Episode 68

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16th May 2025

#68: Pain-Free Life After Chronic Suffering: The Power of Regenerative Therapies With Mark Durante, CEO of Rize Up Medical

Pain-Free Life After Chronic Suffering: The Power of Regenerative Therapies

In this episode of Beyond the Pills, we sit down with Mark Durante, Founder and CEO of Rize Up Medical, to explore the future of regenerative medicine and its potential to transform patient care. Mark has dedicated his career to helping medical practitioners integrate cutting-edge biologic therapies into their practices, empowering them to achieve exceptional patient outcomes while maximizing profitability.

Join us as we discuss:

✅ How Mark turned a health crisis into a passion for regenerative medicine

✅ Why traditional treatments often miss the root causes of chronic health issues

✅ The RIZE Method and how it’s reshaping healthcare

✅ Practical steps for embracing holistic healing and proactive wellness

If you or someone you know is looking for a pain-free life beyond conventional medicine, this conversation is a must-listen!

🔗 Connect with Mark:

🌐 Website: Rize Up Medical

🔗 LinkedIn: Mark Durante

📩 Email: mark@rizeupmedical.com

🎧 Tune in and discover the next frontier in healthcare!

Transcript
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welcome welcome uh welcome

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to this episode today my

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name is josh rimini

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pharmacist turned healer

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and today I have a really

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special guest uh mark

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durante he is the founder

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and ceo of rise up medical

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which is a company

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dedicated to empowering

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medical practitioners to

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incorporate cutting-edge

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regenerative therapies into

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their practices

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enhancing patient care and

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transforming lives.

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Mark helps practitioners

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identify and integrate

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innovative biological

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products into their practices.

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Focusing on doing

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exceptional patient

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outcomes while maximizing

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profit at the same time,

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which is what I've been

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teaching pharmacists for a

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very long time.

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I'm welcome.

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Welcome Mark Durante.

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Well, thank you, Josh.

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I appreciate you being here.

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And of course,

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this is going to be a wild

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conversation as we kind of talk.

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Up you there, Josh.

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Oh, you're there.

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All good.

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Yep.

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Perfect.

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Perfect.

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I said, well, thank you, Josh.

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I appreciate it.

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This is going to be a wild

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conversation because just

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like you've been trying to

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teach pharmacists,

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I tell people this has been

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kind of a couch conversation with God,

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or as you like to call him, Gus.

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Where I started kind of

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thinking in my own health situation is,

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hey, God,

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is this some sort of sick joke

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that after a heart transplant,

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I'm literally near

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disability when I ran into

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this regenerative space?

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And

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It ultimately turned into a

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passion project.

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And I know you and I have so

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much that we can talk about here.

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But that is how the company

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Rise Up Medical came about,

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because it was all about

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elevating physicians and

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elevating patient care.

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Well,

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and your story is pretty compelling

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as it relates to your own

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personal health journey.

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So if you don't mind,

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let's dive in and see, like,

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let's get to that origin.

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Let's talk about where you

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came from and how this

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thing evolved for you.

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Yeah, well, you know, I've been doing,

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you know,

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I really spent a lot of time

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launching laser and radio

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frequency technologies in

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the medical aesthetic space

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back in the late nineties,

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all the way up till the

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moment I wound up having a

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heart related issue.

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The reality is that it

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started with the simplicity

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of getting neuropathy that

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nobody could explain.

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Through trying to go through

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all the diagnosis to try

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and figure out what was causing this,

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it was discovered that I

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had a heart issue.

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By the time I figured it out,

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I was at half the heart function.

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Now, fast forward about three years,

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I suddenly go from a half

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heart function to I walk

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into a hospital with a five

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percent ejection fraction.

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I mean, the doctor looked at me and said,

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I don't know how you're

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talking to me and I don't

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even know how you walked

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into the hospital.

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And ultimately,

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that led me to be put on

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the transplant list.

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I went through a heart

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transplant about ten months later.

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And honestly,

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I went through a little bit more of a.

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more difficult challenging

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thing there because I wound

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up having to have two lvad

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surgeries just to get to

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the heart transplant and

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ultimately was about two

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days from dying is what the

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doctors told me when a

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heart came through but

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you'd think that that was

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the end of my story and

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ultimately after the heart

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transplant we thought that

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the neuropathy would go

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away because in most cases

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The blood flow is not

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getting to the feet and the legs.

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And so it just naturally

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leads to nerve degeneration.

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And as time went on after

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the heart transplant,

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I wound up getting worse

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with the neuropathy.

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So worse that I was on six

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hundred seventy five

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milligrams of Lyrica.

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tramadol and hydrocodone

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just to circumvent the pain

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and there was a time in

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that period where I was

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starting to have

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discussions with

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practitioners about going

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on disability because I

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didn't know how I could

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function on a daily basis I

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mean just even doing a

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simple exercise routine

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took me three days to

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recover and it was at that

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point in a desperation that

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I was working on a project

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with an orthopedic surgeon

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who'd been in stem cell therapy

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And we were just having a

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after hours conversation.

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And he said, Mark, look,

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I'm going to be honest with you.

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If I couldn't get your

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disease completely reversed

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with some sort of regenerative therapy,

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I bet you I could get you

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part of the way.

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And so it was at that moment

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and it purely was desperation.

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I said, let's do it.

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And it and that kind of led

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me down the path of

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regenerative medicine

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because I started in one

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avenue where I was taking from self.

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you know,

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in more of an autologous fashion.

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And I think you and I will

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probably talk about that in

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the future to a point that

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led me down to doing more

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of an allogeneic or from a

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donor tissue in order to

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regenerate my body to the

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fullest it is now.

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And when I say regenerate,

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I probably say to people,

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I'm about ninety four,

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ninety five percent better

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than what I was just

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sitting there eight years ago.

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And the reason why I like to put out there,

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ninety five percent is

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because I still deal with a

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little bit of neuropathy,

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but it's manageable to the

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fact that I haven't been on

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medication in over two years.

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And I did that all just through biologics.

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And, you know,

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but what happens is when

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those areas kind of get comfortable,

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Josh,

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just start working on other

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areas so I started moving

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to my spine I started

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moving to my knees my

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shoulders and just started

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to do a total body

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rejuvenation and then that

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led me into a whole bunch

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of other elements which you

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talk about on your show

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which I love because the

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story is about a body mind

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and spirit you know

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experience and I think it uh

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I think this is a great

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segue for us to kind of

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bring in a multitude of

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things that was along the way.

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Because even today,

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biologics just isn't the only thing.

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I constantly am doing mental

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work to try and improve myself.

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I'm also engaged in other

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supplementation like NAD, methylene blue,

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ozone therapy, you name it.

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All these things that are

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playing a big role in the

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regenerative or longevity

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field in order to make sure

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I feel good every single day.

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I love it.

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It's amazing because, you know,

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I love the synchronicities, right?

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The things that are

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happening in your life

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because you were two days away from,

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uh-oh, what the hell am I going to do?

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To I got a heart.

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I went into it.

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and I thought everything was

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going to be good.

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And then the neuropathy didn't go away.

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It was almost like there was

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still this imprint,

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this thing that happened.

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And then all of a sudden it's like,

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then you,

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you randomly fell into this orthopedic.

