#101: Alchemizing Pain into Power — A Deep Dive with Alix Kirshner
Pain, illness, grief; these are the things many of us try to avoid. But what if they are the gatekeepers to something more real, more alive, more whole?
Meet Alix Kirshner, an Integration Coach and Certified Psychedelic Guide whose intended path in traditional therapy was forever reoriented by a cancer diagnosis. That diagnosis didn’t just challenge her physical health; it shattered her beliefs about pain, purpose, and what healing really means. From that breaking, Alix discovered a new way of being—a holistic journey that weaves together mind, body, spirit, and the profound intelligence of healing.
After earning a BA in Social Psychology at UMass Boston, Alix’s life took a radical turn. The cancer came, as did the unraveling of old narratives. As she faced her own mortality, she asked difficult questions about suffering, meaning, and transformation. In the aftermath of her recovery, she explored psychedelic experiences—not as escapism, but as catalysts for deep integration. In Colorado, she earned certification as a Psychedelic Guide through the Center for Medicinal Mindfulness in Boulder, grounding her work in safety, compassion, and real tools for transformation.
Today, Alix works at the intersection of science, spirituality, and compassion. She coaches clients at Mindbloom, particularly in integrating ketamine sessions, and in her private practice, Higher Healing, she guides journeys with medicines such as cannabis or psilocybin. She also supports those navigating grief—“grief” in all its forms: loss, transitions, unrealized dreams and helps people alchemize it into resilience, self-understanding, and purpose.
In this episode, listeners will gain access to:
- Real stories of how psychedelic integration can shift one’s relationship to pain;
- Rituals, practices, and frameworks that transform suffering into insight;
- The ways grief can become not just something we endure, but something that expands our capacity to love, to create, to be present.
You’ll hear about the importance of integration, a concept that’s central to psychedelic therapy. A recent analysis found that the literature on psychedelic integration spans more than 1,000 clinical papers covering some 40,000 patients, and shows “large” to “very large” effect sizes in outcomes when integration is part of the protocol. Frontiers
You’ll also learn about brain changes revealed in research: for example, psilocybin therapy has been shown to produce rapid, sustained antidepressant effects correlated with increases in global brain network integration, changes not observed with traditional antidepressants like escitalopram. Nature
Alix makes it clear: meeting your pain with curiosity and compassion doesn’t minimize your suffering but it transforms it. As one healing quote puts it, “The wound is where the light enters you.” — Rumi. Mindfulness Exercises
And from the world of psychedelic therapy: recent clinical trials show that therapy assisted by MDMA, psilocybin, ketamine, etc., is consistently revealing those shifts in anxiety, PTSD, depression symptoms—often when prior treatments have failed. American Psychological Association+1
If you’re feeling stuck with your pain, grief, or questions of purpose, this episode is for you. Tune in to be held, to be challenged, to be inspired. Let Alix’s story show you what’s possible when pain is treated not as something to escape, but as something to learn from, to integrate, to alchemize into something beautiful.
After listening:
- Reflect on what grief or pain you’ve been resisting: what might happen if you sat with it instead of pushing it away?
- Share this episode with someone who might need the permission to feel, to heal, to transform.
- Leave a review—help us expand the conversation; many people need to hear this message.
Key Insight
We all have the power to alchemize our pain—turning it into purpose, meaning, wisdom. Pain isn’t the opposite of love; it’s part of the same spectrum. When we meet it with compassion, we find transformation not in spite of our suffering, but because of it.
Transcript
Welcome, welcome,
Speaker:welcome back to Beyond the Pills.
Speaker:I'm Josh Remini, your host,
Speaker:pharmacist turned healer.
Speaker:And today I'm joined with Alex Kirshner,
Speaker:an integration coach and
Speaker:certified psychedelic guide
Speaker:whose path to healing took
Speaker:a profound turn after a cancer diagnosis,
Speaker:reshaped her understanding of pain,
Speaker:purpose, and transformation.
Speaker:Alex holds a bachelor's of
Speaker:arts in social psychology
Speaker:and has trained with the
Speaker:Center for Medicinal
Speaker:Mindfulness in Boulder, Colorado,
Speaker:grounding her work in safety, integration,
Speaker:and confidence.
Speaker:She blends science, spirituality,
Speaker:and compassion.
Speaker:It's probably why we're connected here.
Speaker:supporting clients at
Speaker:Mindbloom as they process
Speaker:ketamine sessions and
Speaker:through her private practice,
Speaker:Higher Healing,
Speaker:where she guides medicine
Speaker:journeys with cannabis and psilocybin.
Speaker:She also recently expanded
Speaker:her work into grief coaching,
Speaker:helping people navigate
Speaker:grief in all its forms,
Speaker:whether through loss,
Speaker:transitions or unmet dreams.
Speaker:And beginning in twenty twenty six,
Speaker:she'll bring her wisdom
Speaker:to Myraville's Berkshires
Speaker:Resort and Spa offering
Speaker:workshops that reframe
Speaker:grief as a natural and
Speaker:transformative part of life.
Speaker:Alex's message is clear and powerful.
Speaker:We all have the ability to
Speaker:alchemize our pain,
Speaker:transforming it into purpose, resilience,
Speaker:and healing.
Speaker:Welcome to the show, Alex.
Speaker:Thank you, Josh.
Speaker:I'm happy to be here.
Speaker:Oh, it's amazing, isn't it?
Speaker:How we all connect and how we grow.
Speaker:So your journey started with
Speaker:a cancer diagnosis.
Speaker:That's a similar path of
Speaker:what we both connected on,
Speaker:because I am also,
Speaker:that's how my journey
Speaker:started when I was
Speaker:diagnosed with leukemia at sixteen.
Speaker:And that seemed to
Speaker:completely shift your
Speaker:perspective on pain and healing.
Speaker:Can you take us back to that moment?
Speaker:yeah absolutely so my my
Speaker:actually my path started
Speaker:when my sister died when I
Speaker:was nineteen years old and
Speaker:so that's what really
Speaker:opened me up to this world
Speaker:of healing and had my you
Speaker:know gave me these big
Speaker:questions about life about
Speaker:purpose about um
Speaker:perspective really about
Speaker:our pain and so anyways
Speaker:through that grief um you
Speaker:know that's what started my
Speaker:spiritual journey
Speaker:That's what led me down to
Speaker:going to school for social psychology,
Speaker:and I was going to become a
Speaker:traditional therapist.
Speaker:But right after I graduated
Speaker:with my social psych degree,
Speaker:I got diagnosed with cancer,
Speaker:Hodgkin's lymphoma.
Speaker:I was twenty six years old
Speaker:and I'll never forget it.
Speaker:I was
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:having all these symptoms for a
Speaker:couple of years before the diagnosis.
Speaker:And I was really gaslit and
Speaker:turned away by so many
Speaker:doctors who told me that my pain was just,
Speaker:or my symptoms were just
Speaker:symptoms of my grief that I
Speaker:was going through.
Speaker:They'd asked me if I was
Speaker:seeing a therapist and it
Speaker:wasn't until this lymph
Speaker:node on the side of my neck popped up,
Speaker:this really big swollen
Speaker:lymph node that I was
Speaker:finally taken seriously by a doctor.
