know, if something goes wrong,

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then it's, it still might not be enough,

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right?

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There's this scarcity is

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baked in to the formula right now.

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And

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that goes, you know, even for clients,

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even in most, you know,

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financial advisory practices, right?

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It's like,

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you can't compete or everything

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is a competition.

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And if I, if you leave, you know,

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if you leave this firm to

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go somewhere else, you know,

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you can't take your clients with you.

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You can't, you know, all of these,

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all of these attitudes

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around even building,

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like building your business is

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If everything is scarcity,

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if there's not enough clients,

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if you get this client,

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then I don't get that client.

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All of those things, that is, again,

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baked in to your experience of prosperity,

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of is there enough?

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Is it going to be okay?

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And so I had to, part of my journey,

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part of that healing was to realize that,

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I mean,

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I couldn't work with everyone that...

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that I come across if I wanted to.

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I'm one person, right?

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I don't need

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a million clients,

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but there are millions and

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millions and millions of

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clients who want and will

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benefit from this type of work.

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So what does that actually mean?

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That actually means that I

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just need to keep being me.

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I keep doing what's unique

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and incredible and that I'm

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my inherent genius.

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I keep being me.

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And then it inspires other advisors.

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It inspires the industry.

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to say, hey, what are you doing?

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How are you doing that?

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Why are your clients getting

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such good results?

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Why do you have such good

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client retention?

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Why are you able to do all

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of these things and like, and bring them,

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you know,

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like help be part of the tide

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that's like raising the

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tide for everyone so that

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there are then more

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advisors who are working

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this way who can help more clients,

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right?

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So we see it as,

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or I see it as there is no competition.

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And I actually need more allies.

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I need more friends to be doing this with.

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And I know that they're out there.

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I know the advisors are out

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there who are craving,

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who have the same heart to like truly,

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truly help clients.

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And I want to meet them.

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And I want you to come help.

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I want you to be in this with me, right?

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Because there are so many

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people who need it.

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There is no competition, right?

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I've said the same.

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It's so like,

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you can just place this and

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put it in these other categories.

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Like, and that's when, you know,

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there's residents, right?

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It's like,

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I've been saying this for years.

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Like there is no competition in wellness.

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The world needs healing.

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Right.

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So I've been trying to teach

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an army of pharmacists to

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do the same thing.

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And I've been doing it in some respects,

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in some ways.

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And then also there's the

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other side of that is some

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people aren't ready.

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Right.

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Like you say,

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that's what I think the shift is.

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The shift is like when you

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let go of that expectation

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that everybody needs this.

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Right.

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It's like, no,

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some people aren't in their

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evolutionary space in order

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to get to this place where

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they're going to be

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receptive or energetically aligned.

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So I, you and I are kind of like,

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we had to figure it out too, right?

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Like you can't just speak at

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the top of the world and go,

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everybody come.

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Like, it's just like, no,

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there's certain people that

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are going to get it.

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There's certain pharmacists.

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There's now it's building

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the flywheels moving, right?

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The financial world is

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thinking about these things

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in different ways because

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humanity is thinking of

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this in different ways.

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We're moving into the heart.

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We're moving into this space.

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So you work with,

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people, right?

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I know that you're,

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you attract the right people,

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but who is that ideal

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client that comes in the

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door and finds you?

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Is it,

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is it someone that's kind of on that

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mountain of life and

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they're kind of moving in

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that second phase and

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they're thinking about it

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and they just want

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alignment in the financial

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well-being component of their lives?

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it's so what yeah what's

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really really important for

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me is um that I can I can

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meet people where they're

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at in quite a few different

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ways and so is that one of

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my demographics a hundred percent

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Absolutely.

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People who have assets,

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who have accumulated a lot of money,

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who feel... This is

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actually a really big one

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that's on my heart right now.

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People who have accumulated

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money who are terrified of losing it.

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Because that is...

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I don't have statistics,

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but from my personal

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experience as an advisor

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for the last almost twenty years,

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or in this industry for the

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last almost twenty years,

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is that certainly more than half,

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maybe even three quarters

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of the clients that I've

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ever met that have accumulated wealth

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are terrified of losing it

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because it was built in scarcity,

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because it was built in

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that sense of like,

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I have to put this away for a rainy day.