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He started talking to you

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about regenerative therapies.

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And all of a sudden it's

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just like the pathway just

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unfolded for you in this

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beautiful synchronistic way.

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Right.

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And,

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It does.

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It does.

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I always say this now, Mark.

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It's just funny.

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It's like you can't make this stuff up,

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right?

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You just can't.

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No.

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No, you can't.

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And so I want to talk to

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people because I'm not sure everybody,

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you know,

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regenerative therapies have gone

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a long way in a short period of time.

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Like I'm familiar with them

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just because of my wife's

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health conditions.

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She had some torn labrums in

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her hips and everything.

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we've gone through PRP and

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stem cell and it was the wild west.

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Like let's say a ten years ago where,

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you know,

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she's getting spinal taps and

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like figuring out how to

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like get her own stuff and

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spin it and move it.

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And it was just,

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it was almost like I was in a sci-fi film,

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like moving in that way.

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And we've gone a long way since then,

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right?

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oh huge huge and and as a

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matter of fact that's how I

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started out kind of the

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same way your wife did

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because my first therapy

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was actually taking stem

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cells from my bone marrow

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and I remember the

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orthopedic looking at me

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and just kind of in a

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joking fashion he's like

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mark look at the end of the

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day with all the trauma

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you've been through your

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bone marrow is garbage

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But he goes, it's the wisdom of your body.

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And he goes,

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I'm going to have to mix this

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with something else,

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which is going to be more

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of a placental or umbilical

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cord type of tissue that

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basically has an element of

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youth to it because your

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body has the wisdom,

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but we need the energy in

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order to start the repair process.

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And so that kind of clicked with me.

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And I thought, okay,

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that makes a lot of sense.

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So right there, in a sense,

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there's a combination of

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therapy that's already

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being developed that nobody

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even talked about.

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And frankly, Josh,

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at that point in my life,

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I had been in medicine for

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eighteen years and didn't

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even know these therapies were available.

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And that was kind of how the

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creation this turned into a

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passion project,

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because I'm sitting down there going,

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I'm in extreme pain.

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I'm miserable.

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Like,

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I don't want to I don't want to make

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it sound suicidal.

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It was you just don't want

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to be there living in that type of life.

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I literally would.

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That's where I sat on the

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couch with God and I'm like going,

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is this some sort of sick joke?

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Like you have me survive a

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heart transplant.

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To be sitting on the couch

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now in severe pain, disabled,

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hopped up on medication,

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watching Netflix for the rest of my life.

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And you have to realize I

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was forty four at the time.

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So I still felt like I had a

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lot of life ahead of me.

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So that's scary, you know,

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to be going through all that.

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And so in that desperation,

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the mind just opens.

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And if you become receptive,

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these sort of solutions

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started to transpire.

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And I was just blessed that

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I walked into somebody that

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had already been doing stem

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cell research.

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it started a revolution in

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my mind to start a

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revolution inside our company.

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Well, I love that because, you know, when,

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when we're receptive right there,

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and I love how your

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orthopedic was already

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attached to the energetics of it all.

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Right.

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He was moving,

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not just like cells in the body.

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Like the reason regenerative

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medicine works,

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which I don't think a lot

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of people understand is the

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body knows that

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You're giving it these tools,

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this ammunition for the

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body to go heal itself.

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Like a lot of the things

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that I've learned over and

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traveled the world with is

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this whole process.

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This is why this version of

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the podcast is doing great

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right now because it's

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blending ancient wisdom

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with modern science for true healing.

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Right.

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This and I love your your

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story is amazing because

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all of us that are in this

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world to create a

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difference is there's a

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story attached to that.

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Right.

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Like, oh, my gosh,

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I'm sitting on the couch going,

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I was saved.

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I got a new heart.

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and then the question is is

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is this it right is this it

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is this all that I got like

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is there anything more and

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then all of a sudden the

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questions started revealing

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answers for you like that I

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just say it's called it's

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part of the hero journey

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right this journey of holy

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crap it wasn't the heart

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I'm still here learning

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what I'm supposed to learn

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and now through my

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through my you know

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aesthetics and laser you're

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looking at already

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regenerative things so

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you're you're already

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attached to that whole

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system right of using these

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practitioners and then

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these new novel approaches

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of regenerative therapies

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came to you you were healed

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and now you felt compelled

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to help others right that's

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correct that's correct and

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you know what and that's

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where rise up medical came

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from so let's let's dive in

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a little bit on

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regenerative therapies because I think

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practitioners like you said

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it's still kind of like I

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wouldn't even call it

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fringy it's not even

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pseudoscience but you know

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a lot of people back in the

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day thought this stuff was

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only for like professional

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athletes they'd go across

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the country they'd go

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overseas they'd get these

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therapies they'd come back

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but now we're at the modern

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day side of this in our

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country that you're

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providing these solutions

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to practitioners

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So they can now run.

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So let's talk exosomes.

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Let's talk PRP.

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Let's talk some of these

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language for for listeners.

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We have practitioners that

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might be interested,

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but we also have people.

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And I want them to kind of

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understand that there

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there's this new era that's out here.

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Right.

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This isn't.

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Correct.

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It's accessible now.

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Right.

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And we're getting cleaner.

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We're getting more advanced.

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We're getting these

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technologies to come through.

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And like you said,

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it's it's stuff that we're

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using to let the body go do

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what it's supposed to do.

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That's, that's correct.

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And, you know,

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I think an easy starting

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point is PRP because I

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think that's where most

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people are familiar.

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You know, you go into an office,

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you present yourself on the injury.

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The doctor says,

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we've got a regenerative

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therapy that I think will work.

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It's called PRP.

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Well,

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PRP basically starts with you drawing

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your own blood down or

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drawing your own blood,

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spinning it down so that

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you can get that kind of

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platelet rich blood.

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you know, the PRP side of things.

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And then what you're doing,

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you're getting all those

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regenerative or bioactive

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molecules that are in the

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platelets and you're

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re-injecting them at a point of injury.

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At that point,

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the body literally goes back

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to restoring itself.

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Now,

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the challenge with PRP is the fact

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that PRP has a very limited

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amount of biologically

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active molecules that can

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help in that repair.

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And in a lot of repairs,

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there's so many different

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facets that could be

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involved in creating a final end result.

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that we start trying to look at, well,

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what's the next best thing?

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And that was kind of what

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happened in my journey

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because when I'm looking at

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this bone marrow, I'm going,

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what's the next best thing?

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At one point, I hit a plateau.

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And we see that in PRP that

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oftentimes people will hit a plateau.

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because they're relying on

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their own body and at that

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point most of us are aged

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and so is the blood that

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we're utilizing and so it's

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just not as rich as it once

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used to be so now we've got

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to go find a new source so

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then we started moving into

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platelet-rich fibrin and

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that was where we were kind

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of starting to take that

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prp and convert it back

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into what we would consider

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more of a plasma gel

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What that did is that kind

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of created the sticky

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factor that you had with

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the platelets so that they

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would adhere and stay in

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place and work for a longer

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period of time.

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At that point,

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now you're getting this

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release of biologically

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active ingredients coming

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out of those platelets,

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and they're just there for

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a longer period of time,

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creating an even better

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healing than what we got with PRP.

