#72: Healing Isn’t Fixing—It’s Returning to Yourself With Oliver James Jenkin
What if healing didn’t mean fixing yourself, but remembering who you already are?
On this episode of Beyond The Pills, Josh Rimany welcomes Oliver James Jenkin, a compassionate guide and subject-matter expert in helping people gently reconnect with their inner strength, creativity, and peace. Through his calming presence and holistic approach, Oliver offers a powerful alternative to the hustle and pressure often associated with healing and personal growth. He creates a safe, grounded space for people to rediscover their spark for life—even in seasons when it feels completely out of reach.
Oliver’s message is refreshingly clear: healing doesn’t require fixing yourself, striving harder, or chasing perfection. Instead, he invites listeners to take spirituality off the pedestal and step fully into reality—where healing, joy, and meaning are found not in the extraordinary, but in the everyday. His work centers on offering practical tools and spiritual insight to help people find balance in chaos, hold themselves with compassion, and move through life with renewed freedom and ease.
With a gift for making the profound feel accessible, Oliver blends his own lived experiences as a business owner, father, and spiritual teacher to model a grounded path toward well-being. This episode explores how to reclaim peace without pressure, spirituality without striving, and wholeness without needing to be “fixed.”
Learn more about Oliver’s work at www.oliverjamesjenkin.com, and tune in to discover how small moments—one breath, one smile, one step at a time—can shift everything.
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Transcript
hello hello welcome everyone
Speaker:to this episode of beyond
Speaker:the pills I'm josh rimini
Speaker:pharmacist turned healer
Speaker:and today we have a special
Speaker:guest uh oliver james
Speaker:jenkin uh oliver offers a
Speaker:safe space to gently
Speaker:reignite your lust for life
Speaker:even when it feels out of
Speaker:reach his approach isn't about fixing
Speaker:It's about helping you
Speaker:reconnect with the strength, creativity,
Speaker:and love already within.
Speaker:Through simple, calming guidance,
Speaker:Oliver helps you discover
Speaker:the skills to find peace in
Speaker:the midst of chaos,
Speaker:to hold yourself with the
Speaker:same compassion you offer others,
Speaker:and to imagine a life where you feel safe,
Speaker:inspired, and free to create.
Speaker:No matter how heavy life has been,
Speaker:Oliver believes healing is possible.
Speaker:We have a lot in common here.
Speaker:one step one breath one
Speaker:smile at a time welcome to
Speaker:the show oliver james thank
Speaker:you very much for having me
Speaker:george pleasure to be here
Speaker:oh I I we instantly
Speaker:connected when we talked a
Speaker:couple weeks ago and I'm
Speaker:really excited to have you
Speaker:on because I think what what you
Speaker:you do and your story is so,
Speaker:so relevant to the present day, right?
Speaker:Like just hearing your bio,
Speaker:like amidst the chaos and finding peace.
Speaker:And a lot of people are just
Speaker:struggling right now.
Speaker:So let's just dive in.
Speaker:Let's get into it.
Speaker:Tell people a little bit
Speaker:about who you are and
Speaker:what's been going on.
Speaker:Yeah, sure.
Speaker:So, you know,
Speaker:I live quite a busy lifestyle.
Speaker:I have a lot of creative
Speaker:strings to my bow.
Speaker:I live with my beautiful wife, Rebecca,
Speaker:and our six gorgeous children.
Speaker:Some of them are homeschooled,
Speaker:some of them aren't.
Speaker:So you can imagine that
Speaker:takes on a whole plethora of activities,
Speaker:commitments, timestamps within our week.
Speaker:And then obviously we run our business on
Speaker:together as well so we run
Speaker:an in-person practice here
Speaker:in Devon in the UK I
Speaker:obviously do stuff
Speaker:underneath my own brand and
Speaker:own name online mainly and
Speaker:we also do sound healing
Speaker:events up and down the
Speaker:southwest of England so
Speaker:It's not uncommon for us to
Speaker:find our own selves in amidst that chaos.
Speaker:And I think my path has been
Speaker:all about finding a place
Speaker:for myself and my
Speaker:expression and the
Speaker:difference that I want to
Speaker:make in the world in a
Speaker:really authentic way.
Speaker:So I guess the journey really started.
