#73: Psychedelics, Parenthood & Rediscovering Your True Self with Nikita Lavallie
Breaking Free: Psychedelics, Parenthood & Rediscovering Your True Self with Nikita Lavallie
In this powerful episode of Beyond The Pills, we sit down with coach and integration guide Nikita Lavallie, whose transformational journey through plant medicine led her to redefine her identity, overcome postpartum depression, and step fully into a life of compassion, clarity, and purpose.
Nikita opens up about the healing potential of psychedelics—not just as a personal awakening, but as a pathway to help others, especially parents, navigate anxiety, depression, and the loss of self that can often accompany major life transitions. From setting healthier boundaries to unlocking deep healing and reconnecting with our truest selves, Nikita shares practical insights and soulful wisdom for anyone curious about intentional psychedelic use and integration.
We go deep. We get real. And we explore how to spark lasting change with clarity, intention, and support.
If you’ve ever wondered if there’s more waiting for you beyond the anxiety, the overwhelm, or the pills—this conversation is your sign.
🔹 Topics we explore:
- Healing postpartum depression with psychedelics
- The identity shift of parenthood
- Breaking free from limiting beliefs
- Integration practices that create lasting change
- Supporting others through their own journey with compassion and clarity
📲 Connect with Nikita Lavallie:
Website: www.thepsychedelicparents.com
LinkedIn: Nikita Lavallie
Transcript
Well, hello, hello.
Speaker:Welcome to another episode
Speaker:of Beyond the Pills.
Speaker:I'm Josh Remini, pharmacist turned healer.
Speaker:And today we have a guest with me,
Speaker:Nikita Lavallee.
Speaker:She's a transformational
Speaker:coach whose work focuses on
Speaker:guiding people through
Speaker:life's toughest moments to
Speaker:find lasting healing and purpose.
Speaker:With a background in clinical psychology,
Speaker:and certifications as a life
Speaker:coach and a psychedelic integration coach,
Speaker:Nikita has dedicated her
Speaker:life to helping individuals
Speaker:break free from mental
Speaker:health struggles and
Speaker:embrace holistic transformation.
Speaker:My favorite words.
Speaker:Nikita's passion for her
Speaker:work was born from personal experience,
Speaker:which we get to explore today,
Speaker:after realizing how many parents,
Speaker:including herself,
Speaker:felt overwhelmed and
Speaker:dependent on SSRIs just to
Speaker:cope with daily life.
Speaker:Through exploring
Speaker:psychedelic integration and
Speaker:holistic practices,
Speaker:she discovered a powerful
Speaker:way to reclaim health and balance.
Speaker:Today,
Speaker:we're doing deep dive into the
Speaker:intersection of mental health,
Speaker:holistic healing,
Speaker:and journey of reclaiming joy.
Speaker:Whether you're navigating
Speaker:these challenges like anxiety, depression,
Speaker:or just feeling stuck,
Speaker:my hope today is that we
Speaker:have insights for you that
Speaker:will inspire and empower
Speaker:you to move beyond the
Speaker:cycle of prescriptions and
Speaker:beyond the pills to find a
Speaker:path to true wellness.
Speaker:Welcome to the show, Nikita.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you for having me on today.
Speaker:I'm excited.
Speaker:Being a dad is a real big thing for me.
Speaker:So I know we're going to
Speaker:dive into the parenting
Speaker:part of it because I think
Speaker:there's a uniqueness there.
Speaker:And I love that it's in your
Speaker:passion and your bio and who you are.
Speaker:But let's dive in, your personal journey.
Speaker:You mentioned that your
Speaker:passion for helping people
Speaker:through these tough moments
Speaker:stems from your own personal experiences.
Speaker:So just share with us,
Speaker:share with the listeners,
Speaker:what inspired you to
Speaker:transition from life to parenting?
Speaker:helping these people, you know?
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:I want to hear about your story and
Speaker:how it actually started, you know?
Speaker:Yes, I would love to share my story,
Speaker:my journey and how I got
Speaker:involved with plant medicines.
Speaker:So when I was a child,
Speaker:I was diagnosed with
Speaker:rheumatic fever in Korea.
Speaker:And this left me with an
Speaker:autoimmune disease,
Speaker:that I always had pains in my hands.
Speaker:And
Speaker:It was really tough.
Speaker:Doctors always wanted to put
Speaker:me on prescriptions.
Speaker:My parents didn't really agree with that.
Speaker:So I was kind of taking tumeric,
Speaker:seeing a naturopath doctor
Speaker:and different things like that.
Speaker:But that kind of led me into cannabis.
Speaker:I started exploring cannabis.
Speaker:I was using cannabis for
Speaker:medicinal properties.
Speaker:Then I started working in
Speaker:the medical marijuana field.
Speaker:I was helping patients in
Speaker:New York receive their
Speaker:medical marijuana cards.
Speaker:We were going to Sloan Kettering.
Speaker:We were helping cancer patients,
Speaker:people with autoimmune diseases.
Speaker:people who were suffering
Speaker:with IBS or chronic pain, anxiety.
Speaker:And as New York started
Speaker:allowing more and more
Speaker:elements to come in,
Speaker:then we were treating more
Speaker:elements and working with
Speaker:more individuals.
Speaker:We were going into senior
Speaker:centers for the sunning down process.
Speaker:So we were getting seniors
Speaker:in seventies and eighties on like a CBN,
Speaker:CBG to help them go to
Speaker:sleep when it's time for
Speaker:the sunning down where they
Speaker:kind of get aggressive.
Speaker:So I always felt the true
Speaker:calling with plant medicine.
Speaker:We ended up hosting a
Speaker:retreat out in Joshua Tree, California,
Speaker:which is kind of spiritual
Speaker:if anyone's ever been there.
Speaker:And with me,
Speaker:I always kind of just wander
Speaker:the land or wander around and
Speaker:Of course,
Speaker:I ended up meeting the only
Speaker:shaman living on the
Speaker:property who was doing
Speaker:peyote ceremonies for
Speaker:people after the retreat if
Speaker:they wanted to stick around.
Speaker:So I was very curious with this.
Speaker:And I ended up experiencing peyote.
Speaker:And that kind of shook me up.
Speaker:And I was like, wow, this is amazing.
Speaker:So that was like my true
Speaker:experience with a plant
Speaker:medicine that was a hallucinogenic.
Speaker:And then I came back to New
Speaker:York and I was introduced
Speaker:to kind of like the
Speaker:underground world with psychedelics.
Speaker:I had my first ceremony,
Speaker:my first ayahuasca ceremony.
Speaker:And there was just something
Speaker:that was a little off with that.
Speaker:It was very enlightening.
Speaker:But when we were pulling up to the space,
Speaker:the shaman was grilling hamburgers,
Speaker:fighting with his wife.
Speaker:Nothing that I was taught
Speaker:now is absolutely
Speaker:appropriate or anything like that.
Speaker:There was no dieta.
Speaker:Um, and during that, that ceremony, I, uh,
Speaker:I committed to it.
Speaker:So I, I still did it.
Speaker:And, um, ayahuasca, uh,
Speaker:we call her mother.
Speaker:Um, she talked with me and she said, uh,
Speaker:this is not how we do it.
Speaker:Come to me.
Speaker:Uh,
Speaker:so I felt a very strong calling to go
Speaker:to Peru,
Speaker:to understand just how this
Speaker:medicine came about,
Speaker:work with a true shaman,
Speaker:work with a facilitator,
Speaker:work with where it was a
Speaker:company that was reputable.
Speaker:So I ended up going over to Peru.
Speaker:My three-week vacation
Speaker:turned into about three and
Speaker:a half months.
Speaker:I kept getting extended.
Speaker:The nurse at the retreat center got sick.
Speaker:I saw how I would be with other people.
Speaker:clients that were coming in
Speaker:asked if I'd be able to
Speaker:extend my stay uh she
Speaker:needed to get surgery she
Speaker:fell off her bike and
Speaker:needed hand surgery uh so I
Speaker:started uh helping the
Speaker:shaman the facilitator just
Speaker:make sure people are
Speaker:comfortable and really
Speaker:getting a true
Speaker:understanding for these
Speaker:medicines for how they're
Speaker:supposed to be used the
Speaker:sentence setting that
Speaker:they're supposed to be used
Speaker:in that the ether that
Speaker:you're supposed to be
Speaker:following the fasting all
Speaker:of these things that
Speaker:are not talked about in
Speaker:america or they weren't
Speaker:talked about in america
Speaker:eight years ago um
Speaker:So this kind of just opened
Speaker:my eyes to ayahuasca and
Speaker:how powerful it was.