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And then all of a sudden enters exosomes,

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right, Josh?

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I mean,

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this is kind of what that new

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evolution started to take place is that

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exosomes now carry a even

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greater array of biological

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proteins that can create repair.

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When we look at that

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exosomes to really give you

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a little bit of a backend story,

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an exosome is basically a

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carrier vehicle.

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It's how cells communicate

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with one another.

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Just think of it like a little bubble.

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The way I oftentimes give a description is,

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think of it like a water balloon.

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That water balloon is just

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an encapsulated envelope,

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but what's in it is all

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those rich biological ingredients.

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And so if these balloons

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will move from cell to cell

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to drop off their

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ingredients and communicate

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with cells to help them

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restore themselves so that

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they function at a more optimal rate.

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When that cell then operates

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more optimally,

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it produces more proteins

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that it can then send

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around the body through

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these little exosomes or

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carrier vehicles to

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continue the repair process.

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And then ultimately after exosomes,

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you start to get into stem cells,

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which stem cells, that is the powerhouse.

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And every stem cell has an exosome.

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So we're kind of using both

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in this field of regenerative medicine.

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And they're coming in different forms.

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They're coming in exosomes,

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which are just little

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packets of proteins that

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were in the stem cells,

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to acellular stem cells,

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which is kind of like,

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think of it as the

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collection of all the soup

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inside of a stem cell,

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but it doesn't carry the wall.

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It doesn't carry that balloon structure.

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And then you think of as a stem cell,

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which is the entire structure.

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It's a whole living

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structure that can morph into anything.

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So it is when you do this,

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that kind of becomes the

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hierarchy of what we're

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seeing here is PRP, platelet-rich fibrin,

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exosomes, acellular stem cells,

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and stem cells.

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Honestly,

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the acellular world is actually

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playing an even bigger role

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now than the whole cell stem cell.

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These are things that are

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available right here in the United States,

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just like you talked about.

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I have friends right now

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that travel to Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica,

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not even realizing that the

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therapies are available

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right here in the United States.

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So it's,

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it's an interesting point and the

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way I like it to, to really talk to it,

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you know,

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pharmacists are really good at

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taking some complex ideas

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and bringing them pretty simply.

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Right.

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Correct.

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We all know when we cut our finger and.

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That the finger heals, right?

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The finger heals because, you know,

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the platelets come in,

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they're full of good stuff

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and the body just knows what to do.

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It's repairing itself.

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Sometimes we get a scar and

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it's over repairing and

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that type of thing.

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But we know that our body

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has the ability to send

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these immune response

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things in and heal it.

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And moving it from those,

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and then we're talking

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things like exosomes,

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which are packets of information.

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So just think of like, you know,

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packets of information that

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you're getting in a

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download from your computer.

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It's like they're little

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packets and it's moving it

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and building it, right?

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It's kind of like a download.

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Correct.

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You know,

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we all have one of these and we

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all get our uploads.

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Right.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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The stem cells.

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And I want to talk a little

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bit about the a cellular

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components where this stuff comes from.

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And all that stuff is stem

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cells are like the the the

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building blocks of everything.

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Right.

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It's like that's correct.

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From a stem.

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And then it and then it the body.

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This is how I love.

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Like we have the most

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sophisticated system in the entire world,

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and it's called our bodies.

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It's like the body knows

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that it's supposed to grow

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over here and do this thing

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and do this thing.

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So when we're adding these

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stem cells to these specific areas,

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there's still this innate

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intelligence that we still

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don't know how that's happening.

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And that's okay because, yes,

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I call it God, God, universe, spirit,

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God.

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Yes.

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There's something out there we don't know,

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but we know when we put

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these beautiful packets of

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information into a space

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that it actually helps heal.

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So what are we talking about here?

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Because we're talking aesthetics,

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but we're also talking

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regenerative medicine.

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In other words,

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there's a lot of longevity.

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People listen to this

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podcast and other podcasts.

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What types of applications

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are you now seeing?

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Because you're providing these

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Let's call them substances for now,

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but these regenerative

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things to providers so they can, in fact,

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help their patients, right?

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So what types of things have

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you seen in this modern day

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with all this stuff?

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You know, it is,

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I will say this because one

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of our products has an IRB

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in which that it was

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actually a transplant

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cardiologist who was the

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lead investigator on it.

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And we were looking at both

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acute and chronic cases and

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they evolved around cardiology, diabetes,

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autoimmune, orthopedic, neurological.

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pulmonary or lung urology

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aesthetic viral like you

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name it if you just go on

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to pubmed or you go into

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nature.com or stemcell.com

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you're going to find all

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kinds of literature talking

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about every application

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currently we're working

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with physicians that are

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helping patients that are

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have ALS, MS, these autoimmune,

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both neurological type cases.

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And then we're going over to

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helping people with their sexual health,

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whether it's erectile

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dysfunction or it's female

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sexual wellness.

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We're getting into hair restoration.

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And recently we created a

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product using your own PRP where

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it's become a new biological filler.

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So instead of using a synthetic filler,

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now we can actually use a

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more natural ingredient to

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restore youth in any part of your body.

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So it is,

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and it just so turns out that

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those same applications

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that we're using as a

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biological filler can be

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modified to be used in

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orthopedics and pain

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management to start helping

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with pain related issues

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and ortho and joint related

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sports injuries.

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So

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the you know if a stem cell

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created all I think at the

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end of the day these

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biologics whether it's a

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part of it or it is uh or

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it's a stem cell as a whole

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is going to come back to

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play a significant role in

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restoring the majority of

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what we're dealing with and

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josh you talk about it in

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your podcast as well you

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know this is a supplementation program

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And so when we look at this,

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all that we're really

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trying to do is supplement

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these sort of biologics

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back into the body because

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we already have the roadmap

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in order to get this done.

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And one of the big

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contributors that we see

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that's playing a crucial

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role is the development of

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inflammation in the body.

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And we know that

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inflammation ultimately equals disease.

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So if we can use something

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to try and reverse the

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inflammatory process in the body,

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then we can offset a lot of

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the disease from ever showing up

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Or maybe even, I think,

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and let me say this,

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my ultimate goal in trying

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to bring education to this

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field is that we all die

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naturally and functionally.

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We don't have to die of disease.

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So at that point there,

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we're trying to bring awareness,

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not just to the biologics,

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but also the additional

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supplements that are out

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there that can play a role

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because stem cells, exosomes,

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they play one key role.

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I don't wanna make somebody

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walk away from here and

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thinking that this is the

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end all being all,

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the Dyson vacuum that does everything.

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This plays one significant role,

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but when you've got over

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three thousand different

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proteins that can play a

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part in regenerating the body,

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addressing inflammation and

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creating repair,

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you've got this incredible

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combination for longevity

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and functionality.

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Well, and that's,

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it's funny because we're

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talking the functional lens, right?

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Regenerative medicine is a,

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let's call it a field.

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It's this place here that

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has got many tools.

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But if you're not,

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like you and I have both

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talked about this offline,

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like it's wellness made simple, right?

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And the simple fact is-

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We have inflamed bodies.

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So if we're giving exosomes

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and we're giving stem cells

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and PRP and the fibrogen,

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and we're still not

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treating the body the way

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it's supposed to be,

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it's like you're never

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going to get the cycle fixed.

