#82: What’s Silently Fueling Aging—And How to Stop It Naturally With Dr. Jeff Gross
What’s Silently Fueling Disease and Aging—And How to Stop It Naturally
In an age where medical innovation often feels like science fiction, few are standing at the intersection of neuroscience, regenerative medicine, and biohacking quite like Dr. Gross.
On this powerful episode of Beyond The Pills, we’re joined by Dr. Gross—a board-certified neurological surgeon, longevity consultant, and founder of ReCELLebrate—to explore a radical and promising new approach to healing the body from within. With a background in biochemistry, molecular biology, and over two decades of neurosurgical expertise, Dr. Gross now leads a movement toward non-toxic, regenerative alternatives to conventional treatments—starting with cancer.
At the forefront of this movement is activated natural killer (NK) cell-derived exosome therapy. These microscopic biological messengers are changing the game by supporting the body’s natural surveillance system. They seek out and destroy cancer cells, senescent “zombie” cells, and age-promoting toxins—without harming healthy tissue. It’s a groundbreaking approach that merges the body's God-given design with modern scientific precision.
In this episode, Dr. Gross breaks down:
- Why NK cell-derived exosomes are offering a natural, non-toxic cancer treatment alternative to chemotherapy and radiation
- How senescent cells accelerate aging and disease—and what we can do about it
- His journey from spine surgery to regenerative medicine and why he believes surgery should be the last resort
- The mission and vision behind ReCELLebrate and how it’s transforming how we think about healing, performance, and longevity
- What you need to know now about stem cells, exosomes, and the future of biohacking
With practices in both California and Nevada, and decades of recognition—including the Top Doctor Award and HealthTap’s 2022 Top Neurological Surgeon in the U.S.—Dr. Gross brings clinical credibility and visionary thinking to an urgent conversation in modern healthcare.
If you're seeking a fresh perspective on how to live longer, perform better, and radically heal from within, this conversation is a must-listen.
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Transcript
Welcome,
Speaker:welcome to this episode of Beyond
Speaker:the Pills,
Speaker:where ancient wisdom meets
Speaker:modern science to redefine
Speaker:what true healing looks like.
Speaker:I'm Josh Rimini, pharmacist turned healer,
Speaker:and today I am super honored.
Speaker:We have an awesome guest for us, Dr.
Speaker:Dr. Jeff Gross,
Speaker:who's a board-certified
Speaker:neurological surgeon.
Speaker:He graduated from UC
Speaker:Berkeley with a degree in
Speaker:biochemistry and molecular
Speaker:cell biology and earned his
Speaker:MD from George Washington University.
Speaker:Today's episode is super awesome.
Speaker:I'm excited for this.
Speaker:He went on to train in
Speaker:neurological surgery and
Speaker:spinal biomechanics.
Speaker:He now leads innovative practices
Speaker:in Orange County and Nevada,
Speaker:specializing in spine surgery,
Speaker:athletic injury,
Speaker:advanced longevity protocols.
Speaker:As the founder of ReCelebrate,
Speaker:Dr. Gross is pioneering a
Speaker:new model of healing that
Speaker:offers cutting-edge
Speaker:treatments like NK
Speaker:cell-derived exosomes as a
Speaker:breakthrough in non-toxic
Speaker:cancer therapies and
Speaker:age-related disease prevention.
Speaker:If you have ever wondered
Speaker:what's next in this evolution of medicine,
Speaker:I believe this episode is
Speaker:gonna be transformational for people.
Speaker:So welcome to the show, Dr. Jeff Gross.
Speaker:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker:Great to see you.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:let's dive in because when we had our
Speaker:pre-recording conversation, I was just,
Speaker:yes, yes, yes.
Speaker:Because we've started to un...
Speaker:reveal these new therapies
Speaker:of healing with exosomes
Speaker:and stem cells and moving
Speaker:in this direction.
Speaker:And then when we connected,
Speaker:we really started diving in
Speaker:onto what you've been doing
Speaker:with the cancer therapy.
Speaker:So I'm really excited for this episode.
Speaker:So thanks, first and foremost,
Speaker:for just coming on and
Speaker:sharing your mission here.
Speaker:But you had a pretty amazing
Speaker:and impressive medical journey.
Speaker:So
Speaker:Let's start there.
Speaker:Like what first drew you
Speaker:into like the neurosurgical
Speaker:stuff and then anti-aging
Speaker:biohacking and cancer therapies.
Speaker:Well, I mean,
Speaker:I had always wanted to be a
Speaker:physician since I was young,
Speaker:since I was a child.
Speaker:I always took all the extra
Speaker:science classes in school,
Speaker:all the AP classes.
Speaker:In fact, you know,
Speaker:to really demonstrate my total nerdiness,
Speaker:I used to take English in the summer,
Speaker:get it out of the way so I
Speaker:could make room for another
Speaker:AP science class.
Speaker:Like that's how crazy I was
Speaker:in high school.
Speaker:And I was reading, you know,
Speaker:all kinds of medical journals.
Speaker:And at that time,
Speaker:I actually did medical
Speaker:research at the National
Speaker:Institute of Health during
Speaker:one of the summers in high school.
Speaker:And I was all in, all, you know, two feet,
Speaker:two hands, two everything.
Speaker:I was just in.
Speaker:So, you know,
Speaker:college was all about
Speaker:molecular biology and biochemistry.
Speaker:And, you know,
Speaker:all the things I can learn
Speaker:to that I know I would use.
Speaker:But really, you know,
Speaker:where I went to school,
Speaker:there was no premed degree.
Speaker:You had that like get
Speaker:something a real degree.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You go to medical school.
Speaker:So I got the real degree and enjoyed that.
Speaker:And that that comes full circle later.
Speaker:And medical school was a stepping stone.
Speaker:I knew I was going to go
Speaker:into neurosurgery.
Speaker:I knew it was going to be a
Speaker:surgeon because when you're
Speaker:in medical school, you know,
Speaker:there are two kinds of doctors,
Speaker:those that do and those that think.
Speaker:about doing.
Speaker:The thinkers become
Speaker:internists or specialists
Speaker:in organ systems.
Speaker:The doers become surgeons.
Speaker:They want to actually do something,
Speaker:get their hands in there.
Speaker:In fact,
Speaker:the word surgery comes from the
Speaker:Greek to make with your hand, right?
Speaker:So
Speaker:I knew neuroscience was of interest to me.
Speaker:I had some mentors in that field.
Speaker:So I was headed to neurosurgery.
Speaker:Medical school was just
Speaker:something you had to get
Speaker:through to get there.
Speaker:And my residency,
Speaker:I really was interested in the brain,
Speaker:did a lot of brain research,
Speaker:published articles in
Speaker:research involving lasers
Speaker:in the brain and how to use
Speaker:lasers to detect tumors and stuff.
Speaker:In fact, our article on
Speaker:measurements intraoperatively in surgery,
Speaker:measuring the absorption
Speaker:characteristics of brain
Speaker:tissue and things is being
Speaker:quoted like over a five
Speaker:hundred times or cited over
Speaker:five hundred times because
Speaker:it's where I think we were
Speaker:the first ones to measure
Speaker:that in live brains and the human brain.