Speaker:And a day later,
Speaker:I found myself on an
Speaker:oncology floor being
Speaker:diagnosed with with Hodgkin's lymphoma.
Speaker:So that was an experience
Speaker:that was pretty unlike anything else,
Speaker:because I had dealt with
Speaker:grief of losing my sister there.
Speaker:but this was a completely
Speaker:different kind of experience, right?
Speaker:This was me facing the
Speaker:potential loss of my own life,
Speaker:the grieving of my own
Speaker:potential life and lots of
Speaker:grief that existed within that,
Speaker:the grief of not being able
Speaker:to be a normal twenty six
Speaker:year old girl anymore.
Speaker:And a lot of a lot of other
Speaker:things that I that I
Speaker:noticed along the way.
Speaker:So I'll just pause there and
Speaker:No,
Speaker:it's a beautiful pause because we share
Speaker:that common thread.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I was sixteen.
Speaker:I I was misdiagnosed.
Speaker:They told me nothing was wrong with me.
Speaker:I was diagnosed with the criteria of lupus,
Speaker:which is an autoimmune disease.
Speaker:Like there was a period
Speaker:where I love where you went.
Speaker:Like there was some knowing for me.
Speaker:That knowing.
Speaker:And I just had this
Speaker:conversation with a client
Speaker:today about the body keeps a score,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:That book, right?
Speaker:There is this...
Speaker:psych the the mind body
Speaker:connection of that grief
Speaker:triggering these things in
Speaker:the body that ultimately
Speaker:led down a path and I want
Speaker:to talk about the
Speaker:energetics of releasing
Speaker:that right this is where we
Speaker:both come from but the
Speaker:manifestation of dis ease
Speaker:in your body was real mm-hmm
Speaker:And just like me, like, but at at sixteen,
Speaker:I had no idea.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It was just like going to
Speaker:doctors and trying to
Speaker:figure out going in and out
Speaker:of yards with this immense
Speaker:amount of pain.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden, at some point,
Speaker:I got a
Speaker:I got a second opinion
Speaker:because my best friend in
Speaker:grade school's mom was a
Speaker:pediatrician and she said,
Speaker:go to the hospital and get
Speaker:another diagnosis, get another opinion.
Speaker:So they found leukemia,
Speaker:another blood borne cancer.
Speaker:But I had gone through a
Speaker:traumatic experience the year prior.
Speaker:And so my journey has been
Speaker:very similar to yours where
Speaker:we've gone through this
Speaker:path of understanding that
Speaker:let's call it pathophysiology for now,
Speaker:but like that something
Speaker:happened that triggered an
Speaker:event in your life,
Speaker:which turned into a body chemistry thing,
Speaker:which turned into a diagnosis of disease,
Speaker:cancer.
Speaker:And now you've come out on
Speaker:the other end with this
Speaker:beautiful smile and this
Speaker:beautiful aura and this
Speaker:energy that you have
Speaker:this around,
Speaker:you've now feel compelled to
Speaker:not only understand how
Speaker:that worked for you,
Speaker:but now you've gone to this
Speaker:place where you want to help others.
Speaker:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, you know, just real quick,
Speaker:I love how you brought up
Speaker:that connection with the
Speaker:dis-ease in the body.
Speaker:And, you know, looking back,
Speaker:that's exactly what happened, right?
Speaker:I ran away from the pain.
Speaker:I didn't know how to accept it.
Speaker:I didn't know how to
Speaker:surrender to it or to meet it.
Speaker:And
Speaker:And that created so much
Speaker:disease in my body that led
Speaker:to this diagnosis.
Speaker:And so I truly believe that.
Speaker:And so through this,
Speaker:while I was going through chemo,
Speaker:I had an incredible
Speaker:experience with psilocybin.
Speaker:And this was not intentional.
Speaker:I want to talk about this.
Speaker:This is like,
Speaker:you led me to the beautiful
Speaker:question because I was like,
Speaker:how does this, how does...
Speaker:How does psychedelic science
Speaker:and healing come into a
Speaker:person that has a cancer diagnosis?
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:I mean, you know,
Speaker:go through chemo and take
Speaker:some psilocybin.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, so yeah,
Speaker:I had an experience that was
Speaker:really profound and it was,
Speaker:it was not intended,
Speaker:but I took this medicine
Speaker:and I experienced this
Speaker:really immense healing in this way of
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I experienced my pain in
Speaker:this different way through
Speaker:the experience with with psilocybin.
Speaker:I was able to sit in front
Speaker:of a mirror with myself,
Speaker:seeing my hair falling out,
Speaker:seeing the way I look
Speaker:differently and have this
Speaker:understanding that I felt so alone,
Speaker:but I wasn't alone.
Speaker:I had me.
Speaker:I had myself.
Speaker:I knew what I was going through.
Speaker:And this is where this
Speaker:relationship with myself really started.
Speaker:This this.
Speaker:this transactional
Speaker:relationship that I have
Speaker:with myself that I gained
Speaker:through psychedelics and
Speaker:I've I've fostered over
Speaker:time and I help my clients
Speaker:to do the same because like
Speaker:we can feel alone in this world,
Speaker:but we're not, you know, we can,
Speaker:we can self soothe.
Speaker:We can, we can heal ourselves.
Speaker:We can hold space for ourselves.
Speaker:It's great when other people
Speaker:can do that too.
Speaker:Um, but yeah,
Speaker:that's one thing that the
Speaker:experience gave me as well
Speaker:as just shifting my perspective on,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:my grief from losing my sister
Speaker:on my diagnosis and really
Speaker:shifting this into gifts,
Speaker:this into like things that
Speaker:were given to me that I can now, um,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:alchemize into healing for myself,
Speaker:into healing for others.
Speaker:And so that's what led me to
Speaker:deciding that I wasn't
Speaker:going to become a
Speaker:traditional therapist and I
Speaker:was going to become a
Speaker:psychedelic guide and move
Speaker:to Colorado without a place
Speaker:to live and just pack my
Speaker:car up and go because it was my path.
Speaker:And there's so much,
Speaker:there's so much beautiful
Speaker:wisdom in there.
Speaker:One, going into the unknown.
Speaker:Knowing your path,
Speaker:the talk about I want to
Speaker:because we share this
Speaker:common bond and I feel like
Speaker:this is a beautiful
Speaker:conversation today is you
Speaker:talked about alchemy, right?
Speaker:And I love that word.
Speaker:That word is beautiful.
Speaker:It's transformation, right?
Speaker:Transformation to me means
Speaker:you can't go back.
Speaker:You can't go back to that.
Speaker:And you talk about this as being a gift.
Speaker:And I think healers going
Speaker:through their own wounded journey, right?
Speaker:The wounded healer's journey
Speaker:is part of the process of
Speaker:becoming a healer.
Speaker:It's something you are.
Speaker:It's something you're called to do.
Speaker:It's not something you sign up for.
Speaker:It's not something that you
Speaker:go to a school to get an education for.
Speaker:Of course, we need the authority.
Speaker:We need the experience.
Speaker:We need the wisdom to do
Speaker:what we need to do.