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Diet and lifestyle is huge, right?

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Correct.

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These metabolic diseases,

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these autoimmune diseases,

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everything is...

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you know, if you,

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if you want to look at it

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from this functional lens, it's,

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it's really around that

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root cause and that root

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cause can be stemmed as inflammation.

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And sometimes the mind can

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cause the inflammation.

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Sometimes the body is inflamed.

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Sometimes we have environmental concerns.

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So a lot of the times when I,

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when I take on patient loads and cases,

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it's,

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we address all these things and

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there's maybe one thing,

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smoking gun that's causing a

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downstream effect of a lot of things,

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but generally it's a lot of

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factors that are cause

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causality to moving down the line.

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This is why, you know,

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when COVID came out and people were dying,

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it was because they have

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these comorbidities.

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It wasn't necessarily just a

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viral thing and people

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didn't realize it's like heart disease,

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overweight, diabetes.

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These are comorbidities

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because all of those things,

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It's not that you have

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diabetes or you're overweight or you have,

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you know, heart condition.

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It's those are inflammatory, metabolic,

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inflammatory conditions

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that cause the body to

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already be underneath.

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So I love that you're

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framing this up as a tool, right?

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But if we don't get the

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other stuff done right,

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like you're not sleeping,

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you're not eating, you're not exercising,

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like all those factors happen, right?

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But it's like plant medicines today too.

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We have availability now in

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different ways where we can

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add these modalities now so

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you don't have to go across

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the world in some random- That's correct.

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Pay cash under this place

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that's a little shady.

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Like we're doing this now in

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clinic settings.

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Correct, correct.

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It's bringing me back to my

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wife's journey and her

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healing because I had to

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stumble upon this in a way

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that was accessible.

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And at the point,

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it was like we had to go

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across the country because

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nobody was doing it around here.

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Correct, correct.

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Now we're able to procure

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these in a safer environment,

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and we're doing this beyond just MedSpa,

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but...

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these stem cell therapies, these exosomes,

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like you said, bioactive fillers.

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So we're not using synthetics anymore.

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These are things where we

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use them hair regeneration.

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I'm working on a whole

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process around these things

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because now it's just regenerative.

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If we want to regenerate something.

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And I I'm,

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I've been seeing these things where we're,

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we're reactivating, um,

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pancreas like beta cell

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activity with some of these

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things we're literally

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getting to the point where

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we can actually activate

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organ function again like

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there's some things that

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are like really coming in

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is really like I firmly

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believe like with all the

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therapies we're talking

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about especially with this

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like the podcast these are

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healing modalities these aren't correct

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these aren't symptom management things,

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right?

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You were on six hundred and

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seventy five milligrams of Lyrica, right?

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I don't even know how you're

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functioning as a human.

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You know,

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I've been in the pharmaceutical

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world for a while.

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It's like they're just

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putting Band-Aid upon

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Band-Aid and we're just

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we're getting these doses so high.

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And all of a sudden you're like,

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what the heck is going on?

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And now you're ninety five percent

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in the good, you're medication-free,

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and done with safe, effective treatments.

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Correct.

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And you're doing the lifestyle.

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So it's the whole package, guys.

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It's not just, oh, you know,

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this is not the expensive

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pill for the ill here, right?

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No, no.

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And in reality, too,

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this is part of the mission

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is that we're trying to

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scale this in a way,

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and the only way you scale

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it is through education and awareness.

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Because when we can scale

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and make this larger,

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then we make it available for everyone.

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I think a lot of times too,

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people think that

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regenerative medicine is

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only for the rich.

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And I think you mentioned

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that in an earlier part of the podcast.

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And that's because at one

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point that may have been

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the case because maybe only

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the wealthy could afford a

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thirty to fifty thousand dollar infusion.

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that would help them and

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that they have to travel

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abroad in order to get that infusion.

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And now all of a sudden,

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as more awareness is coming

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about and more physicians

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are jumping behind it,

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it's allowing us as labs to

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scale down or to basically

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to scale up and bring the

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price point down on these therapies.

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And now they're making them

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available to all Americans.

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the all people all across

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the world I mean this is a

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worldwide phenomenon as a

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matter of fact I was just

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looking into statistics and

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it said that the

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regenerative medicine field

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I think is about a twenty

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three or it was even twenty

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three or thirty two billion

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dollar industry worldwide

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in twenty twenty three it's

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expected to be two hundred

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and thirty two billion by

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twenty thirty two

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That's massive.

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That shows you where the

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awareness is going in this

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industry and the acceptance.

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And once that's there,

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this becomes very accessible.

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It becomes very affordable.

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And now we have new ways.

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This is the advancement of medicine.

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And this is where medicine is going.

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And so we need as much as

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the patient to be talking

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to the physician as we need

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the physician to be talking

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to the patient.

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And that's how we do all this.

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That's what's beautiful about the podcast.

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Well,

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I love the podcast because we can go

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long form.

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We can go deep dive into

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these rabbit holes.

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And I'm sure we could

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probably have a whole

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podcast on just one therapy.

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Right.

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And one thing that we're doing.

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However.

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And.

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the resonance here is, guys, it's like,

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listen, like,

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regenerative therapies are

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not going away.

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They're getting better.

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Just think about, like,

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any technological advancement we had.

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I remember when I bought my first...

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My first plasma TV, right?

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It was like six thousand

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dollars or something.

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It was so expensive.

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I can't even recall how much it was.

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I was making money as a pharmacist.

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I didn't care about anything.

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I was like, I want a big TV.

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It was going to happen.

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I still actually have that

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TV is one of my favorites.

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However.

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You can go to Costco now and

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buy an eighty five inch TV

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that's about this thin for

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a couple hundred bucks

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because we we we perfected

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these things over time.

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Right.

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And so you provide these

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solutions to physicians.

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Right.

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So they correct.

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Correct.

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In their practice.

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And that's correct.

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it's, it's not just aesthetics,

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we can use these in regenerative ways.

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And we can we can improve accessibility,

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because that's the thing is like, correct,

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we're going from thirty

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billion to two hundred

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billion in a short period of time,

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because

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They're not just novel anymore.

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This isn't pseudoscience.

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We're actually you know,

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it's like anything else.

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It's evolving in a quicker

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way because of our

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technological advancements.

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But we're still looking at

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it from the perspective of

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these treatments allow the

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body to do what it's supposed to do.

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Well, and you know what, Josh,

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and you talked about COVID,

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and we at one of the

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research projects we had

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had a double-blinded published study.

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And it was with patients

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that were in ICU during COVID.

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And we knew during that time

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frame you heard of the cytokine storm,

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which is basically an

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uprising in the immune

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system that really made it

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near impossible for the

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body to heal itself and

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oftentimes led people into

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their ultimate death.

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And that's where you heard

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all the ventilator systems

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and all that sort of stuff coming about.

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What was interesting in this

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study is that we did half

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the patients got the placebo.

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The other half got three

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cc's of this acellular stem cell product.

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And when the research finalized,

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there was a forty seven

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percent death rate in the placebo.

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There was only a seven

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percent death rate in the

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acellular stem cell side.