Speaker:But then when I came back to the US,
Speaker:I do therapy and I believe in therapy,
Speaker:but it kind of had me in a
Speaker:space where my therapist
Speaker:wasn't for psychedelics.
Speaker:So then it cut it.
Speaker:Like I wasn't able to
Speaker:integrate all of my
Speaker:insights and everything like that.
Speaker:I felt stuck and I was
Speaker:yearning for a guide to
Speaker:help me through this path.
Speaker:But I couldn't find one at the time.
Speaker:And then just as life throws
Speaker:you curveballs,
Speaker:I became pregnant in the height of COVID-
Speaker:with my daughter.
Speaker:So that was a very isolating
Speaker:time of my life because
Speaker:everyone was inside.
Speaker:It was a little crazy.
Speaker:Going to the supermarket was
Speaker:like the big thing of the week.
Speaker:But what ended up happening
Speaker:was like mommy circles were cut out.
Speaker:Breathwork circles were cut out.
Speaker:certain like pregnancy
Speaker:groups that you could get into.
Speaker:They weren't hosting that.
Speaker:So it was a very lonely time.
Speaker:And then for me,
Speaker:I was a high risk C-section.
Speaker:So I ended up I trusted my doctor.
Speaker:He brought in my beautiful
Speaker:baby girl into the world
Speaker:and I trusted him like no
Speaker:other because it was a
Speaker:difficult pregnancy.
Speaker:And, you know,
Speaker:we were in the room and no
Speaker:one else could come into
Speaker:the room again because of COVID.
Speaker:So it was weird standards.
Speaker:But what ended up happening
Speaker:was on the third day when I was released,
Speaker:you get your prescriptions
Speaker:because it was surgery.
Speaker:So it was certain things to
Speaker:make sure I healed good.
Speaker:And he wrote me a
Speaker:prescription for Prozac and Xanax.
Speaker:um this kind of just struck
Speaker:me so I was not taking any
Speaker:of those types of
Speaker:medications before um I was
Speaker:happy I was not crying I
Speaker:was not showing any signs
Speaker:of depression um I was just
Speaker:asking how to swaddle the
Speaker:baby properly I wasn't
Speaker:anxious I had those you
Speaker:know the hormones going
Speaker:through and was just so
Speaker:proud I brought a life into the world
Speaker:But because I had so much trust with him,
Speaker:I didn't listen to my true
Speaker:intention or into what my
Speaker:gut was telling me.
Speaker:And deep down it was saying
Speaker:you shouldn't take those.
Speaker:But stupidly,
Speaker:I decided to start taking them.
Speaker:About three months in, I started just,
Speaker:I was like, I don't feel like myself.
Speaker:I don't, I was sad.
Speaker:I was depressed.
Speaker:I had all this illogical
Speaker:anxiety and it was mostly
Speaker:because of the medicine.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:then I started getting my confidence
Speaker:back.
Speaker:I started losing the baby weight, started,
Speaker:uh, we're big into fitness, uh,
Speaker:started getting my body
Speaker:back was a big thing.
Speaker:And then my libido went down.
Speaker:So I'm taking Prozac.
Speaker:My libido went down.
Speaker:Now this is causing problems
Speaker:with my husband.
Speaker:Um, so it was a weird cycle being on,
Speaker:on these medicines and I
Speaker:didn't know how to come off it.
Speaker:And then what ended up
Speaker:happening was as many parents do, we,
Speaker:take our kids to the park,
Speaker:we sit on the bench,
Speaker:let them get their energy out,
Speaker:maybe make a little friend.
Speaker:There was a woman who was
Speaker:sitting next to me, and she had a son.
Speaker:And our kids looked to be
Speaker:about the same age, so they were going,
Speaker:doing their thing, playing,
Speaker:and her diaper bag fell.
Speaker:And I picked up her diaper
Speaker:bag to hand it over to her
Speaker:and two pill bottles came out.
Speaker:And she looked at me like
Speaker:really embarrassed and like
Speaker:shoved them through.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, don't worry.
Speaker:And like, just kind of like blew it off.
Speaker:And she looked at me and she
Speaker:started a conversation.
Speaker:She goes, you know,
Speaker:I think our kids are on the
Speaker:same age where you put on
Speaker:medicine too when you left the hospital.
Speaker:And I looked at her and I
Speaker:was kind of shocked that she said that.
Speaker:And I said, actually, I was.
Speaker:And she's like,
Speaker:did you stop taking them yet?
Speaker:I was like,
Speaker:I don't know how to come off them.
Speaker:I don't want to take them.
Speaker:And she was experiencing the
Speaker:same symptoms that I was
Speaker:experiencing with them.
Speaker:So this kind of just it,
Speaker:I brought my daughter, she left,
Speaker:I brought my daughter to the swing,
Speaker:I'm pushing her in the swing.
Speaker:And I,
Speaker:it kind of like hit me like struck
Speaker:me like lightning.
Speaker:I was like,
Speaker:How many women are on SSRI
Speaker:medications that don't need
Speaker:to be on them?
Speaker:How many women are being
Speaker:prescribed these
Speaker:medications from a general practitioner,
Speaker:not even a psychiatrist or
Speaker:a therapist or anyone who
Speaker:works in the mental health field?
Speaker:It's a general practitioner
Speaker:prescribing these.
Speaker:So it kind of just...
Speaker:And when they give it to you,
Speaker:they can easily up the dose, right?
Speaker:But when you titrate it down, then, oh,
Speaker:I'm sorry,
Speaker:ten milligrams is the lowest form.
Speaker:Now you can start to stop taking them,
Speaker:but you're going to be
Speaker:re-experiencing the
Speaker:feelings that you had when
Speaker:you first went on them.
Speaker:So to me, that really didn't make sense.
Speaker:I was having a hard time
Speaker:getting off of them.
Speaker:I didn't want to be on them anymore.
Speaker:And then so I started
Speaker:looking into psychedelic
Speaker:therapies that I can incorporate
Speaker:is I knew like when I went
Speaker:to Peru and when I experienced that,
Speaker:that's where I felt more like myself.
Speaker:That's who I was.
Speaker:I understood my calling.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:So what ended up happening
Speaker:was I went back to school.
Speaker:I went and got my master's,
Speaker:specialized in treatment
Speaker:resistant depression, anxiety disorder,
Speaker:postpartum depression.
Speaker:Once I received that,
Speaker:I went into a coaching
Speaker:institute through NYU.
Speaker:It was an ICF coaching institute.
Speaker:So I ended up doing that so
Speaker:that I can have a good
Speaker:structure for when I was
Speaker:working with clients.
Speaker:Now that I had a good
Speaker:structure and learned how
Speaker:to properly coach,
Speaker:I needed to bring in the psychedelics.
Speaker:So I ended up joining the
Speaker:Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
Speaker:It's a ten month long
Speaker:program and they go over
Speaker:every single psychedelic in
Speaker:detailed form.
Speaker:How do you either experience
Speaker:it or work with it or have
Speaker:specialists come on and
Speaker:doctors and just talk about it.
Speaker:Um, so experiencing this,
Speaker:this kind of led me to
Speaker:create my own practice.
Speaker:And what was happening was
Speaker:when I went to a retreat in Costa Rica,
Speaker:uh,
Speaker:hosted by the psychedelic coaching
Speaker:Institute.
Speaker:And that's where they really trained us.
Speaker:How do you properly
Speaker:facilitate how a true
Speaker:ceremony ceremony should be done,
Speaker:how people should be eating
Speaker:before and after.
Speaker:yoga, breath work,
Speaker:all these special things
Speaker:that they should be doing
Speaker:so that they can go and
Speaker:take their macrodose
Speaker:experiences and make them last longer.
Speaker:And then a lot of people,
Speaker:once they have a macrodose experience,
Speaker:if you go and you
Speaker:incorporate a microdosing regimen,
Speaker:Within the week after,
Speaker:what that's doing is that's
Speaker:expanding your neuroplasticity.
Speaker:When you start to explain
Speaker:the neuroplasticity in your brain,
Speaker:which I geek out over this,
Speaker:when you start to expand that,
Speaker:you're able to make new connections.
Speaker:So people who are wanting
Speaker:new habits say they want to
Speaker:start coming off their SSRIs.
Speaker:We wouldn't recommend a
Speaker:macrodose right away.
Speaker:We would start them with microdosing.
Speaker:And once they are fully off
Speaker:their microdosing regimen,
Speaker:then we actually have to
Speaker:lower their regimen when
Speaker:they're fully off the SSRIs.
Speaker:So I'm working with one woman,
Speaker:she was on a point two on SSRIs,
Speaker:finally has been off her
Speaker:SSRIs for three weeks now,
Speaker:and we had to move her back
Speaker:down to a point one.