Speaker:But that calling,
Speaker:like I hear it in your
Speaker:voice and I hear it in that
Speaker:energy is like something
Speaker:greater than me compelled
Speaker:me to do this for not only
Speaker:learn through my experience, that gift.
Speaker:I believe that all of my
Speaker:traumatic experiences in my
Speaker:life were there for a reason.
Speaker:The reason was for me to learn to heal.
Speaker:And so I can help others
Speaker:heal through that same way.
Speaker:So you think your cancer was a gift for
Speaker:A thousand percent.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Now,
Speaker:I want that to resonate a little bit
Speaker:because there's a lot of
Speaker:people that are suffering
Speaker:in this world unnecessarily sometimes,
Speaker:mostly.
Speaker:We know the psychology of this,
Speaker:but there's a lot of
Speaker:disease in the world.
Speaker:There's a lot of unbalance.
Speaker:There's a lot of chronic
Speaker:diseases on the rise, stress,
Speaker:psychological components, anxiety.
Speaker:Everything is elevated,
Speaker:autoimmune disease.
Speaker:You can call all of this.
Speaker:We're in a very interesting space.
Speaker:so for people that are
Speaker:listening looking and
Speaker:searching for this it's not
Speaker:the drug it's not the
Speaker:psychedelic that fixes you
Speaker:it's part of the medicine
Speaker:right part of that
Speaker:intertwining we know this
Speaker:because we've gone through
Speaker:that experience
Speaker:but when you you have that
Speaker:knowing that this is a that
Speaker:was a gift for you for
Speaker:others as well I want you
Speaker:to talk through your
Speaker:experience on how you was
Speaker:it always there or was
Speaker:there some place that you
Speaker:just kind of realized was
Speaker:it in your journey was it
Speaker:some place that you had to
Speaker:integrate to understand
Speaker:that these shadows these
Speaker:things that are happened to us for us
Speaker:are really gifts for us to
Speaker:bring to the world.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:it really was over a long period of time.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:I was nineteen years old when my
Speaker:sister died and that
Speaker:changed me in so many ways
Speaker:and put me on this trajectory.
Speaker:It really did.
Speaker:But from nineteen to when I
Speaker:was diagnosed with cancer at twenty six,
Speaker:I was very resistant to healing.
Speaker:And I was I was I was on a
Speaker:spiritual journey,
Speaker:but it was like doing good.
Speaker:Nope.
Speaker:Doing bad.
Speaker:Like, you know, and, you know,
Speaker:it can still be that way.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It's never linear.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:The healing journey.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:I felt definitely something greater.
Speaker:I'll say that.
Speaker:From the time my sister died
Speaker:to the time I made the
Speaker:decision to be a
Speaker:psychedelic guide at twenty six,
Speaker:there was something that
Speaker:led me to go to school to
Speaker:be a traditional therapist.
Speaker:So that was definitely within me, you know,
Speaker:wanting to help people through darkness.
Speaker:But it was the cancer
Speaker:diagnosis that shifted everything,
Speaker:especially after I had gone
Speaker:through chemo.
Speaker:I started supporting other
Speaker:women going through cancer journeys.
Speaker:People would reach out to me and say, hey,
Speaker:Alex,
Speaker:I have a friend who's just diagnosed.
Speaker:Do you mind talking to her?
Speaker:And I'd end up talking to
Speaker:these women throughout
Speaker:their chemo experiences,
Speaker:like checking in here and there just,
Speaker:you know, just because,
Speaker:just to be a support.
Speaker:And
Speaker:that felt like, you know,
Speaker:a part of my path and, and that sort of,
Speaker:um, you know,
Speaker:now I have a desire to work with,
Speaker:with the cancer population.
Speaker:I'm using psychedelics to
Speaker:help people move through
Speaker:their experiences,
Speaker:whether they're within their chemo,
Speaker:whether they're outside of their,
Speaker:whether they're in remission, you know,
Speaker:but,
Speaker:but it became really an important to me.
Speaker:And so, yeah, to answer your question,
Speaker:it just over time kept unfolding.
Speaker:And I think,
Speaker:that what's really developed
Speaker:for me now is a trusting in following
Speaker:like in just following the wave in,
Speaker:in being led, you know, like there's,
Speaker:I'm not resisting anymore, you know,
Speaker:maybe sometimes, you know, but like,
Speaker:I'm not really resisting anymore.
Speaker:And I've gotten to a place
Speaker:through psychedelics, through my work,
Speaker:through meditation and
Speaker:other modalities of,
Speaker:of the path of like least resistance here,
Speaker:which, which allows the world to open up.
Speaker:I've found in ways that are
Speaker:pretty profound.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And there's a wisdom, right?
Speaker:The wisdom that you carry
Speaker:through an experience, right?
Speaker:You didn't know it was a gift at the time.
Speaker:Of course you don't, right?
Speaker:But through the experience,
Speaker:there's a realization.
Speaker:This is part of the psychedelic experience,
Speaker:meditation,
Speaker:whatever subconscious level
Speaker:we're working in.
Speaker:And I love I love it.
Speaker:Like I became the pharmacist
Speaker:that had to learn not to be
Speaker:a pharmacist for healing.
Speaker:And you became the
Speaker:psychologist that learned
Speaker:that it's not the it's not
Speaker:the conscious mind that heals.
Speaker:It's the subconscious.
Speaker:And but you had to go
Speaker:through that experience to
Speaker:get to where you are.
Speaker:None of it was by accident.
Speaker:Mm hmm.
Speaker:And I love it because you're here.
Speaker:I'm here talking about the
Speaker:same thing in my own light of like,
Speaker:I feel compelled to help
Speaker:cancer warriors move
Speaker:through this place of healing.
Speaker:And now psychedelics are
Speaker:here in the science side of
Speaker:it going there.
Speaker:They're studying end of life therapy.
Speaker:acceptance with psychedelics, right?
Speaker:It's not just getting through grief.
Speaker:I had a conversation,
Speaker:we had a really powerful
Speaker:podcast episode that
Speaker:might've just aired or
Speaker:something that is around
Speaker:that other side of the
Speaker:equation where end of life
Speaker:is coming and you get a
Speaker:psychedelic experience to
Speaker:get to the realization of accepting
Speaker:life beyond because that's
Speaker:part of the experience,
Speaker:the spiritual experience
Speaker:that a lot of people get.
Speaker:I believe the studies or
Speaker:something shows like
Speaker:seventy to eighty percent
Speaker:of people have a profound, mystical,
Speaker:spiritual experience,
Speaker:which to me in my own
Speaker:experience with this is
Speaker:It isn't a thought that
Speaker:there's something out there
Speaker:bigger than you.
Speaker:There's a knowing because
Speaker:you viscerally experience
Speaker:connection with nature or
Speaker:connection to spirit or it
Speaker:literally talks to you or whatever it is.
Speaker:It becomes that experience that you have.
Speaker:It's kind of like saying like, hey,
Speaker:it's the best thing ever
Speaker:when your kid is born.
Speaker:But then when your kid is born...
Speaker:And you go through it,
Speaker:then you know it's not a
Speaker:thinking anymore.