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And what we kind of took

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from that is a couple of

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things that were happening.

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One is because we know that

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these biological

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ingredients are playing a

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role in suppressing the immune system,

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bringing it back into its

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natural balance so that

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then the other proteins can

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come in and start a repair process.

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So what it did is it gave

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the body time and then it

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gave it the right resources

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in order to heal itself.

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And so, you know,

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and then at the same time,

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they just as kind of like an off the site,

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you know, trial,

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they wound up giving it the

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same product to the first

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line defense physicians

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that were in that that were in that ICU.

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And what they discovered through there,

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too, is that at the end of the study,

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zero of them came up with COVID.

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Now, that wasn't part of the study study.

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That was just an observation

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that was had after the fact.

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But again,

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part of it is it kept their

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immune system in balance so

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that it could fight.

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They're in the midst of

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people that are in extreme

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conditions with this COVID

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virus running around,

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and yet they're staying

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protected through the

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measures they're already

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taking through the hospital.

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But we felt like in a

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prophylactic standpoint

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that this was aiding and

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helping their immune system

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be more in balance.

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So it plays a significant role.

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And that's a

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published study.

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Yeah.

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And I think this is important is like,

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we're not talking, you know, cure here.

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We're,

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we're really keeps focusing on when

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we give the body more of

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the ingredients and more of

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the pathways towards healing.

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hormesis or balance.

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We all know we have the

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innate ability to heal.

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We've all heard of spontaneous healings.

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We've all heard of, I've seen them.

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I've been in rooms where

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just by thought alone,

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somebody's actually healing themselves.

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There's different ways that

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we can look at.

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I'm a big Joe Dispenza fan.

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People know that about me.

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There's so many different ways

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that the mind body can do these things.

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But when we're actually

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isolating certain things that we can,

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put at a certain site,

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like I'm thinking shoulder, right?

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I'm thinking all these

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different areas where

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people have had these major issues.

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And now it's rather than

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talking about

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anti-inflammatory and fixing

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and replacing the part and

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moving it in those, like,

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I'm just sensing and

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feeling like we have this

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renaissance that's about us

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where regenerative support

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through modern technologies,

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but also again,

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Let's use the body to do

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what it's supposed to do.

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Let's give these new and

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modernized approaches.

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And let's go back and make

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sure that we're doing all

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the basics well.

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Like, I think it's the newer formula,

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right?

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It's not just... And you've

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grown exponentially.

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And talking about this is, you know,

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this rise method that you have,

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that you're moving people

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forward in this way, you know?

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And it's really important because...

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This is, this is the, this is the,

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I love this podcast because

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I want to give people a

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glimpse of the future,

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but the future is today.

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It's not like we're waiting.

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This is not science, like sci-fi,

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like in twenty, forty years,

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we're going to be doing this.

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It's like it's happening right now.

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And I think.

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We're so closed because we

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go to the hospital, we go to the doctors.

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There's nothing wrong with

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allopathic medicine,

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but it's not centered

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around healing and

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regenerative help and longevity.

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It's really looking around the sick part,

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right?

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Not the well care part.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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physicians can, you know,

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we know that we're in this

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process where the sick care

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system is the payer, right?

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The payer system.

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But now we can create this

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hybrid approach where

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You know,

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you might come to the pharmacy or

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the doctor and your

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insurance pays for a portion of that.

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And then you take charge and you say,

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you know what,

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I'm going to take my own

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health care into my own space.

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I'm not going to just do what's covered.

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I always tell people your

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insurance pays for you to be sick,

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not to be well.

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Just like your car insurance

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pays for your car to be

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fixed when you crash it,

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but it's not going to pay

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for the oil change.

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It's not going to pay for the tires.

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It's certainly not going to

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pay for the car wash or the

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good gasoline.

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You kind of have to do that yourself,

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right?

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And you know the cars that

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are around for a long time

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are being well taken care of.

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And so we have a hybrid

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model for our own health.

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And I think people are so

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stuck because of all the

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money they're spending on

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this side to be insured and

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all this stuff.

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But if you focus on just a

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portion of that over here,

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you can get these things

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done in a way that's, like I said,

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it's this new era I think we're in.

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that's exactly right no and

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as a matter of fact you

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were just kind of talking

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about the um you were

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talking about the longevity

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side and where we're

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playing in this you know as

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medicine continues to

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progress one of the things

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that we're starting to see

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now is that the evolution

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of a biological age versus

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our real age you know and

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we see a lot of these

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Yes, yes, exactly.

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Because it's as people start

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doing a lot of these

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therapies and they start

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going back and looking into

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their cell structures and

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you have these these things

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called telomeres.

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And it's kind of always tell

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everybody you can tell the

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age of a tree by the amount

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of rings that it has.

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You can tell the age of the

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body by how long these

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telomeres or the ends of a shoelace are.

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And what's happening is

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we're seeing that these

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biologics are playing a

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role in extending these shoelace endings.

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that are showing people

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having kind of seeing an

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age reversal they're coming

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up with a new biological

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age so you could be sixty

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at your actual age but you

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might be fifty five from

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your biological age and

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that's the ultimate that's

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the ultimate gauge right

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it's uh how do we get to a

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hundred you know and I

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always say this a hundred

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in a functional fashion

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because frankly if you talk

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to somebody who's in their

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sixties now who's sick and

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you ask them if they want

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to live to a hundred you're

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not going to get a reply of yes

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But if you take an active

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person who feels in their

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best life at sixty five years old,

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their aim is one hundred.

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I mean,

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even for myself as a heart

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transplant patient,

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I think the longest heart

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transplant that's been out

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there to date is maybe

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somewhere around thirty

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five or forty years.

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My whole goal at this point

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is to beat that because of

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these type of medicines.

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And a lot of times, too,

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I think why the proactive

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stage is so important is

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because medicine.

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I heard a statistic recently

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that said by the time a

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physician ends medical school,

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The medicine they just

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learned has already changed

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seventy one days later.

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And now you incorporate the

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artificial intelligence

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side into medicine and

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medicine is going to

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advance in a very rapid

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rate because we're going to

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find a whole new subset of

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proteins that are playing a

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significant role.

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And as that time goes on,

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you don't know if you are a

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day away from an

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advancement that will save

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and extend your life or

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whether you're a year away

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from seeing your life extend.

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But the reality is this

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medicine is going to change

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things and getting to one

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hundred is not going to be

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unheard of any longer.

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Yeah.

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And it's I love that because

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like my my whole tagline

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has been live better, stay well.

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Right.

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It means stay well.

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It's like we want people to

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live vibrantly and then

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fall off the cliff as soon

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as they're going.

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Right.

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It's like I want to live as best I can.

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as long as I can in a vibrant way.

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And as soon as I'm ready to go, it's like,

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boom, I just want to go down.

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Right.

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It's like,

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and I love that you brought up

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biological age and yes,

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we can test for this now.

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Um,

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I test for this in my longevity

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protocol because I want to

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show people that they can,

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their biological age,

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not their chronological age,

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is the age that we are.

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And you can actually start

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seeing that reverse and

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move backwards in a way.

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And when you get the body, the mind,

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and the energetics

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in alignment, in coherence.

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This is why I teach heart

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math and HRV and heart rate

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variability training.