Speaker:um so she was like wow like
Speaker:I I feel everything now so
Speaker:it just shows that these
Speaker:medicines are numbing
Speaker:people they there's no exit
Speaker:strategy they're not
Speaker:They're not telling parents to meditate,
Speaker:to go for a walk in nature,
Speaker:to put their phones down, stop scrolling,
Speaker:to connect with their kids.
Speaker:And I'm not going to lie.
Speaker:Parenting is one of the
Speaker:hardest jobs I've ever had.
Speaker:They don't give you a book.
Speaker:I really thought we were
Speaker:going to get like some type
Speaker:of book or something like that.
Speaker:We get nothing.
Speaker:They hand you the baby and say, good luck.
Speaker:So I thought that was really challenging.
Speaker:And I created the
Speaker:Psychedelic Parents for...
Speaker:a community for parents to
Speaker:come in and talk with other
Speaker:parents and talk with me
Speaker:and talk with learn about
Speaker:different breathwork
Speaker:exercises or breathwork
Speaker:programs that are virtual
Speaker:that they can attend so if
Speaker:they're not if they don't
Speaker:have the time constraint to
Speaker:go and do something they
Speaker:can do something virtual
Speaker:when their child goes to
Speaker:sleep so different things
Speaker:that they could do that
Speaker:fits into their schedule so
Speaker:that they can feel better
Speaker:and not be so relying on
Speaker:prescription medicines
Speaker:Woo.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That was a breath.
Speaker:That was a breath.
Speaker:That was huge.
Speaker:No, there's, there's a lot of,
Speaker:there's some great stuff in
Speaker:there to impact, to unpack, like,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:your, your journey towards like, you know,
Speaker:led you to plant medicines.
Speaker:And when we talk plant medicines,
Speaker:a lot of times people just
Speaker:think psychedelics or plant medicines.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:there's other plants that are in
Speaker:plant medicines like cannabis,
Speaker:like even just phytonutrient density, uh,
Speaker:vegetables and fruits and things.
Speaker:So I love that the, the,
Speaker:I w when, when you,
Speaker:when you're in this field enough,
Speaker:you know, like the medicine found you,
Speaker:right.
Speaker:It found you in your, your,
Speaker:your story of healing and journey,
Speaker:which led you like, I love the,
Speaker:the synchronicities are just,
Speaker:there's so many breadcrumbs
Speaker:I heard you say, you know, and then,
Speaker:and that's when we, we know,
Speaker:like you were in,
Speaker:you were in Joshua tree.
Speaker:It's on my list of the next
Speaker:place to visit actually.
Speaker:And like you're wandering
Speaker:and you're in connection
Speaker:with nature and you find the,
Speaker:a shaman and then all of a
Speaker:sudden there's this thing
Speaker:called peyote and you
Speaker:explored it and something
Speaker:called you out of the
Speaker:curiosity and you had the
Speaker:courage to dive in which
Speaker:opened your awareness and
Speaker:then things started to
Speaker:follow right and then I
Speaker:love we got a lot to talk
Speaker:about in that story because
Speaker:there's so many really cool
Speaker:defining moments but I also
Speaker:think and it wasn't all
Speaker:you know, it wasn't all this linear, like,
Speaker:oh, everything just fell into place.
Speaker:Like you got into the wrong
Speaker:setting for your first
Speaker:ayahuasca experience, right?
Speaker:Then the medicine,
Speaker:people don't realize that
Speaker:if they haven't experienced it,
Speaker:but the medicine does speak
Speaker:to you in different ways.
Speaker:Some people hear things,
Speaker:some people see things,
Speaker:some people just feel things, but mother,
Speaker:the mother, you know, um,
Speaker:like this is the way but not
Speaker:right now not this way right come
Speaker:you are like here you are
Speaker:you know under and then how
Speaker:the I just I love the the
Speaker:beauty of like you're
Speaker:you're just helping this
Speaker:mom who seems to be like on
Speaker:the same path as you as a
Speaker:mom kids same age and all
Speaker:of a sudden these pills
Speaker:fall out of fall out of her
Speaker:her bag right and yeah for
Speaker:some reason you're just
Speaker:like it's cool it's cool
Speaker:and then all of a sudden
Speaker:she felt connected to ask
Speaker:you that question that you
Speaker:had been pondering
Speaker:which also led you to this
Speaker:whole beautiful thing that
Speaker:you're doing is I'm a mom.
Speaker:I was on meds that I don't
Speaker:feel were necessary at the time.
Speaker:And let's back up here.
Speaker:I don't ever want to vilify medications.
Speaker:They're there for reasons,
Speaker:not for all reasons,
Speaker:but for some reasons.
Speaker:And nobody that's listening here,
Speaker:hopefully we understand that
Speaker:The goal here is to
Speaker:understand that we're over prescribing,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:This is why I feel like our
Speaker:mission is aligned because, you know,
Speaker:ten D prescribing
Speaker:getting people off
Speaker:unnecessary medications is
Speaker:really important.
Speaker:And yes,
Speaker:I think sometimes because it's FDA
Speaker:approved and we have
Speaker:prescribing authority,
Speaker:we tend to just write them
Speaker:off that the FDA has said
Speaker:it's safe and effective for use, but no,
Speaker:there's a lot of effects
Speaker:from these drugs.
Speaker:And when we're messing with
Speaker:neurotransmitter balances
Speaker:and all these other things, it's like,
Speaker:you found in your particular
Speaker:way that you also express, I love this.
Speaker:Like, you're like,
Speaker:I wonder how many other
Speaker:moms have gone through this journey.
Speaker:And so now here you are, I'm a mom,
Speaker:I know it's crazy.
Speaker:people put me on some some
Speaker:people can have postpartum
Speaker:depression and all these
Speaker:other things but it was
Speaker:interesting that the doctor
Speaker:just wrote it and you know
Speaker:moved on but we kind of
Speaker:understand that it's not
Speaker:really anyone's fault but
Speaker:it is worth noting because
Speaker:it didn't feel didn't sound
Speaker:or feel to me either like
Speaker:that we had taken the whole
Speaker:picture into consideration
Speaker:it was just like we all
Speaker:know like you get a number
Speaker:you get a kid you're fine
Speaker:and all of a sudden here's
Speaker:two prescriptions like I've
Speaker:seen this a lot in my own
Speaker:personal journey with you
Speaker:know my wife recovering
Speaker:from different things and
Speaker:health related issues where
Speaker:it's really mainstay now
Speaker:it's like the doctor just simply
Speaker:like gives you prescriptions
Speaker:like you're supposed to
Speaker:have them and that's like
Speaker:just it's just the way and
Speaker:manner in which our system
Speaker:is is in their space and so
Speaker:you questioned it like you
Speaker:like and I want to get off
Speaker:but I don't know how and
Speaker:I'm just thinking in the
Speaker:back of my head like this
Speaker:is what I love to do I want
Speaker:to give more people options
Speaker:to say well I don't want
Speaker:these and if it fits let's
Speaker:see what else we it's not
Speaker:that I get off it it was I
Speaker:want to explore these other
Speaker:ways that I know can help me
Speaker:And that's what you're doing now.
Speaker:You're helping moms.
Speaker:You're helping with, you know,
Speaker:the shifting from, hey,
Speaker:if you feel these
Speaker:medications aren't great for you,
Speaker:it's not necessarily, like,
Speaker:I always just say
Speaker:empowerment is so critical now.
Speaker:In this day and age.
Speaker:yeah and it's it's it's it's
Speaker:also empowering when you're
Speaker:informed like choose what
Speaker:you want to do don't just
Speaker:take like take the
Speaker:prescription home but do
Speaker:research on it first go see
Speaker:how you're feeling if
Speaker:you're if you're feeling
Speaker:happy and you just got
Speaker:prescribed prozac wait a
Speaker:couple days wait a week and
Speaker:see have a check-ins with
Speaker:yourself meditate and see
Speaker:do I really need to go on
Speaker:an antidepressant or is it
Speaker:I'm just a little sleep
Speaker:deprived right now
Speaker:Every new parent's sleep.
Speaker:I'm so glad you brought this
Speaker:up because this has been a
Speaker:big thing for me in my
Speaker:career is empowering people
Speaker:to make informed,
Speaker:confident decisions about
Speaker:their own health.
Speaker:And I think a lot of times
Speaker:we get into the mix of like,
Speaker:you see the guy or the
Speaker:woman in the coat who tells
Speaker:you what's wrong with you.
Speaker:They prescribe a thing and
Speaker:it's like the hero's
Speaker:journey is backwards.
Speaker:It's like they're the hero
Speaker:in your journey.
Speaker:And there's nothing
Speaker:necessarily wrong with that,
Speaker:except if we take it
Speaker:blindly and we just say the
Speaker:doctor said to take my medication.