Speaker:It's a knowing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And that's what we're talking about here.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Is that knowing that realization that.
Speaker:The body can heal or the
Speaker:realization that there's
Speaker:something out there that's
Speaker:working for me.
Speaker:that I have no business
Speaker:trying to understand here.
Speaker:That's a big piece with my
Speaker:own journey work and
Speaker:helping with others is that,
Speaker:like you said, it was the acceptance,
Speaker:the release,
Speaker:the release of the attachment
Speaker:to some of this stuff.
Speaker:And I think that
Speaker:in my mind when you're in a
Speaker:journey especially with
Speaker:psychedelics is you have
Speaker:when you learn how to let
Speaker:go is when that
Speaker:profoundness happens it's
Speaker:when we try to attach to
Speaker:things and so for me that's
Speaker:been one of my lifelong
Speaker:lessons I'll stop there and
Speaker:I'll let you kind of enter
Speaker:in yeah I mean the
Speaker:resistance is the pain
Speaker:always like always and resistance within
Speaker:resisting psychedelic medicine,
Speaker:resistance within, you know, grief,
Speaker:within disease,
Speaker:within even just plans
Speaker:changing on a dime and
Speaker:having to be flexible with that.
Speaker:The resistance is the pain
Speaker:and your body will respond.
Speaker:But it's that what's great
Speaker:about psychedelic medicine
Speaker:is that that practice of
Speaker:surrendering to the medicine is
Speaker:is so reflective in your life.
Speaker:If you get into that space
Speaker:of just surrendering to the medicine,
Speaker:that is something you can integrate.
Speaker:Even that just one
Speaker:experience is something
Speaker:very profound to integrate
Speaker:within your life of that
Speaker:really releasing of the
Speaker:control and the attachment to outcomes,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:So that's one thing I wanted
Speaker:to touch on that you spoke about.
Speaker:But then you also talked
Speaker:about this beautiful thing
Speaker:where it's what I like to
Speaker:call heart logic.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:we are in our head so much
Speaker:looking for logic, looking for wisdom.
Speaker:And it's only been within
Speaker:the past year that it's
Speaker:become so clear to me about
Speaker:wisdom not existing in the head at all.
Speaker:It really only exists in the heart.
Speaker:And when we look for it in the head,
Speaker:in our minds,
Speaker:we can get so turned around
Speaker:because we can talk
Speaker:ourselves in and out about
Speaker:anything and just get all turned around,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:But it's that knowing.
Speaker:And sometimes that knowing
Speaker:doesn't have a language.
Speaker:Maybe it's a felt language, really.
Speaker:It's a felt language of the heart,
Speaker:a felt knowing.
Speaker:And sometimes it's hard for
Speaker:people to really trust that
Speaker:because they're so used to
Speaker:their mind speaking, the words speaking,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:But it's the heart speaking
Speaker:and being able to listen to that,
Speaker:that will really, like, I mean,
Speaker:you can't go wrong.
Speaker:If you get good at that,
Speaker:if you get good at
Speaker:listening to that heart logic,
Speaker:it will lead you and it will,
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:allow you to have a
Speaker:different trust in your life.
Speaker:I love that you opened up
Speaker:this portal of conversation
Speaker:because I'm having a lot of
Speaker:conversations with
Speaker:like-minded people around this one topic.
Speaker:And this is part of what I
Speaker:feel is my calling is helping men,
Speaker:especially moving from here to here,
Speaker:from the head to the heart.
Speaker:That was a big intention for
Speaker:me in Peru when I went
Speaker:through a big journey.
Speaker:But what I had to learn, Alex,
Speaker:was part of what I want to
Speaker:talk to you about,
Speaker:because you've been
Speaker:studying and working with
Speaker:people on grief and that piece, right,
Speaker:is in order for me to listen and get here,
Speaker:I knew I had to do that.
Speaker:I knew that I was too much here.
Speaker:And this is what protected me.
Speaker:But it's also been my zone of genius.
Speaker:I'm very analytical.
Speaker:I love the science of everything.
Speaker:But to get to the knowing, like you said,
Speaker:this is the conversation
Speaker:we're having of humanity is
Speaker:moving from the age of
Speaker:intelligence or intellect to intelligence,
Speaker:to knowing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And connecting the two.
Speaker:It's not one or the other.
Speaker:It's and.
Speaker:It's both.
Speaker:But you talked about grief.
Speaker:So my experience with that
Speaker:was I didn't realize that I
Speaker:had to release whatever was
Speaker:stuck here in that grief to
Speaker:get to get to the place
Speaker:where I could learn to listen to it.
Speaker:And that was a big part of me.
Speaker:So tie this into the grief part,
Speaker:like the grief of holding
Speaker:on the grief of this stuff.
Speaker:It's not just letting go here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's a visceral,
Speaker:there's a somatic component to that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:There is.
Speaker:And it's really the surrender,
Speaker:the surrender,
Speaker:the like the resistance is the pain.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So this holding on to the
Speaker:grief and we do this for a
Speaker:lot of different reasons.
Speaker:I mean, you know,
Speaker:sometimes a lot of times.
Speaker:Letting go of the grief
Speaker:makes us feel as though
Speaker:we're letting go of the person,
Speaker:as if we're turning our
Speaker:back on that person or that thing,
Speaker:whatever that is.
Speaker:And so there's a lot of work
Speaker:to do with that in
Speaker:unlearning that and really
Speaker:surrendering to this grief
Speaker:being a part of our human experience.
Speaker:We get to have,
Speaker:we get to experience this grief.
Speaker:And
Speaker:It's hard, right?
Speaker:But what's really cool about
Speaker:grief is that the pain is
Speaker:always equal to the amount
Speaker:of love that was there.
Speaker:So if you were lucky enough
Speaker:to experience the most gut wrenching,
Speaker:like kind of grief that
Speaker:makes you feel like you
Speaker:could almost die because of
Speaker:the amount of pain that you're holding.
Speaker:that just means that you
Speaker:were lucky enough to
Speaker:experience some of the most
Speaker:profound love that life could ever offer.
Speaker:And so grief really varies
Speaker:in its pain and its
Speaker:frequency that it holds within us,
Speaker:depending on what we are grieving.
Speaker:And grief doesn't just exist
Speaker:when someone's died.
Speaker:Grief is woven into the
Speaker:fabric of our lives.
Speaker:Anytime we move away from
Speaker:something that's familiar, grief exists.
Speaker:It's just a natural response
Speaker:to loss of any kind.
Speaker:So anyways, yeah, to answer your question,
Speaker:it's really it's that surrender.
Speaker:It's that release is that
Speaker:acceptance of being a part
Speaker:of our human experience and
Speaker:and allowing it to be so.
Speaker:One of my one of my favorite, I guess,
Speaker:borrowed or learned mantras is push less,
Speaker:allow more.
Speaker:This is this is the deepening of that.
Speaker:Those words have deepened.
Speaker:We've done the podcast with
Speaker:my mentor who brought that to me.
Speaker:But what you said is powerful, right?
Speaker:We're here to experience all of it.
Speaker:And the polarity of our
Speaker:existence is in order to,
Speaker:if I've grieved this much,
Speaker:this powerfully,
Speaker:that means this is the law of energy.