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I have to be, you know,

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I have to have enough.

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It has to hit a certain level, right?

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So there is fear.

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And what I've learned in all of my

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journeying.

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And we have a lot of

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resonance in that space too, right?

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A big piece of my healing

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was first an ayahuasca

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journey and then MDMA

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journey and quite a few

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others that have been

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facilitated and helped me

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see myself more clearly and

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see my purpose and what I'm

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here to do more clearly.

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And one of those pieces is

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to help heal and transmute that fear.

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Because what was built in

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fear has to be renown

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before it can be deployed in love.

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And that's what we want, right?

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Especially people who would

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be listening to this podcast,

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who want to work with you, right?

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The confluence of who's that person,

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they know that they want to have that.

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a safer,

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more inner safety is the way I put it,

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more inner safety around money,

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more inner peace around their money.

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And a big piece of that is

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transmuting that

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relationship with what has

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already been created so

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that what you create on top

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of that is now created in love.

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And there's the three D

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component to that of how do

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we manage that?

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How do we,

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how do we make good financial

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decisions around that?

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And then there's the

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energetic and emotional

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component around that, right?

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So that's, that's huge.

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The other, the other way,

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the other person that I

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work with is the person who

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is building and

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who has their businesses going great,

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they're making more income

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than they've ever made before,

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but maybe they actually

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used most of their

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retirement money to get to

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where they're at.

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Right.

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So common.

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So common.

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Just listening, not seeing.

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I'm like, yes.

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Because entrepreneurs,

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what's the best investment

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is your business.

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There's a better return always.

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But there's a point at when that changes,

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right?

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When the investments need to

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start folding because there

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is that overflow and abundance.

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I think I'm just blew up

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mine and building again, but like,

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I love that.

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Tell me a little more.

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Tell me more about where you

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hit that piece and why it's so important.

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I want to know a couple.

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I'm curious.

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Using this newfound,

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beautiful process you've taken,

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I also want to know what

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are the outcomes you're

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seeing through this process?

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Yeah, such good questions.

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So on that side,

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for someone who's building

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and rebuilding back from

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having invested in yourself

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to create something new,

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to create impact in a new way,

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that is beautiful.

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And there comes a point for

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most entrepreneurs where they're like,

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I also really want to see

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it in the bank account.

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right?

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I want to,

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I know that I'm making an impact.

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I can see what's happening.

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I see that I'm, you know,

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the revenue is good,

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but I'm not feeling it on a

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regular basis.

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And there's, so there's, again,

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there's an incongruence.

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It's when there's, you know,

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like anytime there is a disconnect,

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we'll say, between where, you know,

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where you feel like you

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quote unquote should be

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at any given time,

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there's a money story there.

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There's absolutely.

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And there's probably

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multiple money stories

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under there of where should I be?

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Why aren't I there?

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I see this, you know, in the PNL statement,

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but I don't see it in my bank account.

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Right.

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And so what we do,

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we look at those things.

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We look at everything for what it is.

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first.

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So we take a really good look at the P&L,

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we take a really good look

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at what you're spending,

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we take a really good look

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at all the real world details.

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And then

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we see where the roadblocks

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are of where maybe where

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you're not seeing yourself clearly,

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where you're not seeing

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your own impact clearly,

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where you're not aware of

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the money stories that have

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come before that are still

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playing out now.

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Because sometimes all it

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takes is like a tiny tweak.

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It's, you know,

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truly like that's usually

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what it is with my clients is, you know,

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there's the combination of, okay,

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what's happening?

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How does the P&L look?

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How are you feeling about that?

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What's coming up?

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What challenges are happening?

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And then, all right, then the intuitive,

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you know, again,

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I'm listening with my whole body,

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the intuitive piece of like, okay,

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this feels like this is

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actually coming from

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this piece, either this money story,

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or this part of your human design,

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or this part of your gene keys,

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there's a shadow that's coming up,

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that's that feels like it's

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playing out again.

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And so we dive into that.

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And then see if there's okay,

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so that gives you, you know,

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right now you're in the shadow of,

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we'll say,

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I don't think this is one of yours,

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but maybe the shadow of entropy.

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You're stuck.

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You're in inertia.

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You're not moving on this thing.

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Why?

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Right?