Speaker:We're not saying to question authority,
Speaker:but we're also saying, you know,
Speaker:empowering your own self and saying, like,
Speaker:is this medically because
Speaker:we know like Prozac is if
Speaker:we look at the data.
Speaker:Like for mild to moderate depression,
Speaker:exercise works better than Prozac.
Speaker:So we need to know that
Speaker:there's more options.
Speaker:And I think that's what
Speaker:we're both getting at here.
Speaker:We're not saying wrong.
Speaker:We're saying that's what the
Speaker:system or the traditional
Speaker:pathways tend to be.
Speaker:the pill for the ill approach.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But what else could I do if
Speaker:I'm not feeling that bad?
Speaker:And I don't really realize why, like,
Speaker:did they even talk with you
Speaker:and understand, like,
Speaker:we're going to give you
Speaker:these medications because this is,
Speaker:this is, this is just like,
Speaker:here's the drugs go.
Speaker:And I'm glad that you like, but,
Speaker:and then the beauty of all
Speaker:this and why I'm so happy is, um,
Speaker:you're taking this from the
Speaker:perspective of the bigger piece.
Speaker:Like there's more,
Speaker:I'm not the only person here, right?
Speaker:There's more moms that are
Speaker:going through this process.
Speaker:And yes,
Speaker:we do know that sometimes it's
Speaker:appropriate, but sometimes let's just,
Speaker:let's just agree, you know,
Speaker:like sometimes it's not
Speaker:necessary or not appropriate.
Speaker:And we're trying to figure that out.
Speaker:And so you, you, you,
Speaker:And then the integration side.
Speaker:So I love how you took who
Speaker:you are and who you became.
Speaker:Like plant medicine advocate,
Speaker:you're doing it the right way.
Speaker:every single person we're
Speaker:interviewing on on this
Speaker:podcast is is the same
Speaker:space we got to do it the
Speaker:right way we got to do the
Speaker:front work the preparation
Speaker:the dieta which is the
Speaker:preparation the diet the
Speaker:fasting and the mindset
Speaker:right set and setting and
Speaker:then the journey work doing
Speaker:it with the right shaman
Speaker:not the one cooking burgers
Speaker:before ayahuasca right who
Speaker:does that actually been
Speaker:trained and and knows how
Speaker:to serve the medicine and then
Speaker:We both like and then you
Speaker:you understood that there
Speaker:was that third piece that
Speaker:was integration into the life.
Speaker:That's the most important part,
Speaker:in my opinion.
Speaker:They're all important, equally important.
Speaker:And and so you took your
Speaker:background in psychology,
Speaker:took your background in
Speaker:your your journey coming
Speaker:through a covid and being a motherhood.
Speaker:And then looking at that and
Speaker:how I can help the world.
Speaker:And then you've just put all
Speaker:the pieces together for Nikita.
Speaker:And I love that.
Speaker:It's like, oh, I'm a mom.
Speaker:I can help parents navigate
Speaker:this stuff outside of the
Speaker:world of SSRIs or mood stabilizers.
Speaker:And then you're exploring
Speaker:these other things that might be working.
Speaker:So I love it.
Speaker:I just think it's such a
Speaker:beautiful path that you've
Speaker:been on and you continue to be on.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:Really,
Speaker:this path has brought me a lot of
Speaker:happiness.
Speaker:And as I've been on it and
Speaker:working now with clients
Speaker:and seeing them have true
Speaker:results and how happy they are,
Speaker:it's inspiring.
Speaker:And it also could be too.
Speaker:I work with dads also where
Speaker:they bring in the second or
Speaker:the third child and they're
Speaker:they're struggling they're
Speaker:they're like I don't feel
Speaker:like I'm a good dad or
Speaker:they're going through their
Speaker:own stuff too so sometimes
Speaker:with them doing a little
Speaker:bit of a microdose protocol
Speaker:and I have a six week and a
Speaker:twelve week it kind of just
Speaker:lets them be in tuned with
Speaker:themselves and I I had one
Speaker:guy he quit smoking and it
Speaker:was uh his daughter um came
Speaker:to him with a pack of
Speaker:cigarettes and she was like
Speaker:oh daddy I'm like you she's five
Speaker:Then he reached out to me a
Speaker:week later and he was like, hey,
Speaker:I need to quit smoking.
Speaker:Can you help me with microdosing?
Speaker:So we went into, we started microdosing.
Speaker:We went through the assessment,
Speaker:started prepping him,
Speaker:went through the microdosing protocol.
Speaker:He was with me for about twelve weeks,
Speaker:successfully quit smoking.
Speaker:He was smoking three packs a day.
Speaker:And what was happening was he was like,
Speaker:now I just my daughter is
Speaker:missing the time that I would go outside.
Speaker:So he would like go outside
Speaker:and like do jumping jacks.
Speaker:So just to get because that
Speaker:was his relief going
Speaker:outside for a cigarette.
Speaker:so now he start him and his
Speaker:daughter uh go for
Speaker:pedicures every other week
Speaker:so like because she was
Speaker:like well daddy can you
Speaker:start smoking again so that
Speaker:we can go outside and go
Speaker:for our walks he's like no
Speaker:baby we're gonna try
Speaker:something different so then
Speaker:him and I were talking
Speaker:about his daughter what she
Speaker:likes and I suggested
Speaker:pedicures and now the two
Speaker:of them go every other week
Speaker:and that's his bonding time
Speaker:with her and it doesn't
Speaker:have to be over some like a
Speaker:substance that's not healthy
Speaker:Or women have come to me
Speaker:where they're having like the culture,
Speaker:like culture wine and it's
Speaker:culturally acceptable.
Speaker:And it's just, it's,
Speaker:you go to a play date and
Speaker:moms are offering you a bottle.
Speaker:There's two bottles of wine.
Speaker:You're like white or Rose.
Speaker:And you're like, I'm driving after this,
Speaker:you know?
Speaker:Or which pill of Xanax do you want?
Speaker:You know, it's like, if you're like, Oh,
Speaker:I'm feeling anxiety.
Speaker:Like seriously,
Speaker:it's like three women will be like,
Speaker:Oh honey, what do you need?
Speaker:And you're like,
Speaker:this should not be doing we
Speaker:should not be doing this
Speaker:like okay so we're gonna go
Speaker:and drink and then take a
Speaker:xanax and like this is not
Speaker:healthy and we have our
Speaker:kids around us like what
Speaker:are now what are we
Speaker:teaching our kids so it's
Speaker:it's you want to end up
Speaker:teaching your kids and
Speaker:what's great with microdosing and
Speaker:and psychedelics is it gets
Speaker:you to relate with your childhood again.
Speaker:So like just playing with your kid,
Speaker:just getting out and being
Speaker:in nature and different things like that.
Speaker:It's so beautiful.
Speaker:And a lot of times it's parents get into,
Speaker:I got to go, I dropped them off.
Speaker:I got to go to work.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It's a five o'clock glass of wine.
Speaker:This is normal.
Speaker:Like this is not normal.
Speaker:This is not normal.
Speaker:They probably have to,
Speaker:they're not sleeping well
Speaker:and they're just using
Speaker:something else to mask it.
Speaker:So it's,
Speaker:yeah well it's the numbing
Speaker:thing of life right we we
Speaker:all understand that our
Speaker:lives are hectic and we got
Speaker:to check off all the boxes
Speaker:and then you know in my
Speaker:experience with with
Speaker:psychedelics and and
Speaker:there's other ways to do
Speaker:this we've talked about
Speaker:breath work we've talked
Speaker:about meditation in this
Speaker:and other podcasts like
Speaker:it's not just I have to
Speaker:take something I've been
Speaker:I've been I've been on this
Speaker:path now to go
Speaker:all right, I really look at plant,
Speaker:the psychedelics as plant medicines.
Speaker:And I start to really start talk about
Speaker:prescriptions as being medications,
Speaker:because I feel like they're different,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:They're just in this different era.
Speaker:And because I think a lot of people are,
Speaker:are using these in different ways,
Speaker:like more of a holistic natural way,
Speaker:because on a macro dose
Speaker:where it's perceptual and you're in a,
Speaker:you're in a psychedelic state,
Speaker:a non-ordinary state of consciousness,
Speaker:Or if you're in a micro dose
Speaker:state where you're in a sub
Speaker:perceptual space where
Speaker:you're not seeing or seeing
Speaker:the realities as being slightly different,
Speaker:but you're still in the
Speaker:space of what the plants do.
Speaker:It's almost like homeopathy.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so you're looking at the
Speaker:energetics of being homeopathic.
Speaker:being in the present moment
Speaker:is what we're talking about
Speaker:with your kids and with yourself.