Speaker:That means the opposite is true.
Speaker:That means I must have
Speaker:learned to love that powerfully.
Speaker:And so it's not a cause and effect.
Speaker:It's a natural way of being.
Speaker:So look at the gift that you
Speaker:just gave in that is I'm
Speaker:grieving so much and
Speaker:holding onto that because we, yeah, again,
Speaker:the attachment, right?
Speaker:I want to hold onto that
Speaker:experience of that person.
Speaker:If I don't, if I let go of that grief,
Speaker:if I let that go,
Speaker:I'm letting that person go.
Speaker:That's a natural,
Speaker:you said it like it's
Speaker:natural for us to do that.
Speaker:We don't have to beat ourselves up.
Speaker:We can love our kindness out of it,
Speaker:but it really doesn't serve us.
Speaker:So I love, oh,
Speaker:you have so many nuggets of
Speaker:wisdom that I feel like
Speaker:we're just in this
Speaker:beautiful frequency here
Speaker:because that is it.
Speaker:It's like the surrender and
Speaker:that attachment is love.
Speaker:the medicine, right?
Speaker:The medicine of, I always say is like,
Speaker:and this is, again,
Speaker:we're bringing it back to psychedelics.
Speaker:You could do it in any different way,
Speaker:but the way that I think is
Speaker:one of the most profound,
Speaker:viscerally experiential is
Speaker:going up against that, right?
Speaker:Going up against that
Speaker:friction and resistance,
Speaker:that thing that was super
Speaker:difficult that nobody wants to do.
Speaker:I'm scared.
Speaker:I'm not going to do it.
Speaker:And all of a sudden you move through it.
Speaker:So I always say the only way
Speaker:forward is through
Speaker:And that's what you get in
Speaker:these experiences.
Speaker:And that's what you get from releasing.
Speaker:And when we talk about surrender,
Speaker:it's coming up against that.
Speaker:It's not fighting it.
Speaker:It's releasing it in a way
Speaker:like no longer serves you.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:It's a really, really powerful practice,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:It becomes this
Speaker:This practice that we have
Speaker:to practice over and over.
Speaker:And and that's the thing.
Speaker:Like I talked about how like
Speaker:healing isn't linear.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so we will have moments of resistance.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But it's how do we meet
Speaker:ourselves within those moments?
Speaker:Like that's what I talk
Speaker:about a lot within my grief
Speaker:workshops is is how to meet
Speaker:and honor and.
Speaker:and love these parts when they show up.
Speaker:And it's so important to do
Speaker:so because if we don't, right?
Speaker:And I love that you brought
Speaker:up the body keeps the score.
Speaker:Bessel van der Kolk, he lives like,
Speaker:twenty minutes from me and
Speaker:he's a great guy.
Speaker:And so anyways, I love his teachings,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:But he talks about how, you know,
Speaker:not meeting these things
Speaker:can cause physical symptoms in the body,
Speaker:like insomnia, like muscle tension,
Speaker:like headaches.
Speaker:And even, you know,
Speaker:manifests as different kind
Speaker:of diseases such as, you know,
Speaker:Hodgkin's lymphoma.
Speaker:So anyways,
Speaker:it's it's how we meet ourselves
Speaker:in these moments.
Speaker:How can we surrender and lean in?
Speaker:And so powerful.
Speaker:And yeah.
Speaker:A topic of not only discussion, but study.
Speaker:Like this is part of the
Speaker:deep dives I'm doing again, right?
Speaker:That wave, right?
Speaker:Yeah, we all need resistance.
Speaker:It's part of nature.
Speaker:It's part of who we are.
Speaker:We didn't resist some things
Speaker:just like fight or flight, right?
Speaker:If we were in
Speaker:parasympathetic rest and
Speaker:digest all the time,
Speaker:we'd get hit by a car
Speaker:because it wouldn't be that
Speaker:big of a deal for us.
Speaker:So we got to have these things that are,
Speaker:I don't like the word balance,
Speaker:but balancing, right?
Speaker:You're resisting.
Speaker:You are aware of it.
Speaker:You love it down.
Speaker:Like you love it out the door, right?
Speaker:You move it through and then you become,
Speaker:you've released.
Speaker:And then, yeah, it's a wave.
Speaker:I've been talking about the
Speaker:waves recently.
Speaker:Like, hey, everyone's like, how's life?
Speaker:And I'm like, it's great.
Speaker:And it's really challenging.
Speaker:And I'm riding the wave.
Speaker:But knowing you're riding
Speaker:the wave is part of the work, I think.
Speaker:Because part of the wave is the bottom,
Speaker:right,
Speaker:is getting smacked in the face in
Speaker:the wave,
Speaker:but then coming up again out of it.
Speaker:It's like you said,
Speaker:the journey is not linear.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah, that's so interesting.
Speaker:You talk about the wave on
Speaker:my bathroom mirror right now.
Speaker:I have written catch the wave.
Speaker:And to me, and I wrote,
Speaker:I put that on there last
Speaker:week because it's kind of
Speaker:in the idea of surrender in
Speaker:the path of least resistance in,
Speaker:in allowing the natural
Speaker:momentum of life and the
Speaker:frequency and the energy that's behind,
Speaker:like even being on your podcast, right?
Speaker:Like let, let it flow,
Speaker:like catch the weight, you know,
Speaker:like catch the opportunity, catch,
Speaker:catch whatever it is and allow,
Speaker:allow yourself to,
Speaker:to kind of to surrender to
Speaker:that to trust I get chills
Speaker:now when I hear truth it's
Speaker:it's it's part of my my
Speaker:ascension like I didn't
Speaker:feel my body like for a
Speaker:while I shoved it all down
Speaker:I died one but now that
Speaker:releases there's like what
Speaker:you just said was so
Speaker:powerful I just felt it in my body
Speaker:And so that's like my that's
Speaker:like my spidey sense now is
Speaker:like when someone has a
Speaker:capital T truth where I
Speaker:just know that it's
Speaker:actually like universally
Speaker:awesome and real.
Speaker:I get the feels now.
Speaker:It's so cool.
Speaker:So keep it going like that.
Speaker:That is that is the essence
Speaker:of this podcast.
Speaker:I don't have questions for
Speaker:people to answer.
Speaker:It's because and I have a T-shirt.
Speaker:that says happiness comes in waves.
Speaker:And I literally wore it yesterday,
Speaker:you know, but that's the,
Speaker:that's the quantum connection.
Speaker:Like if you want to go science, it's,
Speaker:it's quantum entanglement.
Speaker:We're in here talking about
Speaker:these high vibrational
Speaker:conversations that are
Speaker:helping humanity heal.
Speaker:And here we are literally it's on my wall.
Speaker:It's this,
Speaker:it's those synchronicities that real,
Speaker:when you,
Speaker:Ah, is one of my favorite words.
Speaker:And that's because for me,
Speaker:when you're in alignment, like you,
Speaker:like me,
Speaker:when we've learned to release
Speaker:what no longer serves us in
Speaker:these ways of healing, psychedelics,
Speaker:meditation, breath work,
Speaker:the stuff underneath,
Speaker:that's what we're talking about.