Speaker:So we've got some I've got
Speaker:some cool background
Speaker:because I am a full time nerd.
Speaker:So from there, you know,
Speaker:I went into practice.
Speaker:I added the spine fellowship
Speaker:at my very end of my
Speaker:residency because I really
Speaker:got interested in the spine
Speaker:and the physics and
Speaker:mechanics of the spine.
Speaker:And the vast majority of my
Speaker:practice was for many years
Speaker:and still a little bit was
Speaker:taking care of spine problems,
Speaker:neck and back issues, disc issues,
Speaker:nerve issues.
Speaker:It was because of my patients
Speaker:who noticed that they didn't
Speaker:respond to most of the
Speaker:conservative treatments,
Speaker:like therapies and
Speaker:injections and medications, I think,
Speaker:for the spine,
Speaker:they would come talk to me and would say,
Speaker:well,
Speaker:I guess the only thing left to talk
Speaker:about is surgery.
Speaker:And they'd say, well, wait a minute,
Speaker:I'm not that bad.
Speaker:I say, great,
Speaker:because I didn't want to
Speaker:offer it to you unless you
Speaker:had to have it.
Speaker:So they would say,
Speaker:but there's this big gap
Speaker:between all these things
Speaker:that didn't work and surgery.
Speaker:And I'd say, you're right.
Speaker:And they'd say, well,
Speaker:what about stem cells?
Speaker:What about this?
Speaker:What about that?
Speaker:And I heard stem cells enough times
Speaker:And I did have the
Speaker:background in molecular
Speaker:biology that I said, you know,
Speaker:let me go back and look at that.
Speaker:Let me open my mind.
Speaker:And I went back into it.
Speaker:I started going to research
Speaker:meetings and educational
Speaker:conferences and retraining and learning.
Speaker:what had happened in the
Speaker:thirty years or thirty-five
Speaker:years since undergraduate
Speaker:school when I did study these things.
Speaker:And a lot had happened,
Speaker:most of it not here in the U.S., Josh.
Speaker:It was in Europe and in Asia.
Speaker:And we were just late to the party.
Speaker:So I said, oh,
Speaker:let me start to offer this
Speaker:as an option to my patients,
Speaker:because one of the best
Speaker:jobs a physician can have
Speaker:is making sure we provide
Speaker:all the discussed options
Speaker:in a list of things.
Speaker:Let me add that.
Speaker:But it's blossomed into so much more.
Speaker:So that's why I call myself
Speaker:a recovering neurosurgeon,
Speaker:because I'm really doing
Speaker:more regenerative medicine
Speaker:and cutting edge alternative
Speaker:natural healing than I am
Speaker:surgery these days.
Speaker:And I love it.
Speaker:And I,
Speaker:I hope this just continues and blossoms.
Speaker:I love these stories, these stories of,
Speaker:of healthcare practitioners
Speaker:or surgeons or doctors and
Speaker:pharmacists where they've,
Speaker:they've got all this
Speaker:experience over here.
Speaker:And then a couple of things happened.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden,
Speaker:like their eyes were wide, wide open.
Speaker:I,
Speaker:I love the fact that you
Speaker:were a dedicated surgeon
Speaker:working on spines,
Speaker:working on neurosurgeries, like, and,
Speaker:and still was listening to
Speaker:your patients coming up
Speaker:with non-surgical
Speaker:opportunities and really, you know,
Speaker:and nurturing that, that,
Speaker:that knowledge that you wanted to bring,
Speaker:because a lot of the times
Speaker:I think people's
Speaker:perceptions of surgeons is
Speaker:you go to a surgeon you get
Speaker:a consult and what's he
Speaker:going to say you need
Speaker:surgery right that's kind
Speaker:of like the mindset for
Speaker:people and so hearing a
Speaker:surgeon go towards the
Speaker:other not the other side
Speaker:but opening up the
Speaker:possibilities and and just
Speaker:really understanding where
Speaker:you came from as a
Speaker:physician to open up those
Speaker:possibilities and then that
Speaker:door opened and then you
Speaker:had to explore these things
Speaker:because when we had our
Speaker:conversation prior like
Speaker:you know, ten years ago,
Speaker:stem cells was a very
Speaker:archaic thing around here, you know,
Speaker:and my wife's journey through her.
Speaker:The reason I've gotten into
Speaker:this is because, you know,
Speaker:PRP and stem cells and my
Speaker:wife's torn labrum in her
Speaker:hips and then going through
Speaker:two hip surgeries was like
Speaker:my first awakening to that.
Speaker:But back in the day, it was pretty
Speaker:pretty medieval compared to
Speaker:where we are today, right?
Speaker:Like getting it,
Speaker:exhausting it and moving it.
Speaker:I love that defining moment.
Speaker:It really was like a defining.
Speaker:regenerative paths like exosomes.
Speaker:So amazing for you to just
Speaker:be there and smile and being like,
Speaker:I'm a recovering surgeon
Speaker:because like I'm a recovering pharmacist.
Speaker:Like the reason we're here is so we can
Speaker:we can move the needle
Speaker:towards these awesome healing modalities,
Speaker:and they truly are.
Speaker:So let's dive into that,
Speaker:like the science of the
Speaker:exosomes and what's going on here,
Speaker:because for the audience
Speaker:that may be new to this,
Speaker:just can you give them an overall
Speaker:uh what's over with with
Speaker:exosomes stem cells
Speaker:regenerative therapies just
Speaker:like a world view of that
Speaker:because it is still pretty
Speaker:new even though we're
Speaker:getting this accessibility
Speaker:and we'll talk about your
Speaker:clinic but right tell
Speaker:people a little bit about
Speaker:what's going on right now
Speaker:because well it's not it
Speaker:this isn't new we've been
Speaker:we've been utilizing our
Speaker:stem cells unbeknownst to us forever um
Speaker:And just the basic stem cell
Speaker:one-on-one here is, you know,
Speaker:a stem cell is a cell from
Speaker:which other cells are derived.
Speaker:It's sort of a parent cell.
Speaker:You think about you're a
Speaker:fertilized egg inside your mother's womb,
Speaker:you're a stem cell.
Speaker:You can form a whole human.
Speaker:and then those cells divide
Speaker:those are called omnipotent
Speaker:stem cells because they can
Speaker:make a person they divide
Speaker:and start to form parts of
Speaker:the body and limbs and
Speaker:those are pluripotent they
Speaker:can do a lot they could
Speaker:form a limb but not a whole
Speaker:human so they they become
Speaker:more specialized
Speaker:And they grow and develop.
Speaker:And finally,
Speaker:the fetus is ready to come out.
Speaker:And it's born with what we
Speaker:call multipotent stem cells.
Speaker:And those are stem cells
Speaker:that can be utilized when
Speaker:called upon to help us grow
Speaker:and develop as a child into an adult.
Speaker:Help repair wounds.