Speaker:And then that playfulness of
Speaker:being connected with nature and,
Speaker:and it's still working on
Speaker:the neuroplasticity and, and,
Speaker:and how the brain forms
Speaker:these new connections,
Speaker:which is how we actually train,
Speaker:change our belief patterns.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so you guide people on, on that,
Speaker:you guide them on the integration,
Speaker:you guiding them on ways
Speaker:and manners in which they can use, um,
Speaker:these these modalities these
Speaker:tools we can call them to
Speaker:help them so they don't
Speaker:have to take and and the
Speaker:way and a lot of people I
Speaker:want to make sure in this
Speaker:and all the other places
Speaker:you go like psychedelics to
Speaker:me are medicines and
Speaker:they're not and then when I
Speaker:say how the difference
Speaker:between that and like
Speaker:alcohol or that in like a substance is
Speaker:whether you talk woo or science,
Speaker:it doesn't matter.
Speaker:It's,
Speaker:it's about its regenerative nature
Speaker:versus something that's
Speaker:depleting in nature.
Speaker:Now you're going to call it energetics.
Speaker:You can call it physicality.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:we know that alcohol is a numbing agent.
Speaker:It numbs down
Speaker:the fields, it gets people relaxed and yes,
Speaker:a drink or two socially
Speaker:every other month or, you know, one,
Speaker:whatever that timeframe is for you.
Speaker:We know that consistency of
Speaker:doing it to numb is not healthy.
Speaker:We know that we know that regular
Speaker:Alcohol is not great for you.
Speaker:And it's it's something that
Speaker:has been used in, you know,
Speaker:for many thousands of years as a tool.
Speaker:But sometimes we move it to
Speaker:the other side.
Speaker:And so I just want to make
Speaker:sure people understand,
Speaker:like the things we're
Speaker:talking about with the psychedelics,
Speaker:whether it's psilocybin, ayahuasca,
Speaker:peyote, these things.
Speaker:They're regenerative in nature.
Speaker:They're regenerative to us.
Speaker:Now, in the moment,
Speaker:they can be stressful
Speaker:because you might be going
Speaker:through a journey and things like that,
Speaker:but they're moving in the
Speaker:space of moving people
Speaker:towards a betterness,
Speaker:whereas the other stuff is
Speaker:really an excuse to...
Speaker:for whatever reason,
Speaker:conscious or unconscious
Speaker:and that type of thing.
Speaker:And I think that's where my
Speaker:brain goes when we talk about,
Speaker:because sometimes it's
Speaker:substance and then compare
Speaker:it to substance.
Speaker:It's like, oh,
Speaker:that's a drug and that's a drug.
Speaker:It's like, no,
Speaker:but there's a component to
Speaker:these medicines that is
Speaker:regenerative and healing
Speaker:versus something that's not, right?
Speaker:This is why we can't say
Speaker:cocaine is a plant medicine.
Speaker:It comes from plants,
Speaker:but it's certainly not regenerative.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:So I just want to make sure
Speaker:because sometimes people are thinking,
Speaker:well,
Speaker:you're talking about a substance A
Speaker:over here and substance B over here.
Speaker:And it's there's different places for them,
Speaker:in my opinion.
Speaker:So talk to us a little bit
Speaker:about the new website you just launched.
Speaker:Psychedelic Parenting.
Speaker:Yeah, it's called The Psychedelic Parents.
Speaker:You can follow me on
Speaker:Instagram at The Psychedelic Parent.
Speaker:So basically what that is,
Speaker:it tells my story about how
Speaker:I came off of SSRIs and
Speaker:that I'm here to help other parents.
Speaker:um people can go they can I
Speaker:I have a blog on there they
Speaker:can see I I I love research
Speaker:so I'll read a lot with
Speaker:john hopkins I'll read a
Speaker:lot from maps or any
Speaker:research that comes out um
Speaker:I end up putting it on
Speaker:there uh there's one where
Speaker:it's it talks about uh
Speaker:people using sylvie simon
Speaker:on ozempic so I try to keep
Speaker:up with the latest trends
Speaker:that are going on and
Speaker:into, into our space.
Speaker:But with the website too,
Speaker:it's able for people to see
Speaker:the different services that
Speaker:I offer to book a session.
Speaker:And I always do a free
Speaker:discovery call because I
Speaker:always like to make sure
Speaker:that we both are on the same page.
Speaker:There's a connection because
Speaker:if there's not a connection or if I'm,
Speaker:we might not be aligned then
Speaker:there's someone else that I
Speaker:can I can connect you with
Speaker:so it's just it's I always
Speaker:like to do that free one
Speaker:because I feel that having
Speaker:that connection where you
Speaker:feel comfortable that's
Speaker:that's how you're starting
Speaker:a healing journey so I
Speaker:always believe in that um
Speaker:And then people could either
Speaker:book a package,
Speaker:they could book a six week,
Speaker:or they could do a twelve week,
Speaker:or they could do individual sessions.
Speaker:A lot of my individual sessions,
Speaker:sometimes people want to
Speaker:try it out before they
Speaker:commit to a whole protocol,
Speaker:microdosing protocol.
Speaker:Other times people have gone
Speaker:to retreats and they
Speaker:They had a great time at the retreat,
Speaker:but then they come back
Speaker:into either if they did it
Speaker:outside of America or
Speaker:wherever they did it,
Speaker:they don't have someone to
Speaker:talk to to help them
Speaker:integrate their lessons,
Speaker:their insights and anything like that.
Speaker:So yes, when we do a macro experience,
Speaker:sometimes it could be beautiful.
Speaker:Sometimes it's really hard,
Speaker:but those hard ceremonies
Speaker:usually give you the best insights.
Speaker:But if you don't sit with
Speaker:someone who knows how to go
Speaker:over the insights with you,
Speaker:you're going to still be lost.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:let's talk about that because it's on
Speaker:my list.
Speaker:It's always on my list to talk about.
Speaker:When we talk about
Speaker:plant medicine, psychedelic experiences,
Speaker:journey work,
Speaker:non-ordinary states of consciousness,
Speaker:because there's a lot that goes on.
Speaker:And I think there's a lot of misconception,
Speaker:not only just around the substances,
Speaker:because they're very safe,
Speaker:they're very effective,
Speaker:but the effectiveness doesn't happen.
Speaker:Everybody says,
Speaker:go through the journey and
Speaker:you have a profound experience, but
Speaker:There's a whole lot going on up here,
Speaker:energetically, body, mind, spirit.
Speaker:So talk from your place
Speaker:because you put a lot of
Speaker:emphasis in your career as well.
Speaker:We need to talk a little bit
Speaker:about integration work and
Speaker:what does that mean and why
Speaker:it's so important.
Speaker:I work a lot with people
Speaker:that want to understand the
Speaker:medicines and the
Speaker:preparation work and where
Speaker:they should go for journeys
Speaker:because we want people...
Speaker:to prepare properly for sure
Speaker:and to make sure it's right
Speaker:for them in the right
Speaker:situations because all the
Speaker:medicines are very
Speaker:different and and doing it
Speaker:in the right fashion in
Speaker:other words a safe set and
Speaker:setting that's done
Speaker:properly we the journey
Speaker:work and doing it legally
Speaker:in the right places not not
Speaker:in some shady place background but then
Speaker:the big piece is people try
Speaker:to get to that space,
Speaker:but then all of a sudden they go, Whoa,
Speaker:what happened here?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so talk to,
Speaker:talk to people about the
Speaker:process of integration, what you do,
Speaker:but like also why it's so dang important,
Speaker:because if you don't integrate,
Speaker:it's like having a fun,
Speaker:crazy experience at the, you know,
Speaker:at the amusement park.
Speaker:You went on the, you went on the,
Speaker:you went on the roller coaster.
Speaker:You said, Holy crap, that was amazing.
Speaker:And then you got off it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But integration is where the work is.
Speaker:It's where that integrated
Speaker:into your life and you get
Speaker:the meaning out of this.
Speaker:I'm still integrating.
Speaker:Like integration is almost a
Speaker:lifetime experience,
Speaker:but that three to six month
Speaker:period is so crucial.
Speaker:I want you to talk to them
Speaker:because I think it's really important.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So the three to six months, especially,
Speaker:so what we ended up doing
Speaker:is I will check in with the
Speaker:client and see where they're at.
Speaker:I want to hear their, their experience,
Speaker:what they saw, if they were happy,
Speaker:if they were sad and how
Speaker:they're currently feeling.
Speaker:So then we get a baseline.
Speaker:I have them fill out a bunch
Speaker:of forms and then this way
Speaker:I'm able to see exactly how
Speaker:they're feeling.
Speaker:So I know how to structure it.
Speaker:Then I asked them,
Speaker:What's the first thing you
Speaker:did when you came back?