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So we can get the body and

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the mind in these coherent patterns.

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And we are doing these

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regenerative and longevity

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protocols and things.

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It's not terribly complex

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when you're doing it in the

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right sequence and in the right fashion.

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Now, do you have to invest...

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in your like you've invested

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in your education or you're

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investing in your portfolio

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or you're investing in your

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business yes this is what I

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love to invest in

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themselves like they've

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invested in every other

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avenue of their house and

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their health correct but we

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spend all this time trying to invest

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So we can make sure we're

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investing in the right

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things in our health and

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our longevity so we can

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live off the side effect of

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living longer.

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It's more expensive going to

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have more vacations.

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You're going to have more

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time off because you're

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going to live longer.

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We want that.

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That's exactly right.

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So I love the fact that we

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brought in biological age because

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Yes, we can test the telomeres.

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We can test all the genetics

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and the genomics around this.

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And it doesn't cost a lot either.

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For a couple hundred bucks,

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you can test your biological age.

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And what I love is the test

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treat test protocols.

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It's like, let's test you now.

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Let's move you down the line

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for three to six months,

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and then we'll test you again.

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And then you get this validation.

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You're like, holy crap,

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I'm like five years younger than I was.

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Correct, correct.

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And it does, it works.

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It does.

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And, you know, Josh,

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I think you bring up a very

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interesting point because we talk about,

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you know,

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why is there not as much

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awareness in the

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regenerative space as there

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is in the pharmaceutical space?

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And, you know,

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you kind of bring it about

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because this space regenerative,

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because there is no

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patentability of a biologic product.

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that what happens is most of

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the work that's done here

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is being done through self cases,

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self patient cases.

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Physician comes in,

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does the test just like you talk about,

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treats the patient, then tests again,

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and all of a sudden gets

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their validation to what

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they're doing works or what

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adjustments they have to make.

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There's not billions of

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dollars flowing through

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like the pharmaceutical

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industry that can then find

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this particular

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pharmaceutical drug and

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then take it to market and

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advertise like there's nobody's business.

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to create this large awareness campaign.

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So a lot of this is all

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happening through people

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like you and me who were true test cases.

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I mean,

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not only are we helping other people,

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we're doing these sort of

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things ourselves and seeing

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those changes is what gets

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us excited about this field because,

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I mean,

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I'll just give you a perfect example.

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You know, about two and a half years ago,

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I could barely walk

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upstairs because I had got

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a little bit of a bone on bone,

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kind of like my cart was

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wearing down on one side.

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And it was every time I

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would step up a stair,

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it would literally grab my

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knee and start to give out.

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I mean,

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it's embarrassing trying to go into

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a movie theater anymore to

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try and walk upstairs to go

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see the movie you want.

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And you look like you're a cripple.

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But I wound up doing a

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variety of therapies just

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to try and test which one

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was going to get me there.

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We talked about exosomes and

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acellular stem cells.

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One of the things that I

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always want to say to this one is,

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one of the things we found

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when we're looking at

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exosomes is that exosomes

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really are good for more

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acute related cases.

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When you're dealing with

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more chronic related cases,

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that's where people have to

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start working down into the

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acellular side of things.

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And the only reason for that

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is exosomes carry a smaller

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subset of proteins in order

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to get the job done.

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Where acellular stem cells,

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they carry a far vast

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amount of proteins that

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will get the work finished

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in a chronic related case.

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So in this sort of case here for myself,

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I started out with exosomes

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and what it did is I still had the catch.

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But the pain or the inflammation,

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it started to disappear.

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So I felt a little bit better and thought,

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I'm outside of the woods.

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But very quickly after that, it came back.

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And after playing around

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with it time after time doing exosomes,

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I realized I'm just jacking

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around with the wrong thing.

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And so I moved up into a

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higher level and realized

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in one to two treatments,

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I knocked out my knee issue

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to the point where now I

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have complete mobility.

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I'm back out there lifting

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and squatting and doing all

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kinds of things pain-free,

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running up and down stairs.

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but I had to align it with

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the right product at the same time.

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And the challenge is

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sometimes in this field,

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there is a gravitation

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towards the most economical

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fashion to get it done.

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And a lot of people in the

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field also don't,

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they feel like salespeople

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when they're talking to patients.

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And so they kind of clam up

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in terms of what is their true, you know,

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What can you truly accomplish?

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And what I find is that if

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you treated this like you

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were making a prescriptive discussion,

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you would not undercut the

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medicine that you put them

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on just to try and fit

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their pocketbook to try and

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get them somewhat well.

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You'd want to give them the

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full prescription and tell

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them to follow it out.

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And in this case here,

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what we're seeing is people

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are just kind of cutting

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corners to try and make this economical.

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But if you align the right product

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you align it with the right

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dosage then all of a sudden

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that patient gets well and

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gets back to more

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functional life and I I

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know that's a little bit of

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an offshoot of our

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conversation but you you

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triggered a thought in

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there and I always want to

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bring that back up because

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There's so much happening in

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this regenerative field,

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and we have to really make

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sure that we have a

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confident conversation with

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patients so that they don't

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just buy into a partial therapy,

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that they buy into the whole thing.

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And when I talk to

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practitioners a lot of times, I say, look,

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if you were trying to

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remodel your house and

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Lowe's came by and dropped

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off a quarter of the

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materials to get it done,

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One,

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you're either going to have a really

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nice part of your house and

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the rest of us going to lay vacant,

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or you're going to have a

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crappy job done all around

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your house and it's never

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going to be complete.

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You're not going to be

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satisfied with that job.

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In that realm there, I go,

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don't treat your medicine the same way.

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If you want to get the result,

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then you got to go for the result.

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That's where dosing and

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trialing and dosing again

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becomes the appropriate factor.

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I don't try to tell

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everybody that this is a one and done.

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I mean I've had parts of my

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body that I treated that

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was one and done but I've

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had parts of my body that

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took two treatments in

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order to get it done or

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maybe even three treatments

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because you don't know what

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the severity is and for me

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I walked through a very

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traumatic experience where

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my body was dying and I

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didn't even know about it

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because I was working at

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half heart function I just

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thought that was a getting

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older experience and

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instead later on as I'm

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trying to do all this

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diagnostic testing as to

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why I'm getting neuropathy

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I suddenly find out that I

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have a heart issue

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But when your body is breaking down,

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even from a heart perspective,

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what a lot of people don't

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realize is that blood

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starts to retract and go

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back towards the organs

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because it's trying to

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protect itself for survival.

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So what happens is the limbs start to,

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they start to degrade.

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So I was losing feeling in my fingertips.

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I was losing feeling in my feet.

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I actually lost feeling halfway up my calf,

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almost to my knees.

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and through the regenerative

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medicine again I dabbled in

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my own stuff and kind of

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got myself there and I

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could tell that I was on

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the right path but it was

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when I really stepped in and said okay

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let's do this right the

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first time and give myself

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the right dosage.

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It was more expensive for me

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to get it done, but in the long run,

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it actually cost me a

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quarter of what I was spending before.

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It's just about making the

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right choice upfront.

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And we just have to have

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practitioners and patients

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both be willing to make the

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right choice upfront.

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Otherwise you just feel like

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you're coming back from the

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same thing over and over

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and over again and never

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accomplishing a result.