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Let's explore that because

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that's actually maybe the

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small key that's going to

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swing the big door.

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You know,

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the little push that's going to

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open the door.

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I mean,

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the best what what am I seeing with

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clients?

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Gosh, this this year,

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there have just been some really,

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really cool things that

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have been happening.

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I have one client right now

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who's worked really,

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really hard for several years.

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And on she's a lawyer,

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she's working on a huge case,

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and just it's finally

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settling for millions of dollars.

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she has never had that much

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money before ever.

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She's never had savings

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because she's been building the business.

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Right.

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And this has been the

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windfall that she's been waiting for.

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Um,

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but basically like trying to figure out,

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you know,

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like dealing with all the money stories.

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So we dealt with money

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stories for two years of like,

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what's coming up.

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How do I heal it?

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How do I move through it?

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And how do I keep going?

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And now the windfall is here almost.

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And now the other half of

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the money story is the fear of like,

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what do I do with all this money?

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How do I, you know, like, right?

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It's the piece that I've

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been playing with.

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And I want to get this

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because this is a perfect

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moment right here in this story is,

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People that have chased

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their whole lives and get

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what they've been chasing never get,

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maybe it's just me, but I doubt it.

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It's everyone because you're

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so consumed with the chase.

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It's like the dog that

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chases the bumper of the car.

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What happens when they grab it?

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There's a whole different

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story that just starts that says,

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where's the willingness to receive?

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Right.

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Big piece for me.

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Like the, not the willingness,

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just the abilities to

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receive a comment of

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gratitude or abundance.

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Like, oh,

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what happens when you actually

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get what you want and have

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been working so hard for?

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Whole nother story, right?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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And it's we don't think about that.

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We get to this place.

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I got to work so hard to get to this.

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Oh, my God.

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It happened.

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What now?

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It's like it blows you up.

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You're like, holy shit.

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I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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And then there's like, hey,

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I'm in full abundance or full alignment.

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Everything's happening.

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The manifesting is happening

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out of the generator side of it.

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And then all of a sudden

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it's like now I have a whole new story.

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a whole new story of life.

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And I never, ever, ever,

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ever contemplated that piece.

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How do you not sabotage it?

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Right.

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Because that's what we,

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that's what we then do.

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It's like, Ooh, now I'm out of my,

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now I'm out of my norm and

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I need to do something

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consciously or

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unconsciously to get back to my norm.

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Do you think that's what

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happens with people when

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they win the lottery?

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A hundred percent.

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The average,

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the statistical average for

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someone who receives a

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windfall lottery inheritance or otherwise,

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like, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Any, um, any windfall,

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the statistical average for

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that person to be back at

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zero is three years.

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Well,

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you can put that in professional

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athletes.

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Like they get the big contracts.

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Yes.

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Yes, literally.

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That's one of your avatars, I think.

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It's like, hey,

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what do you do when you get

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this big thing?

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Let's keep it.

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Not just like spend it wisely.

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There's an energetics to all of that.

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The sabotage.

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yes absolutely absolutely

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and so to know that that

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again uh this is this is

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actually you're getting

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into a point that I have a

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beef with um behavioral

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finance with a little bit

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behavioral finance is

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beautiful it's very

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important I think it's a

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it's awesome to have

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studied and understand you

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know the psychology of

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money um and the psychology

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of money is very important but

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What that also does is it

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puts people in categories.

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And when you tell someone, oh, well,

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you're just, you know,

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doing the same thing that

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everyone does in this, you know,

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or that seventy percent of

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people do in this case.

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As soon as you tell that to someone,

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they shut down and they're like, well,

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that's not my situation is

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clearly different and unique.

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And they're right, right?

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Like that's the thing is like, okay,

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so you can have that

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knowledge in the back of your head.

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Yes, most lottery winners,

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windfall receivers will be

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back at zero within three years.

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That's the statistical truth.

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But it doesn't have to be

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that way if you're given

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the tools not only to know

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okay,

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what are the wise ways to invest this,

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to save it, to put it away for the future,

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right?

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Like that's all a part of it.

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But this entire conversation,

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what we're talking about is

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then what's the energetic

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underneath that still?

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If the energetic is still,

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I'm terrified that I'm

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going to mess this up,

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that's always going to

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carry with you until you heal that.