Speaker:And you become in that
Speaker:perfect alignment of who
Speaker:you are and where you're
Speaker:going and what you're
Speaker:supposed to be here on this planet to do.
Speaker:Because we all,
Speaker:humans all want to have purpose.
Speaker:Now,
Speaker:some purpose may not be to be
Speaker:something big like
Speaker:de-prescribing ten million
Speaker:unnecessary medications.
Speaker:It might be I'm supposed to
Speaker:be here to raise two humans
Speaker:on this planet to be the
Speaker:best humans ever.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Or I'm here to rescue dogs
Speaker:because they deserve better homes, right?
Speaker:Purpose doesn't have to be
Speaker:this magnanimous thing.
Speaker:It just happens to be what's true to you.
Speaker:And that's where I think a
Speaker:lot of these conversations go.
Speaker:Tell me from your experience,
Speaker:because this is your
Speaker:journey and your podcast today, is
Speaker:Like, tell me,
Speaker:like when you release these
Speaker:things and you found and
Speaker:there was this knowing, it's like,
Speaker:what does it feel like to
Speaker:know every day you're
Speaker:waking up doing this thing?
Speaker:Even though you're on the wave,
Speaker:you could be on a different part of it,
Speaker:but don't you still have that knowing?
Speaker:It's like, I'm here,
Speaker:I'm doing the thing I'm supposed to do.
Speaker:Yeah, it's definitely that heart logic.
Speaker:It's definitely a feeling
Speaker:within the heart.
Speaker:It's a feeling of groundedness.
Speaker:It's a feeling of trusting in the unknown.
Speaker:Definitely a lightness to it.
Speaker:But, you know,
Speaker:it's there's also it's also
Speaker:just a trust fall.
Speaker:Like it's also like really
Speaker:like trusting in the
Speaker:unknown and trusting in.
Speaker:Yeah, trusting in your path.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:It's it's it's it can be hard sometimes.
Speaker:It's it's easy and hard at the same time.
Speaker:I would say it's my favorite word.
Speaker:And great.
Speaker:Because it's not puppy dogs
Speaker:and ice cream every day.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Hopefully it's gluten-free ice cream,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:It's dairy-free ice cream.
Speaker:But it's the knowing that
Speaker:everything's going to be okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It always does, though, right?
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:It's always okay.
Speaker:If you think about life, it's always okay.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:But in the moment,
Speaker:sometimes we can get riled up.
Speaker:And I say, okay,
Speaker:what's the telescope look like,
Speaker:not the microscope?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And sometimes you got to
Speaker:look at the microscope to
Speaker:get to the like the telescope,
Speaker:the vision.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And that's that's that's the part.
Speaker:So let's talk about what you're doing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Let's your leading workshops.
Speaker:You're working with Mindbloom.
Speaker:How's that experience been for you?
Speaker:Because that's a new
Speaker:experience for some people
Speaker:who may not know about it,
Speaker:but it's like online,
Speaker:you can do these things.
Speaker:Like there's different ways
Speaker:to engage in these practices, I guess.
Speaker:What's been your experience
Speaker:with this stuff?
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I've been working with
Speaker:Mindbloom for over two
Speaker:years now as an integration coach,
Speaker:psychedelic guide.
Speaker:And I've worked with over a
Speaker:thousand clients.
Speaker:I don't know the number exactly,
Speaker:guiding them through their
Speaker:ketamine experiences.
Speaker:And
Speaker:all sorts of ages.
Speaker:I work with a lot of men and I love it.
Speaker:I know you do a lot of work with men,
Speaker:but there's something
Speaker:really cool about helping men,
Speaker:like you said,
Speaker:drop down into their hearts.
Speaker:So do a lot of that work.
Speaker:But I've loved working with Mindbloom.
Speaker:It's allowed me to practice
Speaker:my skill really
Speaker:really get very good at my skill.
Speaker:And then that has really
Speaker:bled into my private
Speaker:practice and me working with clients,
Speaker:mostly with cannabis,
Speaker:doing three and five hour
Speaker:cannabis experiences.
Speaker:I was trained to work with
Speaker:cannabis as a psychedelic
Speaker:medicine through the Center
Speaker:for Medicinal Mindfulness.
Speaker:That's the first medicine I
Speaker:was really ever trained to work with.
Speaker:Also trained to work with
Speaker:psilocybin and ketamine.
Speaker:But yeah,
Speaker:Mindbloom has just given me so
Speaker:much validity within the
Speaker:field and also just
Speaker:allowing me to touch
Speaker:people's lives and to
Speaker:practice my skill in a way
Speaker:that's really profound.
Speaker:Well, it gave you the reps, like you said.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:we learn through experience
Speaker:and multiple experiences it
Speaker:was just I was
Speaker:contemplating on this the
Speaker:other day I was like trying
Speaker:to define what I do because
Speaker:everyone always asks you
Speaker:what you do but mine's like
Speaker:so multi-dimensional I
Speaker:can't be like oh I'm just a
Speaker:pharmacist and a functional
Speaker:guy it's like no I do
Speaker:something different but
Speaker:then I was thinking about
Speaker:how many hours I've devoted
Speaker:to studying this science
Speaker:and art and wisdom of
Speaker:healing and it was like
Speaker:And then it came to me.
Speaker:It was like, oh,
Speaker:when they say you're a
Speaker:master at something,
Speaker:it's about ten thousand
Speaker:hours of practice.
Speaker:And I went back in my whole
Speaker:journey of life and I'm like, well,
Speaker:I think I hit that mark
Speaker:because I've been studying this.
Speaker:Not because I'm doing it.
Speaker:It's just because it's part of me.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so that's what came to
Speaker:me when you're like mind blown.
Speaker:I've felt thousands of people like, well,
Speaker:now it's becomes.
Speaker:It becomes subconscious,
Speaker:just healing and helping
Speaker:people because it's natural.
Speaker:You're just doing it.
Speaker:And now you're doing it in
Speaker:your own practice.
Speaker:You have your own practice.
Speaker:How do people find that?
Speaker:So I have a website, higherhealing.co.
Speaker:I sent it to you.
Speaker:So it should be linked for
Speaker:anyone who wants to check it out.
Speaker:You can also find me on
Speaker:LinkedIn and you can also
Speaker:email me at findhigherhealing.com.
Speaker:At gmail.com.
Speaker:Find higher healing at gmail.com.
Speaker:Higher healing.co.
Speaker:Cause now we have different dots.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:And you're doing workshops now too.
Speaker:I am.
Speaker:So I'm not.
Speaker:Individually.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Or do you do group and individual or just.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And individual.
Speaker:So in my private practice,
Speaker:it is mostly individual.
Speaker:Although I do offer, you know, group,
Speaker:group workshops.
Speaker:If people do want to, you know,
Speaker:take advantage of that.
Speaker:And then.
Speaker:I'm going to be working with
Speaker:Miraval Resorts in the Berkshires.
Speaker:They're a big wellness
Speaker:resort out here in the Berkshires.
Speaker:And I'm going to start
Speaker:leading grief and loss workshops.