Speaker:You cut yourself.
Speaker:There's a whole process there.
Speaker:Help replace tissue.
Speaker:And we do that all the time, right?
Speaker:You're making new liver cells.
Speaker:You're making new skin cells.
Speaker:You're growing nail,
Speaker:which is a protein product
Speaker:from cells in the nail bed.
Speaker:Like we're using our stem
Speaker:cells all the time.
Speaker:They're throughout our body
Speaker:in different tissues,
Speaker:mostly in the bone marrow.
Speaker:That's our most important part.
Speaker:source of them.
Speaker:And you've probably heard
Speaker:them over the last few decades,
Speaker:because there's an approved
Speaker:treatment for childhood leukemia,
Speaker:whereby you give them chemotherapy,
Speaker:you remove their entire bone marrow,
Speaker:and you replace called a
Speaker:bone marrow transplant,
Speaker:a matched donor of
Speaker:of bone marrow,
Speaker:which is mainly stem cells.
Speaker:So that is why mothers have
Speaker:been saving their umbilical cords,
Speaker:banking them and things
Speaker:like that for a long time.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:it turns out there are way more uses
Speaker:of stem cells than that.
Speaker:Now, turns out that stem cells
Speaker:make signaling factors that
Speaker:transmit outside the cell
Speaker:to other cells in our body.
Speaker:We take them in through a
Speaker:process of endocytosis,
Speaker:if you remember that from
Speaker:high school biology.
Speaker:So the cells make a little bubble
Speaker:And that's exocytosis,
Speaker:and they deliver a small
Speaker:bubble with a little bit of a membrane,
Speaker:like a cell,
Speaker:but many fewer receptors and
Speaker:proteins and markers.
Speaker:And inside of it are
Speaker:communicating peptides and
Speaker:proteins like growth
Speaker:factors and small RNAs that
Speaker:are taken in by another cell,
Speaker:and that cell is influenced.
Speaker:So how do cells communicate
Speaker:with each other?
Speaker:This is one of the main mechanisms.
Speaker:So one cell can give all
Speaker:thousands of these things a day.
Speaker:They're called extracellular vesicles.
Speaker:For the short, they're called exosomes.
Speaker:And you used that word
Speaker:earlier because it's the
Speaker:topic of regenerative medicine.
Speaker:Exosomes are doing the work.
Speaker:They're delivering the
Speaker:signal to cause your cells
Speaker:to do the right thing that
Speaker:they may have forgotten how
Speaker:to do or have been bogged
Speaker:down by fighting
Speaker:inflammation and need a
Speaker:little encouragement to do
Speaker:it a better way.
Speaker:That's the whole basis of
Speaker:regenerative medicine,
Speaker:tapping back into that
Speaker:pristine biological signal
Speaker:from a stem cell and
Speaker:communicating that with our
Speaker:cells so our cells act in a
Speaker:more restorative, youthful,
Speaker:regenerative way.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:the way I've always understood it or
Speaker:the way I kind of just to
Speaker:try to explain to it now is like,
Speaker:these are the key
Speaker:communication tools to tell
Speaker:the body what to do.
Speaker:Because on these episodes, this podcast,
Speaker:we're really
Speaker:teaching the body how to heal itself.
Speaker:The body knows what to do,
Speaker:but it doesn't always know
Speaker:exactly when and how to do it.
Speaker:Like these exosomes,
Speaker:these extracellular molecules,
Speaker:these things, they're signals.
Speaker:They're just signals in that
Speaker:move it down the pathway for healing.
Speaker:And that's why I think this
Speaker:is so important.
Speaker:so much of a game changer
Speaker:compared to let's call our
Speaker:traditional medicine model
Speaker:where we're tinkering and
Speaker:fixing and trying to help and influence.
Speaker:And you mentioned childhood leukemia.
Speaker:That is the cancer I had
Speaker:when I was sixteen and got through,
Speaker:was the chemotherapy, the radiation,
Speaker:the spinal taps, the chemo to the brain.
Speaker:I did the three and a half year
Speaker:you know let's call it
Speaker:medieval therapy kill
Speaker:everything hope you live
Speaker:and move forward like you
Speaker:blast everything out and so
Speaker:these new therapies and I
Speaker:wasn't a match at the time
Speaker:for these stem cell you
Speaker:know these bone marrow
Speaker:transplants but I love that
Speaker:you brought that full circle because
Speaker:it was, it was the,
Speaker:it was a treatment option for,
Speaker:for failure of chemotherapy was,
Speaker:can we do a bone marrow transplant?
Speaker:So that in itself is a stem cell, right?
Speaker:It's a stem cell transplant, right?
Speaker:So we're working through that.
Speaker:We'd known this for twenty, thirty,
Speaker:forty years,
Speaker:but now we're moving it into
Speaker:this new paradigm, right?
Speaker:So I'm just curious, though, like,
Speaker:you know, you're, you're,
Speaker:you're fixing, you're tinkering,
Speaker:you're doing surgeries,
Speaker:you're employing these stem
Speaker:cell therapies.
Speaker:And I assume the reason you
Speaker:keep doing them was you
Speaker:were getting really good
Speaker:results and outcomes, right?
Speaker:Or was it the journey, right?
Speaker:You say you're a recovering surgeon,
Speaker:but like that was your whole life.
Speaker:And now we're moving into this new space.
Speaker:What's the aha here?
Speaker:Why this now?
Speaker:I was never an aggressive surgeon, right?
Speaker:You had to be really at your
Speaker:wit's end for me to offer you surgery.
Speaker:They tell you in residency,
Speaker:you learn how to do the surgery.
Speaker:You learn how to operate.
Speaker:In practice, you learn how not to.
Speaker:And no one better than a
Speaker:surgeon to help people
Speaker:learn how to stay away from surgery.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:it's pretty barbaric what we
Speaker:sometimes do as surgeons.
Speaker:And now it's necessary in many cases,
Speaker:but what we're doing as
Speaker:surgeons has not changed in about
Speaker:sixty some years.
Speaker:So at least in the spine field, yeah,
Speaker:we can do it through a
Speaker:smaller incision or have a
Speaker:different widget or a microscope,
Speaker:but it's the same thing.
Speaker:So I was looking for
Speaker:something new and
Speaker:restorative because I I
Speaker:never liked the destruction
Speaker:that was required in order to do surgery.
Speaker:Now, don't get me wrong.
Speaker:There's always a role
Speaker:somewhere for surgery.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:there's some nerve that pinched
Speaker:by a large herniated disc
Speaker:that right now I don't have
Speaker:a solution for with
Speaker:regenerative medicine.
Speaker:So, um, there are,
Speaker:I saw someone the other day
Speaker:who's got stenosis in the
Speaker:cervical spine that I
Speaker:cannot offer him an option
Speaker:with regenerative medicine.
Speaker:I'm looking for, you know,
Speaker:inflammatory pain and
Speaker:degeneration of the spine
Speaker:causing these issues where
Speaker:I can provide an option,
Speaker:and we are seeing some good results.