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And frankly,

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that gives the regenerative

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medicine business a bad name.

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A lot of it is just in the conversation.

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If we have the right conversation up front,

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this goes splendidly well.

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And you have people running

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around like you and me who

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are living our best lives

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in a totally repaired and

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regenerative state.

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Well, it's important to say,

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because I say that in nutrition as well,

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is like optimal dosing is

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where we get results and outcomes.

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We don't get it from like, oh,

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I'm just going to skimp here.

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I'm going to take half the dose.

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It's like,

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And there's a whole thing we

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could talk about in the

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clinical nutrition world

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about optimal versus minimal.

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Because I think that people

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don't realize that the RDA,

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the recommended daily

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allowance for patients,

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for all the supplementation

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is the amount you need not

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to get the disease associated with that.

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So we don't get rickets anymore or scurvy,

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but we gotta make sure

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we're getting optimal doses.

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So we're flooding the system,

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we're flooding the body

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full of these things.

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So how do

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providers get the education

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they need in order to start

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this process of finding the sweet spot,

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because we,

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we do want to nail it more

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often than not.

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And yes, it's a journey guys.

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Not everyone's going to

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respond the same way

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because there's magic

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amount of like billions of

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signals going on.

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And so we've got,

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we've got to play with this

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journey that we're on.

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And we also have to do this

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with the most up-to-date

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targeted approaches, but,

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You sell to practitioners.

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How do we educate our

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practitioner base so they

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can even get to the table

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here to start this process

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of awareness and understanding?

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Yeah, no,

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and I think some of the

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responsibility does start

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with us at the same time,

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meaning the labs,

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doing the proper research,

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trying to go through the

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right FDA channels, doing all this.

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But part of it too now is

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we're all trying to work

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through these FDA channels.

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Pulling from research that's

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already done there,

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trying to give them a good

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understanding of what's out there.

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So I want to give you kind of an example.

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Japan had a study that came

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out that showed that they

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felt like they had the cure

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to Alzheimer's.

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And then when they started

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to go down the protocol,

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it turned out that there

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was like a hundred and

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seventy five million stem

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cells used and was used

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over a specific period of time.

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And all of a sudden somebody

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looks at that study and says, hey,

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there's a cure to

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Alzheimer's and all you

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have to do is use stem cells.

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Well, no,

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you have to pay attention to the

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dosing side of this at the same time.

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And in most cases,

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that may have worked in a

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clinical setting.

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But the reality is very few

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humans could actually pay

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for those type of results

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to get what Japan

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accomplished in that study.

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So I think we have to bring

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awareness to those studies.

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And in those studies,

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sometimes we find that

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there is the magic bullet.

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And then other times we find out, hey,

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maybe there's some other

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ways we have to go around

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this because that study

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represented a curative fashion.

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And I don't really want to

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say the word cure,

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but that's the way they put

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it in their study.

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But maybe there's other

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avenues that would actually

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get us to those results.

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And so a lot of it right now

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is going to be through

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awareness channels like

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what we're doing here.

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is going to be through

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studies that we're doing inside the labs.

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is that physicians,

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we want them to go take a proactive look

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my own research.

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I read these things time and time again.

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themselves with something,

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what the outcome looked like,

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so that when they go back there,

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you can share this stuff

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with the physicians and

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they can kind of get a

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better base of how to

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communicate with the patient.

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it's that unknown period

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that is why most people are

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undertreating.

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uh, we did study, I mean,

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thousand patients in it.

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common ground of what worked.

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subsets of our products,

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we kind of know what that

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range should look like.

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it's not as much as you think.

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No, that's beautiful.

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Um,

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So you're helping providers get educated.

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You're helping them move in this realm.

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You're showing them that the

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science is there because, you know,

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everything we do is backed by science.

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It's not pseudoscience anymore.

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people are understanding

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there is this new age of medicine.

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That's not typical.

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Let's just not call it typical,

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but it's there and it,

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it works right that's part

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of this process when we get

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the formulas and we're in

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the when we're on the right

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path things just things

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start to online right and

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sometimes some people's

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path is different than

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others but now that we have

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these we want to make sure

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that we're we're educating

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the patients we're

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educating the providers that these are

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thought I've had this

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question so many times and I've had like,

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people are saying, well, I got this.

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I was like,

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have you tried regenerative therapies?

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Like there are things you

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can do now that are, are very, very in,

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in the right place at the right timing.

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to our advantage and,

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what are some steps listeners

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can take today to start

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embracing this more

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holistic healing component?

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thing that I always tell

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people is be an advocate for yourself.

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practice and somebody says, well,

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this drug is going to be

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your best choice or surgery

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is going to be your only option.

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them to talk to their

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practitioners about

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regenerative medicine.

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some of you know here's the

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thing too I always want to

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preface this because it's

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not always you know it's

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not the physician's fault

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understood what a physician

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goes through on a daily

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basis to just try and run

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and manage a practice most

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of what they can handle is

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what's in front of them and

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they don't have the time to

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go out there and do a lot

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of the added research a lot

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of choices of people

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physicians that have gone

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into regenerative medicine

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are those that are tired of

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the sick care and they made

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a choice to move from sick

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care into something that's

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more of a proactive care

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these different forums and

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whatnot and different

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conferences in order to

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learn about all these new

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therapies so I think the

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part of it does don't be

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tough on your physician

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just engage in a

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conversation and I think

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watching things like this

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josh like your podcasts are

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critical because it's got

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to give them a base

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understanding so they even

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know what to talk about

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when they go into their

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physician but I will say this the

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I am not anti-pharmacology

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and I am not anti-surgery.

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and really share with

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people is that this could

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be a first line defense for

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a lot of what we're dealing

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with that can help avoid

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surgery or could avoid or

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offset when the medications are used.

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I'm a heart transplant patient.

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I also have had back surgeries.

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I couldn't have done it

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without those surgical interventions.

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I can't live unless I take a

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certain drug.

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maybe those drugs aren't

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playing an important role.

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longevity and regenerative style,

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regenerative medicine is

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going to play the key role

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and the supplementation

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that comes out of there.

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proactive approach too.

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Yeah.

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you know, this podcast is beyond the pills,

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right?

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Is what can we do other than,

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and it's not the practitioner's fault.

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It's not the surgeon's fault.

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It's not anybody's fault

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because they're just

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trained in a specific way.

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I think most of the holistic

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or alternative,

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I don't like the word

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alternative anymore.

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Functional approaches, um,

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there all starts with

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conversations where the

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provider that you're seeing

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is open to other things.

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They may not be the expert

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in regenerative medicine,

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but having a provider

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that's open to having discussion is,

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like you said, I think is...

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My wife would have,

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like the first thing we

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said is what are the

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non-surgical approaches?

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which is his job to talk to

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you about these non-surgical approaches.

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happens to be like, oh, I heard it here.

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I heard it there.

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I was in a conference for compounding.

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We were doing pain

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medications with compounding.

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there and he started

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talking about ozone therapy and PRP.

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I've never heard this before.

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really complex case that I

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happened to be married to.

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I am open for these things.

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He was from Cincinnati.

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My wife was from Cincinnati.

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I said, you know what?