Speaker:So I want to see like what they're doing.
Speaker:Did they go to a concert?
Speaker:Did they go to the bar?
Speaker:Did they go and go to church?
Speaker:Or what did they do for
Speaker:themselves when they came back?
Speaker:So some people do it
Speaker:properly and some people come home,
Speaker:they rest, they take care of themselves,
Speaker:they'll do self-care.
Speaker:And other people don't.
Speaker:And then when they don't do it properly,
Speaker:you're losing that insight.
Speaker:All my clients get a journal.
Speaker:I'm a big believer in journaling.
Speaker:When we journal,
Speaker:it starts to break that path.
Speaker:If we're saying it in our
Speaker:head multiple times,
Speaker:it helps us break that cycle of it.
Speaker:keep going.
Speaker:So all my clients get a journal.
Speaker:Once they have the journal,
Speaker:I let them do their own journaling.
Speaker:If they need prompts,
Speaker:then I'll like some people
Speaker:like I can't journal.
Speaker:I'm like, great, I'll give you prompts,
Speaker:you know?
Speaker:So then I give them prompts
Speaker:to get them into the routine.
Speaker:I'm starting to journal.
Speaker:um then I start to look at
Speaker:their their health styles
Speaker:so their and their
Speaker:lifestyle so what are you
Speaker:eating for breakfast are
Speaker:you implementing fasting
Speaker:are you what vitamins are
Speaker:you taking um a lot of
Speaker:times it's everything's
Speaker:stored in our gut so it's
Speaker:like if we're really upset
Speaker:our gut's going to be upset
Speaker:so I always get my clients
Speaker:I recommend them to start
Speaker:prebiotics probiotics
Speaker:Just to, you know,
Speaker:not any percent of our
Speaker:serotonin is created in our gut.
Speaker:So if we have a good gut health,
Speaker:that really helps with everything.
Speaker:They think I'm a little
Speaker:crazy when I'm first recommending it.
Speaker:And then they start doing it
Speaker:with them by the by the month.
Speaker:They're like, wow, I feel great.
Speaker:After we do that,
Speaker:I like to do a microdosing
Speaker:protocol about two weeks
Speaker:after they do a macrodose experience.
Speaker:I like to do this because it
Speaker:gives your body that washout period,
Speaker:but your neuroplasticity is still open.
Speaker:So it's around like,
Speaker:twelve to sixteen days
Speaker:where it's still open.
Speaker:So that's why we do it
Speaker:immediately week two, fourteen days after,
Speaker:let's start.
Speaker:So that's where they source
Speaker:out their medicine or I can
Speaker:help them find a reliable
Speaker:source that's lab tested and all of that.
Speaker:That's really big.
Speaker:Don't call any random person
Speaker:to get a microdose.
Speaker:Make sure what you're
Speaker:getting is lab tested.
Speaker:You believe in the company.
Speaker:and all of that because you
Speaker:never know people can mix
Speaker:other things in and that's
Speaker:not the experience you want.
Speaker:So I'm big with that.
Speaker:And basically when we start micro dosing,
Speaker:I'm with all my clients
Speaker:either virtually or if I
Speaker:have clients in person,
Speaker:we do our first micro
Speaker:experience together and I
Speaker:go for a walk with them.
Speaker:If it's a nice day,
Speaker:we go for a walk and
Speaker:usually that's how I plan
Speaker:it or I'll have them if
Speaker:they have an inside gym.
Speaker:I'll have them work out for
Speaker:a little bit as they're
Speaker:doing their microdose.
Speaker:And then just check in.
Speaker:How are you feeling?
Speaker:What are you seeing?
Speaker:How do colors look?
Speaker:How is your focus level?
Speaker:The biggest part of the
Speaker:first week when we start
Speaker:microdosing is I want to be
Speaker:able to see...
Speaker:Again, it's sub-perceptual.
Speaker:So if they're microdosing, they're like,
Speaker:oh, I feel really giddy and not focused.
Speaker:It's okay.
Speaker:So we're going to cut back.
Speaker:So it's within that first week.
Speaker:That's when we really learn
Speaker:each person because a
Speaker:microdose is point one to point three.
Speaker:So once we figure out that
Speaker:person's tolerance,
Speaker:then that's what they stay with.
Speaker:um I always recommend that
Speaker:they stay on a schedule
Speaker:that's consistent every day
Speaker:or not every day but we we
Speaker:make a certain protocol and
Speaker:they take it consistently
Speaker:at that time when they're
Speaker:supposed to do it um and I
Speaker:usually have them do like a
Speaker:mantra with it or something
Speaker:where they like paleo
Speaker:santos and it's just
Speaker:they're they're taking two
Speaker:or three minutes to center
Speaker:in with themselves and
Speaker:before I say say a mantra
Speaker:let your paleo santos let
Speaker:your sage or whatever makes you happy
Speaker:take a couple deep breaths in,
Speaker:do some breath work, and then take it.
Speaker:And then that's when they're able to go,
Speaker:they work, they pick up their kids,
Speaker:they're able to do
Speaker:everything that they're
Speaker:supposed to be doing.
Speaker:But sometimes what happens
Speaker:when they're microdosing,
Speaker:and especially after a
Speaker:macrodose experience,
Speaker:it helps them with the
Speaker:unanswered questions.
Speaker:So sometimes they'll be like, I feel great,
Speaker:I feel great.
Speaker:three weeks and they're like, hey, okay,
Speaker:I'm feeling a little depressed right now.
Speaker:Like I just had the macro dose experience.
Speaker:Now I'm micro dosing and I
Speaker:feel like I'm lost.
Speaker:And that's where we kind of
Speaker:just dive into deeper emotions.
Speaker:And when did you start feeling this?
Speaker:It could have been ten years ago.
Speaker:And then when we get to the ten year part,
Speaker:then it could have been
Speaker:like from twenty years from
Speaker:a certain experience.
Speaker:So start doing parts work
Speaker:with them and different
Speaker:types of work so that we can see where
Speaker:that fear or anger or
Speaker:anxiety has harbored all
Speaker:throughout your life and
Speaker:it's just now coming up so
Speaker:a lot of times definitely
Speaker:definitely that surface
Speaker:thing I've experienced that
Speaker:too where it's like
Speaker:Well, one,
Speaker:we are emphasizing don't go on
Speaker:the guy in the corner to get your stuff.
Speaker:Like, don't do this.
Speaker:Don't do this.
Speaker:There's too much.
Speaker:I've had too many bad
Speaker:experiences as a pharmacist
Speaker:to understand.
Speaker:Like, don't go on the street.
Speaker:Like, there's labs and reputable places.
Speaker:And if you don't know,
Speaker:then find someone that does
Speaker:and consult with them.
Speaker:that is crucial like we need
Speaker:to make sure it's safe and
Speaker:then dosing is safe and and
Speaker:the professionals are
Speaker:helping you in this space
Speaker:and I I love my experience
Speaker:with with micro dosing has
Speaker:also been as like it does
Speaker:it brings out that it kind
Speaker:of just bubbles out that
Speaker:surface level stuff it's
Speaker:just kind of like allows
Speaker:you to kind of go through
Speaker:it and and some people can experience
Speaker:heightened emotions, right?
Speaker:And so we have to look at that and say,
Speaker:it's not that we're
Speaker:re-experiencing these things.
Speaker:It's, I always believe these,
Speaker:the medicines,
Speaker:they give you what you need.
Speaker:And then having someone like
Speaker:you or an integration
Speaker:therapist or anybody that's really,
Speaker:it's really important for
Speaker:people to know like
Speaker:integration is important
Speaker:and people that are trained
Speaker:in this specific realm,
Speaker:because it's not just,
Speaker:talk therapy or any of the other parts.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:but those are when this part of
Speaker:the space actually is
Speaker:really helpful as you have
Speaker:integration work,
Speaker:which can lead to the parts work,
Speaker:which can lead to the other
Speaker:types of modalities,
Speaker:because those are the tools
Speaker:that can align, right?
Speaker:Align in this space.
Speaker:There's no one size fits all here.
Speaker:It's all just, and I love that we're
Speaker:you're giving space to the energetics of
Speaker:honoring the medicine and
Speaker:doing it with mantras and
Speaker:doing it with the good
Speaker:purposeful intention
Speaker:because that's how it works
Speaker:and that's how that's how
Speaker:it's supposed to be because
Speaker:there is this space not
Speaker:like oh I'm just taking my
Speaker:drug today like it's
Speaker:literally a whole part of
Speaker:the experience that makes
Speaker:it life right life is an
Speaker:experience life isn't just a
Speaker:a thing that you do, it's a whole process.