Speaker:I'm not allowed, as you know,
Speaker:to make any marketing
Speaker:claims that we're treating
Speaker:or curing a disease or
Speaker:condition because the FDA,
Speaker:that's their language,
Speaker:and I wanna be compliant
Speaker:with that language.
Speaker:But Aspergen has never
Speaker:guaranteed the outcome,
Speaker:so it's nothing new or different here.
Speaker:And I think that's important
Speaker:because we're not
Speaker:downplaying what's existing
Speaker:and what's been there.
Speaker:But like I said,
Speaker:when we're doing our
Speaker:hormone restoration in the lab,
Speaker:there's some new
Speaker:information and new
Speaker:technologies and new treatments
Speaker:but we're not making claims, right?
Speaker:The FDA does not want us to
Speaker:make claims and for good reason,
Speaker:but we are impacting lives
Speaker:in a very positive light.
Speaker:Give us a few examples of,
Speaker:some histories of patients.
Speaker:Obviously we're not gonna
Speaker:say names and stuff,
Speaker:but tell us a little bit
Speaker:about what's possible right now.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:so I'm allowed to discuss actual
Speaker:observations and cases.
Speaker:So the low hanging fruit in
Speaker:regenerative medicine and
Speaker:the thing we've had the
Speaker:longest experience with
Speaker:even if it's from other countries,
Speaker:is help with joints,
Speaker:inflamed degenerating joints.
Speaker:So this is a process often
Speaker:referred to as osteoarthritis.
Speaker:Some people shorten that to arthritis,
Speaker:and that's just vague,
Speaker:but that's what they call it.
Speaker:Cartilage degeneration,
Speaker:and it can be bad enough to
Speaker:what are sometimes referred
Speaker:to as bone on bone.
Speaker:And what happens then?
Speaker:Orthopedic surgeon
Speaker:recommends a joint replacement.
Speaker:We're trying to avoid all that.
Speaker:We've been really good at
Speaker:doing that so far, but this, this is, uh,
Speaker:something where people come in with, oh,
Speaker:I had an old knee injury
Speaker:years ago in sports, maybe a knee scope.
Speaker:And, uh,
Speaker:my knee is really giving me trouble.
Speaker:It's stiff when I stand up
Speaker:after having been sitting,
Speaker:I have trouble going down the stairs.
Speaker:I can't play pickleball anymore.
Speaker:And then we do a very
Speaker:detailed evaluation for targeting.
Speaker:We do a high quality MRI.
Speaker:We look at the knee.
Speaker:An x-ray is not going to cut it.
Speaker:It's not enough information.
Speaker:Although an orthopedic
Speaker:surgeon might often operate,
Speaker:do a joint replacement
Speaker:based alone on an x-ray,
Speaker:we get a very high quality
Speaker:MRI with some additional information.
Speaker:sequences we order off the secret menu.
Speaker:So it's not just a regular old MRI.
Speaker:It's specialized.
Speaker:It doesn't cost more,
Speaker:but it's specialized.
Speaker:And then from that,
Speaker:we can target the actual
Speaker:metabolic changes in the
Speaker:cells that make cartilage.
Speaker:And what happens is the
Speaker:cells that make and
Speaker:maintain cartilage in the
Speaker:old growth plate just
Speaker:aren't working anymore.
Speaker:That's our target.
Speaker:And we can sometimes see
Speaker:that right on MRI.
Speaker:And we have examples where
Speaker:we've injected those areas with
Speaker:stem cell derived exosomes
Speaker:and have had significant
Speaker:improvement in function and reduced pain.
Speaker:And in some cases we do an MRI a year,
Speaker:a year and a half later,
Speaker:just to see what out of
Speaker:curiosity for those that want to do it.
Speaker:And we've actually shown
Speaker:some enhancement in the
Speaker:thickness of the cartilage in the knee.
Speaker:And knees are the low hanging fruit.
Speaker:Most of the research is in knees.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:It's just an often affected joint.
Speaker:But we've addressed ankles
Speaker:and hips and thumbs and
Speaker:shoulders and elbows and what have you.
Speaker:Uh, it's, and it's, I,
Speaker:the way I look at it is, you know,
Speaker:when somebody comes to me
Speaker:and they're like, I'm bone on bone, I, I,
Speaker:you know, in,
Speaker:from my pharmacological
Speaker:perspective of like,
Speaker:we've treated with all the pain stuff,
Speaker:we treated with the anti-inflammatories,
Speaker:we've even gone to pain
Speaker:creams and things that we
Speaker:specialize in the
Speaker:supplements and the lifestyle.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden
Speaker:it's people's mindset goes replace,
Speaker:get out, replace.
Speaker:And so I asked them, I say,
Speaker:have you heard of regenerative medicine?
Speaker:right like yeah and it's
Speaker:kind of like you know it's
Speaker:it five ten years ago it'd
Speaker:be like that's where the
Speaker:athletes went to europe to
Speaker:do their thing so they
Speaker:could play longer right
Speaker:that and now it's now it's
Speaker:moving in that direction so
Speaker:yeah I think the the
Speaker:low-hanging fruit is
Speaker:definitely you know the
Speaker:body the appendages if you will um
Speaker:and but how how is this
Speaker:evolving because I want to
Speaker:get into your new practice
Speaker:and re-celebrate and like
Speaker:let's talk a little bit
Speaker:about cancer therapies
Speaker:because this is what lit me
Speaker:up when we were talking
Speaker:because I had just done a
Speaker:episode on exosomes and how
Speaker:they can help and all this
Speaker:other stuff and then all of
Speaker:a sudden I was like
Speaker:Hold on a second.
Speaker:This is something new to me in a way,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:In this way.
Speaker:And so talk to people about
Speaker:how the back surgeon got
Speaker:into cancer treatment
Speaker:because it feels a little left fieldy,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:No, it's not.
Speaker:It's really not.
Speaker:Listen, I'm a practicing neurosurgeon.
Speaker:I've always treated brain
Speaker:tumors and spine cancer and
Speaker:things like that.
Speaker:Not a lot that I have.
Speaker:And when you're drawing from
Speaker:this molecular biology and
Speaker:you really want to help people,
Speaker:you really want to tap into
Speaker:the Hippocratic oath about
Speaker:relieving suffering.
Speaker:You can't not look at cancer
Speaker:as this horrific disease
Speaker:that is potentially fatal
Speaker:and needs to have
Speaker:aggressive and modern
Speaker:approaches and alternatives
Speaker:that are better than what we have,
Speaker:because there's a role for
Speaker:chemotherapy and maybe
Speaker:radiation and things like
Speaker:that and surgery even.
Speaker:But let's face it,
Speaker:chemotherapy is basically
Speaker:trying to poison the cancer
Speaker:faster than you poison yourself, right?