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Well, it's just like a relationship,

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right?

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It's like, if you don't heal the wound,

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the mirror will come up each time.

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It's going to come to the

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next relationship until you

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get underneath your part.

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Right.

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How we're dealing with this

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in the financial world.

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We've got that little left time.

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I want to talk about, and thank you.

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This was been amazing.

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You have a group mastermind

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launching soon.

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It's for,

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is it for therapists to heal

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their money stories?

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Like, tell us a little bit about it.

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Um, what inspired you and what, what,

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what do you hope to create out of this?

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So super, yeah, super interesting.

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Uh,

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what's happening with that at the moment.

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Um,

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so because transparently we haven't had

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anyone say yes so far.

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Because therapists, we've actually done,

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so the person I've partnered with there,

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his name is Dr. Stephen Ingram,

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such a beautiful human, such a good heart,

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such a

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such a good example of

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someone who also listens

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with everything like he's

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such a good listener and

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such a good question asker

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um and he's also a

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supervisor for he's a

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therapist supervisor as

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well and so if you're in

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the therapy world um you

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know especially newer

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therapists are required to

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have a supervisor who helps them

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become better at their practice.

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And so one of the things

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that he's so gifted at is

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leading process groups of

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helping people and helping

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therapists like examine their own stuff,

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but not in a way that

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points it out in a way that, you know,

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because from,

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and this is one of the

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reasons we align really

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well is that he's like,

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I don't want to ask a lot

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of questions that get

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people back up into their head, right?

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I want to keep them feeling.

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I want to keep them in the

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emotion so that it can

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process and they can see.

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If I ask too many questions

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that they then interrupt

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the feeling process, then I've messed up.

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And we've actually had the

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privilege of doing this workshop,

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doing the money story

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workshop where I take a

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group through an inner

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child guided meditation.

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And it brings up a lot of

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stuff that needs to be processed.

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And then we, together,

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we guide that processing.

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Um, and so from that,

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from those experiences that

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we've had together and

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seeing how powerful they

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are and heard the feedback of how,

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how transformational,

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even just one experience was of that,

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you know,

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we wanted to create a container where.

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we can actually like dive

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into that and actually help the healers,

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help the other helpers heal

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their money stories because

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that's how we create the ripple, right?

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It's like when I do it with one client,

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one-on-one,

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that's beautiful and that's important.

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But if we heal the healers,

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they then have full practices, right?

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They're helping hundreds of others, right?

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And so that's the going upstream piece,

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right?

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Like going to the people that are also,

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that their heart is for helping others.

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And what's so interesting with my energy,

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again, I'm a manifesting generator.

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And manifesting generators, you are too,

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Josh.

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We're able to pivot when

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things aren't quite,

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like when you put something

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out there and you give it a test,

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we are quicker at the pivot to be like,

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okay, that's, that was a full yes.

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And now there's something about it.

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That's not quite the full yes anymore.

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Where's my full yes again.

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And we can energetically shift things.

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And I literally was just

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thinking about this, um,

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maybe a day or two ago,

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like what's not hitting,

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what's not hitting there.

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And the thought came up that, um,

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I think it's,

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I think it's meant to be more open.

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It's not,

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it's not meant to be just for this one,

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one vertical,

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but when you said heal the healers,

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because my retreat is

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called heal the healers.

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Oh my gosh.

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Of course it is.

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Well, it's because the same thing,

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it's the ripple effect.

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And I was having this

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literal conversation.

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I want to talk to you

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offline about it because I,

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One of my meditation

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teachers and healer friends,

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he's a co-facilitator in my

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retreats that I hold in Costa Rica,

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is we were both having this process with

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like money and abundance and like this,

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like,

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because a lot of the energetics and

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the spiritual people,

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like we don't have this a

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grab with money itself,

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but what could we do if we had abundance,

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we could help so many more

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people like that ripple effect.

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So, and I think a lot of healers,

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there's this stigma around

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healers shouldn't make any money.

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Oh yes.

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You know this, right?

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So it's like,

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What if we could create this

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workshop around shifting

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the philosophy of the energetics of that?

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Because it's true, right?

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Healers,

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if there's this energy around healers,

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healers don't need to make

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money because then they're bastardizing,

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like asking for people's

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money because they're a healer,

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but it's actually what we do, right?