Speaker:And so I'm glad that you're
Speaker:kind of weaving it into the
Speaker:patient or the, sorry,
Speaker:the person and moving them
Speaker:through this beautiful kind
Speaker:of journey that they're on.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then what I always set
Speaker:up for my clients to where
Speaker:we speak for fifty minutes,
Speaker:but I always leave where
Speaker:there's a ten minutes in between.
Speaker:And for those ten minutes,
Speaker:if they're all of a sudden there,
Speaker:say they're micro dosing
Speaker:two or three days a week
Speaker:and one of those days like
Speaker:a big insight comes up or
Speaker:they're just having a hard day.
Speaker:Call me.
Speaker:Call me.
Speaker:Let's get on the phone.
Speaker:Let's try to figure
Speaker:something out within like
Speaker:that ten minutes or I'll
Speaker:restructure how the next
Speaker:session is going to be.
Speaker:If it's the ones who like journaling,
Speaker:send them some prompts that
Speaker:might help them come through that.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:and then just make recommendations for
Speaker:them.
Speaker:Go a lot.
Speaker:A lot of my clients are big into fitness.
Speaker:So it's go, go sit in the sauna,
Speaker:go sit in the steam,
Speaker:go meditate for a couple
Speaker:minutes and sit in that feeling.
Speaker:Cause you don't want to keep
Speaker:numbing that feeling.
Speaker:If you keep numbing that feeling,
Speaker:it's going to always be there.
Speaker:So sometimes you have to cry
Speaker:and you got to feel the fields.
Speaker:Um, and just like we do with our children,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:Like it's the whole process.
Speaker:It's like, you don't,
Speaker:you don't push that stuff down.
Speaker:You let them express it and
Speaker:then move through it just
Speaker:like in a macro journey or
Speaker:in an emotional journey.
Speaker:It's the only way forward is through.
Speaker:And so moving people through that,
Speaker:but being their guide, I think that's,
Speaker:what's really important is
Speaker:you're their guide in their journey.
Speaker:alongside them hey call me
Speaker:if something comes up like
Speaker:this is part of the process
Speaker:because I I had a beautiful
Speaker:integration coach uh
Speaker:through my transformational
Speaker:experience I was similar to
Speaker:you like I went to peru and
Speaker:then I integrated in the
Speaker:andes for ten days and then
Speaker:like and then the journey
Speaker:the journey continued like
Speaker:the journey was like I came
Speaker:home and I was like
Speaker:okay, this is just the beginning.
Speaker:This isn't the, you know, the end.
Speaker:And, and I had,
Speaker:I had set that up because I
Speaker:had the right pieces for me
Speaker:and it was really beautiful.
Speaker:I had a really good friend
Speaker:who's in my front row dad's group.
Speaker:Cause I'm big into the dad's thing,
Speaker:doing growth work with dads in my group.
Speaker:And he was awesome for me.
Speaker:And then I had my
Speaker:integration coach and
Speaker:everything was aligning
Speaker:because she did the same thing with me.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Like the journaling,
Speaker:she went through the whole process of,
Speaker:all right, what were your intentions?
Speaker:And now let's see how
Speaker:they're unfolding for you.
Speaker:And it was beautiful because
Speaker:I hadn't thought about it.
Speaker:And then she came up, she's like,
Speaker:here's the notes before we went.
Speaker:Here's all the intentions
Speaker:that she went through them.
Speaker:And she was like,
Speaker:how are these unfolding for you now?
Speaker:And I was like, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker:Holy crap.
Speaker:All these have happened.
Speaker:And I was like, this is beautiful.
Speaker:And so we need guides, not just the shaman,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:We need the guides that are
Speaker:going to be in the part of
Speaker:this journey of preparing
Speaker:the journey work,
Speaker:guiding people into the
Speaker:right decisions that feel good.
Speaker:Because sometimes...
Speaker:they don't quite know
Speaker:exactly how it's unfolding for them.
Speaker:And sometimes there's a
Speaker:process of also non-doing
Speaker:of just like you said,
Speaker:Just sit with that.
Speaker:Sit with that for a while.
Speaker:Don't push it out.
Speaker:It's there for a reason.
Speaker:So let's let it come up and
Speaker:let's not name it or, you know,
Speaker:put anything of that type of stuff on it.
Speaker:Just let it sit there.
Speaker:Let it be.
Speaker:And then move in and allow that to happen.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That's the beauty of all that stuff.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Well, it's funny with intentions, too,
Speaker:because some you hit right on, right?
Speaker:And then there's others
Speaker:where you didn't set that intention,
Speaker:but the medicine is speaking to you.
Speaker:So it's just it's I set
Speaker:someone up into they I
Speaker:worked with them for their assessment,
Speaker:for their preparation,
Speaker:and then they had our
Speaker:intentions and they went to
Speaker:a retreat center.
Speaker:I recommended them to.
Speaker:they went there and then
Speaker:they they call me on day
Speaker:three of the retreat I'm
Speaker:like everything okay how
Speaker:are you feeling how are the
Speaker:facilitators right and
Speaker:they're like you know what
Speaker:I need to add to my
Speaker:intention I was like you
Speaker:have your journal you got
Speaker:this and he's like no I
Speaker:just need to let you know
Speaker:that I've been eating so
Speaker:bad like everything I'm
Speaker:eating this is why I am I'm
Speaker:overweight this is why I'm
Speaker:having gut issues this is
Speaker:why my hips hurting the
Speaker:medicine told me that I
Speaker:have to stop eating fast
Speaker:food and I was like
Speaker:wasn't even our intention
Speaker:like so it's really cool
Speaker:how you set your intentions
Speaker:but also the medicine will
Speaker:okay we'll get there we'll
Speaker:get there but we need to do
Speaker:this too well like it like
Speaker:highlights something yeah
Speaker:well it's it's so it's so
Speaker:fun to watch people go
Speaker:through and experiences because
Speaker:we're, we're,
Speaker:we're the creators of our
Speaker:existence and our destiny
Speaker:and our experience.
Speaker:And then we also have God, universe,
Speaker:spirit, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker:Like there's another part to it, right?
Speaker:There's a divine
Speaker:intervention that can happen where yes,
Speaker:you may have an intention, but
Speaker:But this is what you needed, right?
Speaker:I always just say the
Speaker:medicine is always going to
Speaker:give you what you need, no matter what.
Speaker:And this is why I don't ever
Speaker:say there's bad trips.
Speaker:They're challenging.
Speaker:And when we're facilitating them,
Speaker:and now bad to me means it
Speaker:was not facilitated properly.
Speaker:We didn't get it in the right setting.
Speaker:And there's a lot of abuse.
Speaker:There's a lot of...
Speaker:of negative vibrational
Speaker:people doing this stuff too.
Speaker:This is why I want to make
Speaker:sure people do it right.
Speaker:That's a whole nother,
Speaker:a whole nother conversation.
Speaker:But if you're in that space
Speaker:and you're having a
Speaker:challenging experience,
Speaker:it's because there's always
Speaker:a reason behind that, right?
Speaker:There's a reason to uncover
Speaker:the challenges.
Speaker:And in other words,
Speaker:I firmly believe that like,
Speaker:it's not all just like complete love and,
Speaker:and like, it's, it,
Speaker:there can be challenges and those are for,
Speaker:and,
Speaker:and if we take it with an integration
Speaker:coach and with someone that understands,
Speaker:like, where is the meaning here?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Where is it?
Speaker:Where, what, what's going on here that I,
Speaker:what's, I always say,
Speaker:what am I supposed to learn here?
Speaker:Whether it's medicine or not,
Speaker:it's like we're winning or learning.
Speaker:So what am I learning here?
Speaker:And learning seems to be like, it's a win,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:If we, if we learn from the experience,
Speaker:we're good.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And that's where the deep
Speaker:insights come from, by the way.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And as long as, yeah.
Speaker:And as long as you're at the
Speaker:set and setting, you're,
Speaker:you're a trusted shaman,
Speaker:trusted facilitators,
Speaker:trusted medicine people.
Speaker:Cause sometimes you might
Speaker:need a medicine woman to come over if,
Speaker:if it's a negative time to, you know,
Speaker:to do say a prayer to,
Speaker:do whatever they do with the,
Speaker:I can't think of the name right now,
Speaker:but it was like people
Speaker:would come over if like
Speaker:they were struggling and
Speaker:would say a prayer and do
Speaker:just certain incense around
Speaker:them and rose water.
Speaker:And that would help them
Speaker:bring into like a different space.
Speaker:So it's, I always say to my clients,
Speaker:some of them, they'll be like, oh, well,
Speaker:I could find this retreat.
Speaker:That one's a little expensive.
Speaker:I can go to this one.
Speaker:I'm like, oh, please, please,
Speaker:can you just send it to me?