Speaker:So if we have alternatives
Speaker:that don't have that side effect,
Speaker:um that don't have all the
Speaker:other loss of hair nausea
Speaker:vomiting loss of muscle
Speaker:mass loss of weight all
Speaker:those things and we can get
Speaker:a result or we can augment
Speaker:the benefits of
Speaker:chemotherapy or or help the
Speaker:body recover in between
Speaker:bouts of chemotherapy we
Speaker:may be onto something here
Speaker:so I could not look at this and um
Speaker:So looking at exosomes more detailed,
Speaker:and I might wanna insert a question here,
Speaker:and that's why exosomes are
Speaker:not stem cells?
Speaker:And the reason is exosomes
Speaker:are doing the work.
Speaker:They penetrate tissue better
Speaker:than stem cells.
Speaker:They really are the business
Speaker:end of stem cells,
Speaker:and they're about a third of the cost.
Speaker:so it should be why why not
Speaker:exosomes right so in using
Speaker:generic stem cell derived
Speaker:exosomes this is basically
Speaker:the most powerful natural
Speaker:anti-inflammatory out there
Speaker:uh you know and you start
Speaker:to combine it with other plant-derived
Speaker:anti-inflammatories, curcumin and others,
Speaker:then you're really in our wheelhouse now.
Speaker:That's what we're doing.
Speaker:There are many ways we make
Speaker:sure people are optimized
Speaker:in their lifestyle, their hormones,
Speaker:everything for this.
Speaker:But you look at cancer and
Speaker:there are different ways
Speaker:our body helps fight cancer.
Speaker:Since we're tapping back into nature,
Speaker:let's go full circle here
Speaker:on the cancer side.
Speaker:So for those at home,
Speaker:there's a system of the
Speaker:immune system involving
Speaker:white blood cells.
Speaker:And white blood cells are
Speaker:triggered by the immune system.
Speaker:They fight infection, they fight cancer.
Speaker:And a very small percentage
Speaker:of our white blood cells
Speaker:are called MK cells or
Speaker:natural killer cells.
Speaker:And I know it sounds like
Speaker:the title for a horror movie or something,
Speaker:but really these cells,
Speaker:their sole job is to
Speaker:identify and selectively
Speaker:remove abnormal cells.
Speaker:So what are those abnormal cells?
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:they are either dysfunctional cells
Speaker:for some reason, like a genetic accident,
Speaker:and some of those cells
Speaker:could be what are called
Speaker:senescent cells they're
Speaker:basically old used up cells
Speaker:leaking a bunch of yucky
Speaker:you know you know peptides
Speaker:into our system taking up
Speaker:resources but not
Speaker:contributing they're not
Speaker:useful anymore but they
Speaker:haven't died and been
Speaker:recycled some people call
Speaker:those zombie cells and then
Speaker:some of these abnormal
Speaker:cells with genetic
Speaker:accidents become cancer
Speaker:cells right we make these all the time
Speaker:We make accidental genetic
Speaker:cancer cells in our body,
Speaker:but our NK cells remove them.
Speaker:They edit them out.
Speaker:They're like a surveillance system.
Speaker:It's only when the NK system
Speaker:functions decrease and the
Speaker:cancer evades those
Speaker:surveillance that an actual
Speaker:cancer problem occurs, a tumor,
Speaker:a cancer diagnosis, a disease.
Speaker:So we have, uh, you know,
Speaker:and I didn't come up with this.
Speaker:I just study like crazy.
Speaker:I read a lot of journals and I, I said,
Speaker:Hey, these,
Speaker:these natural killer cells are cool.
Speaker:How do they work?
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:it turns out they work by just like
Speaker:stem cells.
Speaker:They buy, they give off exosomes.
Speaker:Their exosomes have a couple
Speaker:of enzymes in them that go
Speaker:into a recipient cell
Speaker:selectively and cause that
Speaker:cell to rupture where we
Speaker:can recycle the parts.
Speaker:So we can remove senescent cells.
Speaker:Think about just removing senescent cells.
Speaker:You remove these aged yucky
Speaker:cells from your population
Speaker:of cells and therefore you
Speaker:end up with a younger
Speaker:population of cells.
Speaker:So an early study with
Speaker:natural killer cells was to
Speaker:give them to people and
Speaker:their age-related
Speaker:biomarkers went down in age.
Speaker:So I think it was
Speaker:beta-galactosidase enzyme
Speaker:they were looking, which is, I guess,
Speaker:common, if I'm quoting it right,
Speaker:in senescent cells.
Speaker:They were able to reduce the
Speaker:senescent cell population.
Speaker:When you do that,
Speaker:you have a healthier person.
Speaker:healthier people live longer.
Speaker:So you're basically fostering longevity.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:what if you could use this for cancer?
Speaker:So I'm not the first one to think of this.
Speaker:Other people have taken both NK cells,
Speaker:natural killer cells, and or NK exosomes,
Speaker:because really they're the
Speaker:business end of the NK cells,
Speaker:and use them to inject into tumors,
Speaker:into tumor cell cultures,
Speaker:into animal models, and now humans.
Speaker:So the beauty of these
Speaker:things is they travel well
Speaker:throughout the bloodstream.
Speaker:They also can be injected
Speaker:into actual tumor.
Speaker:And they are small enough to
Speaker:get around through the
Speaker:matrix in between the cells.
Speaker:And these are now strategies.
Speaker:that have been around in the world.
Speaker:And I've been trying to get
Speaker:these for a couple of years
Speaker:and probably about four, three,
Speaker:four months ago,
Speaker:we finally were able to get
Speaker:some of these NK cell exosomes.
Speaker:They're very difficult to, you know,
Speaker:think about it,
Speaker:it's only a small
Speaker:percentage of the immune system.
Speaker:And then from there,
Speaker:you gotta collect the
Speaker:exosomes and concentrate them.
Speaker:So it's difficult.
Speaker:So we get them from Europe.
Speaker:They're available in China and Europe.
Speaker:um do you have to know where
Speaker:to find them and so we now
Speaker:have some here in the us I
Speaker:don't know if uh other
Speaker:people have the nkx systems
Speaker:or not I think you
Speaker:mentioned someone off off
Speaker:the recording that may and
Speaker:um it's it's one of those
Speaker:the kids like to use in the
Speaker:text if you know you know
Speaker:so if you know you know so
Speaker:we have nkx systems we are
Speaker:giving them to different
Speaker:people in different
Speaker:situations both iv both injectable um
Speaker:And I know if I told you
Speaker:we're building a
Speaker:state-of-the-art injection
Speaker:center in our practice
Speaker:where we will have three-D
Speaker:imaging and be able to inject,
Speaker:get these almost anywhere
Speaker:where they need to get in the body.
Speaker:So we are working on that right now.
Speaker:But we have them as a
Speaker:strategy to either help
Speaker:suppress the concept of
Speaker:circulating cancer.
Speaker:Let's say you're at high risk,
Speaker:you have a family history.
Speaker:Or you're in remission,
Speaker:you've been treated,
Speaker:you want to stay in remission,
Speaker:maybe it's something you do
Speaker:strategically.
Speaker:Maybe you do it in between
Speaker:cycles of chemotherapy to
Speaker:help support things.