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And so I think a lot of

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healers in the healing arts

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Uh, have that component come up a lot.

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Yeah.

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So I'm, I'm at my, my brain, my,

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my neurodivergent brain is

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going on fire right now thinking about,

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yeah,

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maybe we open this out to some of these,

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these other kind of modalities to,

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to really help them because it is,

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it is for me, for a lot of other people,

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it becomes something of a

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internal struggle as well.

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Like if I make a lot of money.

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So I can help more people,

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but people are going to see

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me as a business person, not a, you know,

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is that all that stuff's

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interplaying and intertwining with it.

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So I think we,

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I think we should definitely

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have a powwow around that a little bit.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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But, and, you know,

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we're at the tail end of

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our conversation today.

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I loved what we talked about.

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But for listeners navigating

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this burnout or scarcity,

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what's the one small

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practice they can start

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shifting today just to

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create more abundant energy?

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Oh, this one is so simple.

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Not necessarily easy, but very simple.

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Is when we are in scarcity...

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And we want to shift to abundance.

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Uh, if you're watching like my hands apart,

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they're actually,

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pretty far apart

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energetically if you're in

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scarcity and you want to

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flip to abundance.

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Right.

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Right.

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There's the, the want,

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the desire to be in

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abundance when you're in scarcity.

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This one took me forever to,

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to wrap my head around and

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I was so mad about it.

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To be honest, is that when you're like,

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I want, I want to have those new clients.

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I want to have, you know, this and that.

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And I want to, I want to have, you know,

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the fifty thousand dollar

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months I want to that

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implies that it's not here

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that implies the scarcity

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itself it's the scarcity is

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underneath that I want that

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it's I want because I don't

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have and I don't have and

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so that's what's being

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reflected back seriously

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energetically infuriating

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um and what shifts that the

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fastest is to come into sufficiency

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is to bring it back,

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bring both of them to the middle.

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Where are you already

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experiencing exactly what you need?

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Where is the sufficiency in

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your life so that you bring

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these sides together and go

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into a gratitude practice

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around where you already

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have exactly what you need?

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And from there, when you can see that,

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like where are all the places?

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List everything out.

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If it's a thousand things

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that you need to list out the first time,

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list out everything.

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Where do you have exactly what you need?

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Emotionally, financially, spiritually,

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physically,

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where are all the places where

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you have exactly what you need,

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where you are sufficient?

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And when you can look at that list,

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and feel like, feel the realness of that,

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right?

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This is a nervous system practice too.

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Your nervous system sees that and it says,

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yeah, that's true.

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When you can feel the truth of that,

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then you can shift into

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where do you already have

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more than enough?

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My definition of prosperity,

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I'm going to insert this

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right here and then

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I wanted to know what's

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Hannah's definition of

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abundance and prosperity.

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Yes.

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My definition of prosperity

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is being able to give of your time,

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your money and your energy

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from a place of overflow

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that you have all the time

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in the world to give to the

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causes that matter to you,

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that you have all the

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energy in the world to give

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to the things that light you up,

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that you have all the money

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that you could ever need.

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And you're able to give from

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an overflowing cup so that these cups,

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these cups are full and you

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get to give from the overflow.

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That's prosperity.

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And so if we take that definition,

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where are you already in

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abundance with your time or

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your energy or your money?

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Because sometimes it's that

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one of those three or two

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of those three are out of whack.

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I was just thinking that.

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Yep.

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Right?

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And so then we kind of feel

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like everything has gone to shit.

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When it's really just, hey, you know what?

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Things are actually really,

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really good in this bucket.

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And if you sink into that,

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if you acknowledge that,

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Show gratitude.

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Have your gratitude practice

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of this is where I'm already abundant.

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It's amazing.

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I love it.

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Thank you.

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That is the sufficiency that

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will then allow you to see

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this and I can receive even

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more of that because I already have it.

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It's not I want that because

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I don't have it.

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I can steward even more of

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that because I've already

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shown that I can steward what I have.

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I love that.

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And you're right.

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These are simple,

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not necessarily easy things.

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Again, I've said that too.

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Wellness is simple.

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It's just not easy, right?

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We know we can eat right and exercise.

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We know it.

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It's very simple.

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It's complex, right?