Speaker:So I've already started, you know,
Speaker:demoing my workshops with them.
Speaker:And it's all very full circle for me.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:what started me on this journey
Speaker:was my sister passing away, right?
Speaker:That led me to the
Speaker:psychedelic work and to all
Speaker:of this healing.
Speaker:And then, you know,
Speaker:I'm back living in my
Speaker:hometown and I'm going to
Speaker:be leading grief and loss
Speaker:workshops a street over
Speaker:from the house I grew up in.
Speaker:So it's pretty, pretty profound.
Speaker:I feel really grateful.
Speaker:And it's,
Speaker:it's moments like this and
Speaker:experiences like this that
Speaker:allow the trust in the path
Speaker:to really increase, right?
Speaker:Like our minds change through experience,
Speaker:through new experiences
Speaker:that allow new feelings to
Speaker:allow us to have new feelings,
Speaker:that those feelings create new thoughts.
Speaker:Dr. Joe Dispenza talks a lot about this,
Speaker:but it's like that
Speaker:evolution of the mind
Speaker:really starts with allowing
Speaker:ourselves to have new experiences,
Speaker:doing the scary thing, right?
Speaker:And then having that experience,
Speaker:doing the scary thing that
Speaker:will change that feeling of
Speaker:what that scary thing may
Speaker:have felt like in your mind
Speaker:that allows you to have a
Speaker:new thought that's connected to that.
Speaker:So when I gave my first, um,
Speaker:you know, workshop demo.
Speaker:I thought it was like the
Speaker:scariest thing I've ever done.
Speaker:And then after I did it, I was like,
Speaker:that was not the scariest
Speaker:thing I've ever done.
Speaker:That was like so fun, right?
Speaker:But if I had let myself be
Speaker:scared enough to not do it
Speaker:because it was going to be
Speaker:the scariest thing I've ever done,
Speaker:I would have never known
Speaker:that it wouldn't have been,
Speaker:that it wasn't, you know what I mean?
Speaker:So.
Speaker:A hundred percent.
Speaker:And I think I literally,
Speaker:I had a coffee conversation
Speaker:this morning about that topic.
Speaker:really about but it was from
Speaker:an entrepreneurial
Speaker:perspective because we were
Speaker:talking about entrepreneurs
Speaker:and a lot of entrepreneurs
Speaker:take that leap that leap
Speaker:into the unknown the same
Speaker:thing I've studied dr joe
Speaker:underneath them like I I
Speaker:understand this concept
Speaker:that he eloquently says
Speaker:it's just it's ancient
Speaker:wisdom in modern science
Speaker:but the thinking from
Speaker:thinking to doing is a big step
Speaker:And I've learned,
Speaker:you've said the word unknown a few times,
Speaker:but I've grown, let's call it,
Speaker:I've grown to love the unknown.
Speaker:And it's because that's
Speaker:where creation happens.
Speaker:Dr. Joe talks about it,
Speaker:but other people talk about it.
Speaker:It's like the present moment
Speaker:is the unknown.
Speaker:It's that sweet spot.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And that's what you're saying is like,
Speaker:it's full circle.
Speaker:Like, I, I, my my sister passed away,
Speaker:I grieved, I got cancer,
Speaker:I got to this place, I got to this place.
Speaker:And now here I am.
Speaker:Oh, I'm right where I started.
Speaker:And and I'm here doing
Speaker:things that I was terrified
Speaker:of that now I love I found
Speaker:that I love to do.
Speaker:I did the same thing.
Speaker:I was like,
Speaker:I've been on stage and I did a
Speaker:keynote for a
Speaker:hundreds of people and I was
Speaker:terrified because I've
Speaker:spoken on stage but when
Speaker:you get to the place where
Speaker:you're like on a big stage
Speaker:you're like holy shit this
Speaker:is different you know and
Speaker:getting out of it but it
Speaker:was the best talk I've ever
Speaker:done everybody wanted to do
Speaker:the thing I wanted them to
Speaker:do and it was so beautiful and i
Speaker:The feeling you have after, again,
Speaker:we're talking full circle here,
Speaker:going up against and
Speaker:through that fear of the unknown,
Speaker:because that's really what it was.
Speaker:Like, oh, am I going to bomb?
Speaker:Is somebody going to like me?
Speaker:What if, what if, what if, what if?
Speaker:And I took that courage step.
Speaker:And that's the conversation
Speaker:I had this morning with my
Speaker:friend is not everyone
Speaker:takes that courage step.
Speaker:Like, and that's where you say, like,
Speaker:if I'm clear on what and
Speaker:why I'm doing it,
Speaker:I don't know how,
Speaker:I don't know when I just
Speaker:throw those out the window now,
Speaker:but then I do it.
Speaker:And then the breadcrumbs
Speaker:start falling in place.
Speaker:Like the, you know, for you, it's the,
Speaker:the Mirabelle Berkshires
Speaker:resort and spa found you.
Speaker:And now you're doing grief
Speaker:work workshops and you're
Speaker:in your zone of genius,
Speaker:helping the world and
Speaker:putting this ripple into
Speaker:healing people through your
Speaker:experience which is so
Speaker:beautiful thank you yeah
Speaker:well what else like this
Speaker:has got to keep going here
Speaker:we got yeah yeah I do well
Speaker:you were talking about
Speaker:creation um really quick
Speaker:and you know being that
Speaker:like creation being in that
Speaker:present moment right and so
Speaker:being an active participant
Speaker:in that creation you know
Speaker:we are so quick to create
Speaker:like it being a negative
Speaker:experience in our mind,
Speaker:like it being the scariest
Speaker:thing that's ever happened,
Speaker:us bombing or whatever that is, you know,
Speaker:that's us being a part of
Speaker:our creation as much as
Speaker:being in our heads and saying,
Speaker:this is going to be the
Speaker:best talk I ever get.
Speaker:This is going to be such a
Speaker:great talk with Josh today, which I did,
Speaker:I did say before I declared
Speaker:it before we got on today,
Speaker:because I want to be an
Speaker:active creator in my life in,
Speaker:in this human experience and,
Speaker:that we are in together.
Speaker:And I really believe that, you know,
Speaker:declaring how we want
Speaker:things to go and declaring
Speaker:like how we want our lives
Speaker:to be created really works.
Speaker:I really think it works.
Speaker:And there's an allowing too, right?
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:Because you can get on
Speaker:either spectrum of that.
Speaker:It's like if you get into
Speaker:the space of like the ego
Speaker:pushing that agenda versus
Speaker:allowing it to happen.
Speaker:So that's why it's this balanced thing,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:It's always in some levels.
Speaker:I have no idea how to
Speaker:explain it with words, which is okay.
Speaker:But like the word and.
Speaker:The word and has such a deep
Speaker:meaning for me because we
Speaker:are the creator of our experience, right?
Speaker:And that positive intention
Speaker:and looping the positivity
Speaker:creates the experience.
Speaker:You know, there's science and quantum and,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:Dr. Joe and everybody else in
Speaker:this space of like, you are the creator,
Speaker:but you got to match that
Speaker:frequency of that event or that thing.
Speaker:And you got to get to the
Speaker:feels in order for the
Speaker:thought to become the reality.