Speaker:Maybe you do it in addition
Speaker:to because maybe you don't
Speaker:want to get metastases and
Speaker:you know there are probably
Speaker:some circulating cells
Speaker:around your body that you want to remove.
Speaker:That's what we're looking at
Speaker:doing strategically.
Speaker:I love that.
Speaker:It's important to understand
Speaker:part of this is like,
Speaker:we're already doing what
Speaker:the body's naturally doing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:We're mimicking the it's mimicry.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But we're,
Speaker:we're putting it into almost
Speaker:like the way I see it is like we're,
Speaker:we're moving it the pathway
Speaker:because the balance is off, right?
Speaker:This is the premise of
Speaker:functional regenerative
Speaker:medicine is we're putting
Speaker:in the good signals or
Speaker:taking out the bad ones.
Speaker:And it makes sense.
Speaker:I love that this is the
Speaker:business end of the natural,
Speaker:like you took stem cell and
Speaker:then natural killer,
Speaker:and then you went down to
Speaker:what are they actually
Speaker:doing and what are they,
Speaker:and getting it down to this exosome.
Speaker:So we're at the very cutting
Speaker:edge of moving this forward.
Speaker:Is there any particular,
Speaker:know this is my curiosity
Speaker:coming from a cancer
Speaker:perspective and things like
Speaker:that are you seeing I don't
Speaker:want to play claims but I
Speaker:wanted like are you seeing
Speaker:that the application fits
Speaker:certain certain types of
Speaker:cancers better than others
Speaker:or is it just a nap because
Speaker:it's iv because they
Speaker:naturally know where to
Speaker:grow right you just talked
Speaker:about it's like these
Speaker:They search and destroy the bad guys,
Speaker:but they don't go looking
Speaker:for what's already working.
Speaker:They already naturally have that ability,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:This is the beauty of the body,
Speaker:of the nature.
Speaker:And so I'm just curious on that respect.
Speaker:Or do you just see it?
Speaker:Yeah, they're selective.
Speaker:But the studies are broadly
Speaker:across many different types
Speaker:of cancer types.
Speaker:It's not been tested on all cancer types.
Speaker:But the vast majority of cancer types are,
Speaker:you put them in cell
Speaker:culture and you throw some
Speaker:NK cells in there,
Speaker:the NK cells will go get them.
Speaker:So we're taking advantage of
Speaker:that knowledge and we're
Speaker:just applying it almost compassionately,
Speaker:even though we don't have
Speaker:full studies on everything yet,
Speaker:we wanna help give people
Speaker:every chance they have of a remission,
Speaker:a cure, a life.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:and I think that's also super noble
Speaker:and super powerful because
Speaker:I've always said to encourage, empower,
Speaker:and enhance somebody's
Speaker:well-being through education,
Speaker:through awareness,
Speaker:and have people make their own informed,
Speaker:confident decisions about
Speaker:their own health, right?
Speaker:This isn't dictating.
Speaker:You're not diagnosing and
Speaker:saying you need this.
Speaker:This is just opening their awareness up,
Speaker:telling them that these are
Speaker:viable options
Speaker:There's a beauty in essence
Speaker:to the Hippocratic oath
Speaker:here too of the do no harm, right?
Speaker:Of like actually doing
Speaker:things that are encouraging
Speaker:the body to get rid of the
Speaker:bad stuff without the
Speaker:unnecessary side effects or
Speaker:effects that these other treatments.
Speaker:So it's not, and I love how you're,
Speaker:we're framing this up as
Speaker:like enhancements, right?
Speaker:These are not things that you have to do.
Speaker:But they even people going
Speaker:through therapies and doing
Speaker:because we haven't we've
Speaker:been around the block a few
Speaker:times because most of these
Speaker:new novel drug pharma
Speaker:therapies are all targeting
Speaker:as some level of an immune response.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So why not?
Speaker:And.
Speaker:I just like hearing the ads
Speaker:drives me nuts on TV.
Speaker:It's like this, this, this, and you know,
Speaker:you could die and you could
Speaker:get the cancer that we're
Speaker:treating if we give you this.
Speaker:And, you know,
Speaker:I'm coming from this space
Speaker:of like that there's so
Speaker:many better ways now, you know,
Speaker:looking at PEMF mats and
Speaker:like putting someone in and
Speaker:helping the body do what
Speaker:it's supposed to do and
Speaker:what it wants to do is to me,
Speaker:just my personal opinion and experience.
Speaker:experience seems like a better, safer,
Speaker:more effective route.
Speaker:A hundred percent with you on that.
Speaker:All of the augmentative
Speaker:anti-inflammatory approaches, you know,
Speaker:we do,
Speaker:it's not just the NKX systems with
Speaker:a high dose vitamin C,
Speaker:maybe a course of
Speaker:ivermectin and fibendazole, you know,
Speaker:hot sauna exercise,
Speaker:all of these things are
Speaker:anti-cancer and we foster
Speaker:all of them as a, you know,
Speaker:based on the individual's
Speaker:abilities and what have you.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I think that's what I
Speaker:love about how you're,
Speaker:you're messaging all this
Speaker:is it's not like,
Speaker:I just think people are
Speaker:just so focused on like,
Speaker:not the pill for the ill,
Speaker:but like the new thing, like, oh,
Speaker:let me just do that thing.
Speaker:It's going to fix me.
Speaker:It's like, no,
Speaker:you got to get your stress under control.
Speaker:You've got to do the, you know,
Speaker:the things like saunas and
Speaker:all the things treat your
Speaker:body right put the right
Speaker:food in you you know like
Speaker:everything all matters and
Speaker:I think right there's not
Speaker:one way but there's a
Speaker:formula right and so I
Speaker:think this is just an added
Speaker:tool that's super important
Speaker:and super inspiring for me because
Speaker:I feel like we're moving out
Speaker:of the medieval stages of
Speaker:cancer treatment and
Speaker:targeting the right things
Speaker:and allowing the body to go
Speaker:and do this thing.
Speaker:We're just scratching the
Speaker:surface of the golden age.
Speaker:I'm really excited for that.
Speaker:Let's talk about
Speaker:re-celebrate in this new paradigm.
Speaker:Is this the new practice?
Speaker:Is this what you're bringing
Speaker:into the fold here?
Speaker:Tell everyone about re-celebrate.
Speaker:I have just fallen in love with
Speaker:this kind of thing um
Speaker:alternative functional
Speaker:integrative uh natural
Speaker:things you know I've gone
Speaker:back and opened my eyes to
Speaker:so many things that wasn't
Speaker:part of my medical
Speaker:education my medical school
Speaker:my residency my practice we
Speaker:didn't talk about these
Speaker:things yeah we had a one
Speaker:hour lecture maybe on
Speaker:vitamins and if you don't
Speaker:get enough vitamin d you'll
Speaker:get rickets well that might be the
Speaker:the definition of a deficiency,
Speaker:but what's the definition of optimization,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:The Kool-Aid,
Speaker:I stopped drinking the Kool-Aid,
Speaker:let's put it that way.