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I love that.

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I think it's amazing.

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Where can people find you?

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Where can they connect with you?

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Where can they tune into the

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expansive CEO podcast?

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Oh, yeah.

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Podcast, of course.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Yes.

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Listen, listen to this.

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I love it.

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And then you can also catch

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the expansive CEO podcast

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on literally any platform

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that you listen.

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You can also go to YouTube

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and search expansive CEO

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and see everything there.

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And then there's other

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YouTube specific resources

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as well that aren't anywhere else.

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And if you have any desire,

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if you want to connect on

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financial planning,

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investment management from

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a place of abundance and

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alignment or human design

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and Gene Keys business coaching.

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Right.

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These are all the spectrum

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of how I work with people.

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Um, you can actually go to Hannah,

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our Chapman.com is the easiest way.

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Cause then that will funnel.

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You can,

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you can go to X squared wealth

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planning and expansive CEO

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straight from that website.

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So that's the easiest.

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You can also get to the

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podcast from there.

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So Hannah, our Chapman.com, um,

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Hannah with two N's two A's

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and two H's it's the, the correct way,

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the palindrome H A N and A H. Um,

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Yeah, that's where you can find me.

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Beautiful.

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Hannah, thank you so much.

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This has been amazing.

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You are amazing.

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Thank you for what you're doing.

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You're transforming a place, a sector,

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an industry that is

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inevitably going to evolve anyway.

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But you're right here right now.

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And I love that because I

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have lots of people to open doors with,

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especially the CEOs and

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entrepreneurs that I love

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that are moving in this direction.

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This gives them that guide.

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So thank you so much.

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This is awesome.

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We're going to do more.

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I know it.

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I love it.

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Thank you so much for having me, Josh.

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This was amazing.

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Every conversation we have

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is just better than the last.

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So thank you.

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So good.

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All right, guys, this one's a wrap.

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Until next time, stay well.

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Beyond the Pills
Where Timeless Wisdom Meets Modern Science For True Healing
In a world saturated with quick fixes and symptom-chasing, Beyond the Pills dares to ask: What if true healing starts from within?

Hosted by Josh Rimany, a conventionally trained pharmacist turned visionary in functional medicine, this podcast invites you on a journey to redefine what health really means. With over 220K global downloads, Beyond the Pills is a trusted source for those ready to move past the traditional model of medicine and step into a deeper, more empowered relationship with their mind, body, and spirit.

Each episode is a conversation that goes deeper than prescriptions—exploring the root causes of dis-ease, the power of lifestyle medicine, and the tools you need to take your health into your own hands.

Whether you're a health professional, conscious consumer, or simply someone who feels there must be more than medications, this podcast is your roadmap to vibrant, sustainable wellness.

🎙 What You’ll Hear Inside:

‣ In-depth interviews with leading experts in integrative health, biohacking, functional medicine, plant medicine, neuroscience, and more.
‣ Real-world strategies to support mental clarity, gut health, hormonal balance, immunity, and energy.
‣ Tools and tech for optimizing your health—from wearable devices to ancient healing practices.
‣ Spiritual and energetic insights to reconnect you with your body’s innate wisdom.
‣ Stories of transformation from patients and practitioners who have gone beyond the pill bottle and found lasting wellness.

Why Beyond the Pills?

Because health is not just the absence of disease—it’s a state of vitality, alignment, and intention.

Josh Rimany combines the best of both worlds: the credibility of clinical science with the soul of holistic healing. With decades of experience in pharmacy and a passion for root-cause medicine, Josh guides listeners toward a lifestyle that’s proactive, personalized, and purpose-driven.

Beyond the Pills is where ancient wisdom meets cutting-edge science, offering practical steps that anyone can take—regardless of where they are on their health journey.

🌎 Join a Global Wellness Movement

Listeners from around the world are tuning in to reclaim their health—naturally. With a U.S.-based audience made up of wellness seekers, professionals, and entrepreneurs, this show is creating a ripple effect in the health and wellness space.
New episodes drop regularly on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, and everywhere you listen.

🎧 Subscribe today to:
Learn from the brightest minds in health and healing
Take control of your own wellness journey
Discover what’s possible when you go Beyond the Pills

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Wellness doesn’t have to be complicated.
Let’s make it simple, together.

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