Speaker:Let me just do my research
Speaker:on it before you go to save
Speaker:a thousand dollars because
Speaker:you're going to end up
Speaker:going and having a horrible
Speaker:experience if it's in someone's backyard.
Speaker:And I always think of how my
Speaker:experience was.
Speaker:So I never want my clients
Speaker:to experience that because that's not,
Speaker:not ideal.
Speaker:And it's just now it's
Speaker:especially with the
Speaker:psychedelic coaching Institute.
Speaker:There's so many of us who
Speaker:are doing retreats and
Speaker:different things like that,
Speaker:where it's like,
Speaker:I can link you to someone
Speaker:and then know that you're
Speaker:with a safe person that I
Speaker:can check in and just be like,
Speaker:how are they doing?
Speaker:And
Speaker:Well, that,
Speaker:that is a big space that I think is, is,
Speaker:is important for people.
Speaker:This is why you hire guides, right?
Speaker:A guide is to help you not
Speaker:make the same mistakes.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Sometimes it's just to,
Speaker:to get you in the right place that fits.
Speaker:We had this conversation the
Speaker:other day is like, you shouldn't, there's,
Speaker:you shouldn't pick a place
Speaker:because of the calendar, right?
Speaker:It's like, oh, that fits my weekend.
Speaker:Like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker:Like.
Speaker:Like for me,
Speaker:it was really important for me
Speaker:to do it a very original way.
Speaker:Ayahuasca had been calling me and I just,
Speaker:you know, it was the time.
Speaker:It was the time for me to say yes.
Speaker:And when I said yes,
Speaker:it just started unfolding.
Speaker:But one of my biggest,
Speaker:one of the why I chose the
Speaker:place I went to,
Speaker:the Temple of Way of Light in Peru,
Speaker:was because it was done the
Speaker:traditional way with Shibipo healers.
Speaker:And
Speaker:And I had spoken to someone who I trusted.
Speaker:I met,
Speaker:but I knew them from a very trusted
Speaker:person of mine who was
Speaker:doing men's work with me.
Speaker:He had been there.
Speaker:So he told me exactly what
Speaker:the experience was.
Speaker:So there was a firsthand
Speaker:experience where I knew
Speaker:that I could go to a place
Speaker:that was trusted.
Speaker:And so for me,
Speaker:that was another critical point.
Speaker:And I loved it because as I
Speaker:started moving into this
Speaker:space and I had said, yes,
Speaker:they started to unfold for me.
Speaker:It was like, I randomly met this guy.
Speaker:Isn't that magical how that happened?
Speaker:In two and a half weeks,
Speaker:I had three random
Speaker:experiences that led me to
Speaker:this one place in the
Speaker:middle of the Amazon in Peru.
Speaker:So it was like,
Speaker:I kind of trusted after I had started,
Speaker:like I needed to do this, this and this.
Speaker:And all of a sudden I got
Speaker:through all three.
Speaker:It was just, that's- She's like,
Speaker:I'm ready for you, let's go.
Speaker:This is how the medicine works, right?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:That was pretty cool.
Speaker:It's truly when everything
Speaker:starts to align.
Speaker:Cause sometimes some people are like, Oh,
Speaker:I'm scared.
Speaker:I'm scared.
Speaker:I'm like, you will know,
Speaker:like you will just know if
Speaker:everything starts to align,
Speaker:you start putting it out
Speaker:there and then it just all
Speaker:works out and you're like, okay,
Speaker:I'm going to go do it.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:And when it all works out
Speaker:and you keep seeing the
Speaker:sign that kind of reassures
Speaker:yourself and gives you that
Speaker:confidence to.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The synchronicities fall
Speaker:into place when you're in alignment.
Speaker:And if you're not in alignment,
Speaker:it's because you're maybe trying to,
Speaker:to push for it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so the thing with this
Speaker:is we have to learn to slow down.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Our society is all sped up
Speaker:and we got to do this.
Speaker:We got to do this.
Speaker:And all of a sudden it's like,
Speaker:just slow down, slow down.
Speaker:Even with society, it's crazy.
Speaker:Even with, okay,
Speaker:so go out and take a twenty minute walk.
Speaker:Nope.
Speaker:You could take Ozempic now.
Speaker:like instead of actually
Speaker:like starting to work out
Speaker:or something like that
Speaker:they're taking it and
Speaker:they're giving people like
Speaker:faster acting mode to lose
Speaker:weight and that's great if
Speaker:you're if you're obese but
Speaker:half the times I have one
Speaker:dear friend and he parks
Speaker:closest to like the
Speaker:restaurant or closest to
Speaker:the gym and I'll be like
Speaker:let's go park like all the
Speaker:way back there we'll get
Speaker:extra steps in and he's on
Speaker:ozempic he's like I'm not walking extra
Speaker:It's just part of the
Speaker:programming and part of
Speaker:some future podcasts that
Speaker:I've already got connected with is like,
Speaker:there's an ozempic and then
Speaker:there's a nozempic.
Speaker:And the nozempic way for me
Speaker:is diet lifestyle, right?
Speaker:It's moving you.
Speaker:We know we can do this,
Speaker:but we've been trained by
Speaker:pharma and big food that like,
Speaker:hey, you know, just don't change anything.
Speaker:Do what feels good, and then you're fine.
Speaker:Yeah, I do this to my kids all the time.
Speaker:I was like,
Speaker:do you know the percent of
Speaker:people that will take an
Speaker:escalator versus the stairs?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Ninety-eight percent of
Speaker:people will take the escalator.
Speaker:instead of just walking down
Speaker:a flight of stairs.
Speaker:So yeah, we know that,
Speaker:but it's not our fault.
Speaker:We've been programmed.
Speaker:It's just, how do we fight the,
Speaker:how do we get out of the program?
Speaker:We make a different conscious decision,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:That's how we have to move through it.
Speaker:So we got to close up.
Speaker:There's so much going on.
Speaker:I love what you're doing.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:go to psychedelic parent
Speaker:find you on instagram even
Speaker:if you're curious you do
Speaker:discovery calls I call them
Speaker:health strategies same
Speaker:thing if it doesn't fit
Speaker:great I can either find a
Speaker:place for you or I can I
Speaker:can say thanks for meeting
Speaker:me with me right so no
Speaker:obligation it just connects
Speaker:right there's a connection
Speaker:point that's how we do
Speaker:business these days with the you know
Speaker:But what's the one message
Speaker:you want listeners to take
Speaker:away from this conversation,
Speaker:especially around
Speaker:reclaiming health and
Speaker:finding this balance,
Speaker:especially as parents?
Speaker:My one message is if you're
Speaker:really feeling stuck and
Speaker:you are not happy and
Speaker:you're on medicine that's
Speaker:supposed to be making you
Speaker:happy and feel good, but you just...
Speaker:are struggling to get out of bed,
Speaker:are struggling with your
Speaker:significant other,
Speaker:struggling with your kids,
Speaker:there's a way for you to be happy.
Speaker:There's always different
Speaker:ways for you to be happy.
Speaker:Reach out and let's find a
Speaker:regimen or a protocol that
Speaker:works for you so that you
Speaker:can start living your life for you.
Speaker:It's not just all about our kids,
Speaker:not just about our significant other.
Speaker:We have to live our lives for us.
Speaker:It's the whole oxygen mask deal.
Speaker:It's like if we're not in
Speaker:our full alignment and our cup is full,
Speaker:then how can we be of service to others,
Speaker:especially our children?
Speaker:And I think as moms especially,
Speaker:I'll take the scraps, right?
Speaker:Everybody else first.
Speaker:um so I love that you're
Speaker:you're on that alignment of
Speaker:like helping other people
Speaker:because all it is in the
Speaker:way the way I look at it
Speaker:guys is like all it is is
Speaker:conversation it's one phone
Speaker:call right yeah there's
Speaker:nothing beyond that it's
Speaker:just if we want to make
Speaker:these decisions if you are
Speaker:sick and tired of feeling
Speaker:sick and tired or you're
Speaker:stuck like the first step is to just
Speaker:start start by starting so
Speaker:yeah thank you so much for
Speaker:this conversation today I
Speaker:really appreciate
Speaker:everything you're doing um
Speaker:go check out her I'm gonna
Speaker:go check out the new
Speaker:website I want to look at
Speaker:it um I love I love that
Speaker:you're doing something with
Speaker:purpose and passion and
Speaker:intention and and you're
Speaker:you're specific enough to
Speaker:do the right thing with the
Speaker:right people so thank you so much
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you very much for
Speaker:having me on today.
Speaker:And this was a beautiful conversation.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:Well, until next time, everyone,
Speaker:that's a wrap.
Speaker:Stay well.