Speaker:We know more about that.
Speaker:And at the same time,
Speaker:I think we're just scratched
Speaker:the surface of our possibilities.
Speaker:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker:Because we are, we are,
Speaker:we're these divine beings that get to,
Speaker:you said that word too,
Speaker:that get to experience all
Speaker:of it and create all of it.
Speaker:We are the creators of our own existence,
Speaker:of our own experience.
Speaker:And here we are talking about
Speaker:I was in a sweat lodge in
Speaker:South Carolina last year.
Speaker:You would have never thought
Speaker:this place was a place for
Speaker:healing and transformation and energy,
Speaker:but it was.
Speaker:And I was there and she had
Speaker:a phrase that says together,
Speaker:but not the same.
Speaker:And so here we are talking
Speaker:about our life's experiences,
Speaker:having that same pathway,
Speaker:but very different.
Speaker:So it's been a togetherness
Speaker:like we've had our similar
Speaker:stories because they're
Speaker:energetically matching,
Speaker:like they're energetically
Speaker:in this entanglement of
Speaker:energetic frequency and vibration.
Speaker:However,
Speaker:your journey was very different
Speaker:situationally than mine,
Speaker:but we both got to that same full circle.
Speaker:oh,
Speaker:here I am doing everything that I've
Speaker:ever wanted to do.
Speaker:It's really difficult.
Speaker:And at the same time,
Speaker:it's the best thing ever.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker:That's exactly where I'm at.
Speaker:Yeah, and you too.
Speaker:Yeah, I love that.
Speaker:What did you say, together?
Speaker:Together, but not the same.
Speaker:Together, but not the same.
Speaker:Yeah, that's really, I love that.
Speaker:And it reminds me of
Speaker:something I talk about with
Speaker:my clients is putting on different lenses,
Speaker:like within psychedelic work, within,
Speaker:you know, different kinds of, you know,
Speaker:somatic work and meditation,
Speaker:things like that.
Speaker:We can access different perspectives,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:Different ways of viewing our own reality,
Speaker:our own experience.
Speaker:And so how do we widen our lens?
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:how do we go from like these narrow
Speaker:lenses that many people have
Speaker:to this wider lens and how
Speaker:do we keep widening it or
Speaker:keep putting on different
Speaker:lenses that we have a whole series,
Speaker:that we have a whole
Speaker:collection of lenses we can
Speaker:try on throughout our lives
Speaker:that allow us to have these
Speaker:different perspectives and experiences.
Speaker:Well, I think it's being open, right?
Speaker:Being open and, well, one,
Speaker:aware that there is another perspective.
Speaker:And two, being open to them,
Speaker:because I love that.
Speaker:And maybe some people are just inherently,
Speaker:but I feel...
Speaker:that just as humans,
Speaker:we're moving toward this
Speaker:place of multidimensional.
Speaker:And I'm a very neurodivergent thinker.
Speaker:I think of things from different ways.
Speaker:And sometimes it's difficult
Speaker:because people can't see what I see.
Speaker:That's okay.
Speaker:So I have to be really
Speaker:focused on one pathway sometimes.
Speaker:But what you're talking
Speaker:about is really where I
Speaker:feel our evolution as a species is going.
Speaker:We're not linear beings anymore.
Speaker:We're moving,
Speaker:and that can be esoteric and
Speaker:woo to some people,
Speaker:but a lot of the listeners
Speaker:probably understand that
Speaker:because that's where we are.
Speaker:We're in this space of this
Speaker:conscious awareness that
Speaker:things aren't always here.
Speaker:I also like teaching people
Speaker:of the things we've forgotten.
Speaker:Part of healing is remembering,
Speaker:remembering where we came from.
Speaker:The ancients of old have
Speaker:known this for thousands of
Speaker:years that the body can heal itself.
Speaker:through thought, through breath work,
Speaker:through like they were
Speaker:doing somatic pineal gland
Speaker:popping breath work as
Speaker:yogis a thousand years ago, right?
Speaker:But we forgot it because we
Speaker:thought that we could think
Speaker:our way through the whole thing.
Speaker:And now we're re-remembering
Speaker:that there's a whole nother
Speaker:part of our existence that
Speaker:should be felt.
Speaker:All of it, like you said, the good,
Speaker:the bad,
Speaker:if you want to look at it that way,
Speaker:it's just polarity.
Speaker:There is no bad or good.
Speaker:It just is.
Speaker:And we're here to feel it all.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's our privilege in life, I feel.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:I love that part that you said,
Speaker:which is really important
Speaker:because it was wisdom in there.
Speaker:I think that's the lesson I
Speaker:learned today was really
Speaker:looking at that grief and
Speaker:all the stuff that's been
Speaker:difficult in our lives is
Speaker:in order for us to have
Speaker:feeling that we would have
Speaker:had to feel not the
Speaker:opposite or the polar of that,
Speaker:which is all the good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Which is what they say when
Speaker:you fall in love.
Speaker:And if something happens is like,
Speaker:it's better to have love
Speaker:than to not love at all.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:You'd be, you'd be in meth world.
Speaker:What's who wants to be there?
Speaker:I'm all right.
Speaker:Whatever.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So playing it safe in life, right?
Speaker:Trying to protect ourselves.
Speaker:A lot of people do this, you know,
Speaker:trying to keep yourself
Speaker:safe in order to prevent pain,
Speaker:which is a natural human experience,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:is just preventing you from
Speaker:experiencing the greatest parts of life.
Speaker:So the safety that you're
Speaker:keeping yourself in,
Speaker:like keeping yourself safe,
Speaker:is it really that safe?
Speaker:You know, because like, is being safe,
Speaker:being kept away from the greatest love,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:The greatest friendship,
Speaker:the greatest experiences, you know, it's,
Speaker:yeah, I guess trusting in that unknown,
Speaker:again, you know, comes back to that.
Speaker:What a beautiful way to
Speaker:pause this conversation,
Speaker:because I think we'll have many more.
Speaker:This has been a beautiful conversation.
Speaker:I think we could probably
Speaker:riff for another couple hours,
Speaker:but we have to go back to
Speaker:some other things we need
Speaker:to do in this world.
Speaker:You have to help more people.
Speaker:I have to help more people.
Speaker:I love that you're a guide
Speaker:in these people's journeys for healing,
Speaker:transformation, and
Speaker:And that curiosity that you
Speaker:keep and that aura and that
Speaker:sense that you have of like, you know,
Speaker:you're in the right place.
Speaker:So thank you so much for
Speaker:showing up the way you show
Speaker:up in this world, Alex.
Speaker:It's been amazing conversation.
Speaker:Go check her out, higherhealing.co.
Speaker:If you're curious,
Speaker:I think the world needs an
Speaker:army of Alex's out there because we're
Speaker:The world needs more healing
Speaker:and you're doing it in the right way.
Speaker:So thank you for what you're doing.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker:It was so fun and awesome to
Speaker:talk to you today.
Speaker:Oh, I love how these things go.
Speaker:It's so amazing.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Fortunately and unfortunately,
Speaker:that's a wrap.
Speaker:Until next time, stay well.
Speaker:All right.