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Let's fly there and let's just see.

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ended up getting treatment.

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And it worked.

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It was like one of the

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things that actually helped

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repair a torn labrum that

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she couldn't figure out.

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which would have been

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right?

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This is the first phase.

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awareness is the first step.

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just be aware that these

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are options for you and you

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can open these conversations up

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and and talk about these

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other things it's not like

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you and it's there's an and

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right like you said there I

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still need some medications

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for my heart transplant I

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need you know I've had

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surgeries before so this

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isn't this or this this is

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not the duality of the

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world it's like maybe you

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need this and this or maybe

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we try this first to see if

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this is the secondary process right

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this all together in the

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whole the whole component.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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This is important for us to

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all play together and just

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know when where one puzzle

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piece fits before the other.

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and I saw this even with my

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wife when we first started dating,

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she had received she was

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dealing with a back issue

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where she was even walking with a cane.

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and kind of similar in a in

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a situation where I tried

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to bring the regenerative

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medicine side to her at

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that point and she looked

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at me and said no way I'm

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going to the best back back

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doctor the I you know we've

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just dated I don't know you

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you know and it's like and

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I'm like but just hear me

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out first I just need you

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to open your mind to this

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whole process and when she

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went into her back doctor

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and they said surgery is

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your only other option and

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we're going to set you up

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for this the first thing

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she comes back and says hey

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maybe we try your side first

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just to see and all of a

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sudden that was the moment

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her mind became open

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because the reality that

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surgery was her only option

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started to scare her and

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when we went to go do when

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we started to go do her

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regenerative medicine do

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you know what was the the

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very thing that was her

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issue it wasn't this

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bulging disc that they

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wanted to cut out for her

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it was that she developed

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arthritis in her facet joints

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Those facet joints,

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it's just like the oil man

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from the Wizard of Oz.

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Once it starts getting rusted,

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it doesn't move properly

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and then anytime you move,

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it starts to create an agitation.

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as soon as she did the injections in

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her back,

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the arthritis disappeared and

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her mobility came back and

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she never had to undergo surgery.

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And that case happens more than not.

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try to work really big,

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even in the orthopedic and pain field,

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is bring awareness to it

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just might be that these

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joints have to be oiled to

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reduce the inflammation or

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arthritis that's developing

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in the joints that could be

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the end-all be-all for them

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and return them back to a

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functional life.

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surgery is the only option.

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eighty percent of the cases

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that I talk to never wind

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up going to surgery.

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It is something as simple as

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arthritic development on the joints.

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like, let's just, let's,

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let's make it clear here.

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Like there are options, right?

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These are just options.

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My wife had a bulging disc.

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That's right.

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She healed it through not PRP.

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She healed it through Pilates.

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She figured out a way that worked for her.

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So this is this is what

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we're all about here is

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like just listening to these, you know,

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like and I've been aware

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because I study this so

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often because I want to

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know the things that are

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are when we talk regenerative,

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we're talking things where

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we're actually helping the body heal.

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and transformation these days.

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I'm not about symptom resolution only.

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Right.

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There's correct in this space.

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And let's put the gas on the

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awareness because that's the first step.

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So where can people go to learn more?

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We have a website called

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riseupmedical.com.

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And it's R-I-Z-E.

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The Z was actually developed

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because that's what we were

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trying to do is a Z can be elevated.

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So we wanted to try and

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elevate patient care and patient results.

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So riseupmedical.com will

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start an initial.

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I want you to also

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understand when you go to our website,

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we're more of an education

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company than anything else

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because it's the way that

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we have to work within the

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regulatory framework.

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But I think the other key

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part is just start having

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conversations with your

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practitioners about this,

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watching more things like

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Josh's podcast and other

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people that are trying to

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bring these regenerative

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medicine sources too.

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The, you know,

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and then also you can find

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us on our social media at the same time,

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which is at Rise Up Medical.

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We're on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn.

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So these are other channels

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which you can which you can

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follow us on as well to get

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more information.

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That's awesome.

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And, you know, we've got testimonials.

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We've got people telling

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their stories because it works.

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It's not like we're we're

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not trying to sell snake

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oil to people like we're

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actually here to to.

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introduce these new

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therapies and and frankly

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that that some physician

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most physicians aren't

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aware of as well that

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there's accessibility that

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we can be doing this that

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these these procedures

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aren't as archaic as they

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used to be right like

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correct correct arrow and

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spinning it out and like

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I've been through that

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process it's not easy it's not fun

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It's not cool.

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It's really difficult.

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And now we have this more

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turnkey approach that can be more useful,

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a little less energy component to that.

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Correct.

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Really helping people.

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So Rise Up Medical, go check that out.

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Talk to your...

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physicians, talk to your family,

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talk to people about like,

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have they gone through this?

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Like,

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this is how this stuff starts to work

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when there's a little bit

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more emphasis on these alternative,

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let's call them functional approaches.

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that we can take these

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really expensive surgical

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interventions that

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sometimes they're not just

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the only option anymore.

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So we also want people to

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just go do their own thing.

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Let's talk to the providers.

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Let's look up the research.

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I love that you quoted nature and PubMed.

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These are places that are

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actually it's really

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difficult to get into nature.

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if you're published there

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it's it's not like oh I

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just talked about this

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supplement and it works

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it's like there's there's

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peer-reviewed they're

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they're white papers

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they've been right

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massively scrutinized by

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the medical community if

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you're in these top

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publications it's it's

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already worth wild science

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so that's correct that's

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great awareness to that um

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Thank you for what you're doing, Mark.

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This is amazing.

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Well, thank you, Josh.

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I appreciate that.

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And I just wanted to bring

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one more thing in there.

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On our website,

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you can go to an education

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tab where anybody can go.

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And we try and take the

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complex subjects in there

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and break them down into

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something very simple.

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And for practitioners that

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are listening to this,

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they can also set up a time

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with us directly on the

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website to where we can dig

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a little bit deeper into

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what they're doing and the

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things that we might be

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able to help them with to

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help their patients.

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And Josh,

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I'm grateful to you because we

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can't do this

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To create an army,

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we've got to come together

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and create this level of awareness.

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So I'm grateful to you for

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the podcast and the

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opportunity to come on here.

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I love it, man,

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because I've been teaching

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pharmacist wellness for so long.

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You don't have to be into this,

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but if you're aware of it,

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And your patients are coming

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in and they're on opiates

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and they're on all these

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NSAIDs and they're on all

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these medications.

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They're coming in every month.

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They're not getting any better.

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And all of a sudden you

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could just have one open

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conversation that says,

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have you heard of regenerative therapies?

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That's right.

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Okay.

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Well, let's,

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let's get you some more information.

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Let's get you off some of

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these medications that

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aren't serving you.

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Like that's our big goal is

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to get people deprescribe

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unnecessary medicines.

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Not all medications are necessary.

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If you can get the body to heal itself.

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That's correct.

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Well, thank you, Mark.

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This will, I'm sure we'll be in many,

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many more conversations.

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I can't wait to dig in and

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start referring more

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providers to you because

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this is the wave of the future.

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And I'm really excited to be

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on this journey with you.

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Oh man, me too, Josh.

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Thank you so much, my friend.

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All right, guys.

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Until next time, stay well.

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