Speaker:Because medicine is really this healthcare,
Speaker:sorry, sick care driven,
Speaker:financially driven system, right?
Speaker:And if you're sick and
Speaker:you're starting to cost
Speaker:your insurance company money,
Speaker:they start to deny stuff,
Speaker:make it difficult for you,
Speaker:they want you to go away.
Speaker:So there's such conflict of interest
Speaker:with the payers that I
Speaker:needed to get away from that as well.
Speaker:It just wasn't serving my patients well.
Speaker:And it pits the patient
Speaker:against the doctor.
Speaker:The patients think it's the
Speaker:doctor's problem.
Speaker:The insurance is not approving things,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:or the doctor's fault.
Speaker:So we had to get out of that
Speaker:because we need to get back to basics.
Speaker:We're here to help people.
Speaker:Hippocrates set it forth.
Speaker:We need to do it just that way.
Speaker:Even if we are butting our
Speaker:heads up against
Speaker:regulations and things like that,
Speaker:we need to do that
Speaker:carefully and cautiously
Speaker:and always have informed consent.
Speaker:And re-celebrate was all
Speaker:about doing it right.
Speaker:looking at people, their lifestyle,
Speaker:their diet, their sleep, everything,
Speaker:and slowing their inflammation,
Speaker:slowing down the aging
Speaker:process of their cells and
Speaker:using regenerative medicine as a tool.
Speaker:And, you know,
Speaker:we started out with just the
Speaker:stem cell derived exosomes
Speaker:and joint health and spine health.
Speaker:And now we're doing, you know,
Speaker:we're looking at people
Speaker:with inflammatory problems and, you know,
Speaker:autoimmune and Lyme's disease,
Speaker:recovering from an injury, brain injury,
Speaker:heart attack, stroke.
Speaker:We even now have a nasal
Speaker:spray of exosomes that do
Speaker:penetrate into the brain
Speaker:readily that we're seeing
Speaker:benefits in the autistic population,
Speaker:better behavior, more attention.
Speaker:So there was an inflammatory
Speaker:component there.
Speaker:People with long COVID,
Speaker:we're seeing some benefits there.
Speaker:We have people with chronic
Speaker:bronchitis who were stuck on oxygen.
Speaker:We've done breathing
Speaker:treatments with exosomes
Speaker:and have them get off the oxygen,
Speaker:become oxygen independent again, back to,
Speaker:well, back to regular oxygen,
Speaker:the regular oxygen we all share,
Speaker:not a tank of oxygen and
Speaker:things like that.
Speaker:It's just, it's just rewarding.
Speaker:And I just enjoy the work better.
Speaker:Yeah, very much the synergy that I have,
Speaker:like, you know,
Speaker:I've been calling it a sick
Speaker:care model for so long,
Speaker:not because it's a derogatory statement,
Speaker:but it really is.
Speaker:It's a reactive model.
Speaker:We're keeping people less sick.
Speaker:We're not keeping them
Speaker:healthy and we're not
Speaker:proactively treating them
Speaker:to become healthy and well,
Speaker:and now transform and heal.
Speaker:Cause I really feel like that's,
Speaker:that's where we are in our
Speaker:medicine and where we're going.
Speaker:And so I love hanging out with, with,
Speaker:other health care,
Speaker:well care practitioners
Speaker:that are kind of like leading the charge,
Speaker:if you will,
Speaker:and moving people and just
Speaker:and not not waiting for the
Speaker:whole payer system to come.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It's like if we have to take
Speaker:charge of proactive care, well,
Speaker:we can't go into the
Speaker:reactive care model and
Speaker:expect it to get paid for.
Speaker:We're on the cusp of that,
Speaker:but we're not there yet.
Speaker:And so I really love the
Speaker:fact that we're we're
Speaker:the providers that are feel compelled,
Speaker:right.
Speaker:And, and want to help people truly like,
Speaker:and, and we're going outside the box.
Speaker:We're figuring these things out as we go.
Speaker:You know, it's the, to me,
Speaker:the pharmacy of the future
Speaker:is right inside of us.
Speaker:Like it's like the
Speaker:pharmacist of the future
Speaker:doesn't need to dispense the drugs.
Speaker:They just need to show the
Speaker:patient that they can do it themselves.
Speaker:And here's one example, you know,
Speaker:we've gone through other
Speaker:examples of the mind and
Speaker:I've got a study right here
Speaker:on magnesium and, and,
Speaker:there's a reason.
Speaker:Thirty percent of people get
Speaker:better off nothing.
Speaker:It's called the placebo.
Speaker:But let's nurture what the
Speaker:heck that means rather and
Speaker:actually help people do
Speaker:that themselves rather than, you know,
Speaker:just washing it out and
Speaker:have the pharma study say we did it.
Speaker:They didn't, you know,
Speaker:and it's like we've we
Speaker:forgot that thirty percent
Speaker:of people can actually do it themselves.
Speaker:And that's pretty cool to me.
Speaker:So that's where I like to
Speaker:play and what I like to do.
Speaker:So
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:what excites you the most about
Speaker:the future of longevity
Speaker:science and natural cancer treatments?
Speaker:What's next?
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:I think that I might have to take
Speaker:those two separately,
Speaker:but longevity is all about
Speaker:slowing inflammation in the
Speaker:area under the curve.
Speaker:Area under the curve means
Speaker:the earlier you start and
Speaker:the more you do towards this goal,
Speaker:the better result you'll get.
Speaker:So you talk about the super
Speaker:longevity people and the
Speaker:radical life extension people.
Speaker:You're gonna have to get involved in this
Speaker:as a teen and learn it.
Speaker:It's gonna be part of your
Speaker:health class in junior high
Speaker:school and you have to apply it.
Speaker:And the funny thing is it's
Speaker:no different than what your
Speaker:grandmother was taught, right?
Speaker:It's eat healthy, sleep right.
Speaker:you know the lifestyle
Speaker:medicine tools right
Speaker:they're the same I mean
Speaker:it's like it's there's
Speaker:nothing new here we just
Speaker:have ignored it for too
Speaker:long because we've been
Speaker:drinking this this sick
Speaker:care system kool-aid crap
Speaker:and um we just need to get
Speaker:back to that and then we
Speaker:can get back to an enhanced
Speaker:level and removing the crap
Speaker:from our food supply and improving
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:the meat and the vegetables and
Speaker:the fruits we have.
Speaker:And, you know,
Speaker:and I should put a slight
Speaker:plug in for this, you know, I know you're,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:food is medicine and plants are medicine.
Speaker:In the exosome field,
Speaker:we have been working very
Speaker:hard to source some
Speaker:concentrated plant-derived exosomes.
Speaker:So there are a bunch of
Speaker:fruits that are known to be
Speaker:more anti-aging than others.
Speaker:We've actually sourced some
Speaker:organic fruits and we have
Speaker:a lab in Italy that's
Speaker:extracting and
Speaker:concentrating the exosomes.
Speaker:This is laborious.
Speaker:This is not simple.
Speaker:We now are about to launch,
Speaker:probably later this month,
Speaker:Fingers crossed.
Speaker:A plant-derived exosome capsule.
Speaker:Because you can get exosomes in your food.
Speaker:You can get it from bone broth, colostrum.
Speaker:Even milk has some exosomes.
Speaker:You can get it from bone marrow.
Speaker:You can get it probably chicken soup.
Speaker:Why does your grandmother
Speaker:make you chicken soup when you're sick?
Speaker:Because it's probably got –
Speaker:she didn't know it,
Speaker:but it has exosomes in it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:So plant-derived,
Speaker:fruits and vegetables have exosomes.
Speaker:In any event,
Speaker:we're gonna be releasing a
Speaker:daily one capsule
Speaker:supplement that'll probably
Speaker:have the equivalent of
Speaker:about seventy times that
Speaker:volume of fruit you have to
Speaker:eat to get the exosomes.
Speaker:The phytonutrients and the
Speaker:mRNAs in these exosomes are amazing.
Speaker:Plus,
Speaker:plant exosomes are slightly different.
Speaker:They can actually survive
Speaker:the gastrointestinal tract.
Speaker:They have different fats and
Speaker:molecules in their bilipid
Speaker:membrane that makes them survive it.
Speaker:So there is incredible research on this.
Speaker:I just wrote an article for
Speaker:a magazine on it.
Speaker:and uh the health and
Speaker:wellness benefits the the
Speaker:reduced reactive oxygen
Speaker:species measured which
Speaker:means less oxidation less
Speaker:inflammation the enhanced
Speaker:sirtuin gene sirtuin one gene
Speaker:transcription, that is an anti-aging gene.
Speaker:You may know it's the one
Speaker:that resveratrol and grapes stimulates.
Speaker:You know why people say, oh,
Speaker:drink a little red wine
Speaker:because it's good for you.
Speaker:It's an anti-aging,
Speaker:gives you the resveratrol.
Speaker:It's the same gene activation there,
Speaker:the sirtuins.
Speaker:So that's coming soon.
Speaker:So keep your eyes open.
Speaker:Yeah, I think that's my Wi-Fi is moving.
Speaker:yeah because that's I love
Speaker:the phytonutrient and then
Speaker:bringing it down to the
Speaker:exosomes like it's it's
Speaker:just I feel like that's the
Speaker:pathway like super cool so
Speaker:how all right we'll do a
Speaker:bonus bonus before we leave
Speaker:you're known as the stem
Speaker:cell whisperer so tell me
Speaker:how the story behind that nickname
Speaker:Yeah, I had a patient.
Speaker:Actually, it was a patient,
Speaker:a sweet elder woman with
Speaker:osteoarthritis and aches
Speaker:and pains throughout her body.
Speaker:She couldn't do her crafts anymore.
Speaker:I think she was seventy nine
Speaker:when we first met.
Speaker:We did some IV stem cell
Speaker:derived exosomes and I explained to her,
Speaker:these will activate your cells,
Speaker:your stem cells.
Speaker:And we call it stem cell activation.
Speaker:And she said, well,
Speaker:you're just the stem cell whisperer,
Speaker:aren't you?
Speaker:And she did great.
Speaker:For two years,
Speaker:she had improvement in her
Speaker:aches and pains before she
Speaker:came back to ask for another one.
Speaker:I love that I love that so
Speaker:um is it it's
Speaker:reselebrate.com right that's
Speaker:how people can find you um
Speaker:you're on instagram you're
Speaker:on tick tock you're on
Speaker:youtube uh what's the
Speaker:handles that people can can
Speaker:look for you it's
Speaker:reselebrate everywhere you
Speaker:go r-e-c-e-l-l-e-b-r-a-t-e
Speaker:If you search that term,
Speaker:I think we're the only
Speaker:people using it with that spelling.
Speaker:So anywhere you find us,
Speaker:it's any social media platform or online,
Speaker:that's where we are.
Speaker:We have lots of resources on the website.
Speaker:And if you're interested in
Speaker:talking or you want more information,
Speaker:there's a little link
Speaker:put in your name and email
Speaker:address and we'll on the
Speaker:website we will get right
Speaker:back to you I love that
Speaker:reselebrate.com and all the
Speaker:different handles um what's
Speaker:the I always love these
Speaker:these last questions like
Speaker:thank you so much for
Speaker:coming on by the way this
Speaker:has been amazing thank you
Speaker:what's the one thing you
Speaker:want people to know out of
Speaker:this conversation
Speaker:There are alternatives to
Speaker:the surgery you may have been offered,
Speaker:the pill you may have been offered,
Speaker:the limited list you may
Speaker:have been offered.
Speaker:And if you are interested in
Speaker:regenerative medicine or
Speaker:just stem cells in general,
Speaker:you don't have to know all
Speaker:these words like exosomes,
Speaker:ask your doctor,
Speaker:is there a stem cell option?
Speaker:If you are shut down,
Speaker:It might be the wrong doctor.
Speaker:You need to meet a second opinion.
Speaker:It's okay to get a second opinion,
Speaker:even if you love your doctor.
Speaker:It's okay.
Speaker:What we learned so many
Speaker:years ago in medical school has changed.
Speaker:And, you know, unless you go seek it,
Speaker:it's not going to be given
Speaker:to you in a re-education.
Speaker:I love ending with that because, you know,
Speaker:if we want our patients,
Speaker:people to understand that
Speaker:the doctor's willing to
Speaker:learn and understand other things, right?
Speaker:We want them to know that
Speaker:it's not a one size fits all.
Speaker:And I think getting second
Speaker:and third opinions,
Speaker:if I hadn't got a second opinion,
Speaker:I would not have gotten my
Speaker:treatment diagnosis because
Speaker:I was misdiagnosed.
Speaker:So it's not that we're wrong or right.
Speaker:So I love that you brought
Speaker:that up as a nice package around this.
Speaker:Well, Dr. Jeff,
Speaker:I'm excited because I've
Speaker:got a whole rabbit hole to
Speaker:go down here now and figure
Speaker:out and move through
Speaker:because cancer treatments
Speaker:and therapies and helping
Speaker:this community is really
Speaker:dear and true to my heart.
Speaker:So thank you so much for all you're doing,
Speaker:pioneering this new pathway
Speaker:and the essence of bringing in
Speaker:all that ancient wisdom into
Speaker:this modern science,
Speaker:which is the essence of this podcast,
Speaker:which is the essence of how
Speaker:I think medicine should go
Speaker:and whiz going is we're not
Speaker:forgetting these simple
Speaker:things that you can do
Speaker:around your lifestyle.
Speaker:And we're incorporating the
Speaker:latest and greatest and
Speaker:less harming modalities
Speaker:that are actually doing
Speaker:true healing in the world.
Speaker:So thank you so much for all you're doing.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:I enjoy it and look forward
Speaker:to next time we talk,
Speaker:bringing you something new
Speaker:and even better.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:I can't wait.
Speaker:This is a wrap, guys.
Speaker:Until next time, stay well.