Speaker:I went to university when I
Speaker:was nineteen to study anthropology,
Speaker:always had
Speaker:very strong inclination to
Speaker:explore just the general
Speaker:question of what is it to
Speaker:be human what is it to be
Speaker:alive what is awareness all
Speaker:these sorts of things all
Speaker:these sorts of questions
Speaker:I'm still interested in now
Speaker:and very much guide people
Speaker:through but maybe in a very
Speaker:different vocabulary so I
Speaker:think like many of the
Speaker:people I work with you find
Speaker:a culturally available
Speaker:avenue for your naturally
Speaker:driven expression.
Speaker:Mine would have been, I guess,
Speaker:through academia.
Speaker:I looked very different to how I look now.
Speaker:I was really overweight at that time,
Speaker:particularly unhealthy.
Speaker:Moved to London,
Speaker:did maybe a term of university,
Speaker:and just realized that
Speaker:really wasn't for me.
Speaker:now that kind of came about
Speaker:through an intuitive
Speaker:feeling but also exploring
Speaker:different things different
Speaker:mechanisms about how world
Speaker:architecture really works
Speaker:whether it be big pharma in
Speaker:the instance of how that is
Speaker:orientated or the banking
Speaker:system or the political
Speaker:system and I guess it left
Speaker:me in quite a disempowered place by
Speaker:confusion really trying to
Speaker:find my place in the world
Speaker:by analyzing what was wrong
Speaker:and out of balance in the
Speaker:world and I think very much
Speaker:that reflected how I felt
Speaker:about myself at the time as well
Speaker:Then one night after I'd
Speaker:moved back and I was just
Speaker:working a job in a restaurant,
Speaker:which was great for me
Speaker:because it was a sort of
Speaker:standard day rinse and repeat.
Speaker:I could go swimming in the sea,
Speaker:I could work out and I was
Speaker:kind of building my robustness up again.
Speaker:I let go of a lot of my
Speaker:addictions at that time.
Speaker:I also became far more
Speaker:interested in natural
Speaker:medicine and what I was eating.
Speaker:And one night I was just
Speaker:slipping off to sleep and
Speaker:breathing quite rhythmically.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden,
Speaker:just this most amazing
Speaker:experience and sense of
Speaker:expansiveness in my body.
Speaker:I woke up the next morning
Speaker:realizing that must be what
Speaker:people say meditation must be.
Speaker:And that sort of began a
Speaker:journey of sending the
Speaker:pendulum back the other way, really,
Speaker:to discovering techniques
Speaker:and different modalities in
Speaker:which I could feel more self-empowered.
Speaker:And through that journey, slowly becoming,
Speaker:I guess,
Speaker:more influential and impactful
Speaker:within my local environment and,
Speaker:of course, my relationships.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:there's been all sorts of bereavements,
Speaker:separations,
Speaker:trials and tribulations in
Speaker:that period from my life,
Speaker:but really the constant has
Speaker:been this sense of
Speaker:returning to self and also
Speaker:really kind of,
Speaker:finding how do I communicate
Speaker:what's going on in here to
Speaker:other people and how do I
Speaker:connect with others to
Speaker:enrich my experience?
Speaker:I think that something I was
Speaker:always really aware of is
Speaker:the spirituality,
Speaker:science,
Speaker:all of these different niche
Speaker:disciplines can become
Speaker:quite nihilistic the more
Speaker:self driven they become.
Speaker:And I think the fruit of any philosophy,
Speaker:any practice is how easy
Speaker:and how adaptable is it to
Speaker:be able to share with the
Speaker:community of the people around you,
Speaker:which is so integral to how
Speaker:I live my life and obviously how
Speaker:me and my wife try to run our home too,
Speaker:because if there's any sort
Speaker:of litmus test for if
Speaker:something's worth its salt,
Speaker:it's your own children.
Speaker:They will completely tear
Speaker:apart anything that you
Speaker:think about yourself or the world.
Speaker:And I really embrace that process too.
Speaker:I think that
Speaker:I've always approached these
Speaker:things with a real heavy
Speaker:dose of skepticism,
Speaker:and that's something that I
Speaker:really try to imbue and
Speaker:champion in those I work
Speaker:with one-on-one and even
Speaker:through my content too,
Speaker:that your reality is very
Speaker:much to be understood through your senses,
Speaker:that your senses are a gift
Speaker:that can complement the
Speaker:logical parts of you,
Speaker:especially when it comes to
Speaker:health and especially spirituality too.
Speaker:Yeah, I love the connect the dots.
Speaker:When we have guests on the show here,
Speaker:I always see them as like
Speaker:the common threads, right?
Speaker:The things that we're doing,
Speaker:like the path to wholeness,
Speaker:finding myself, looking inward,
Speaker:asking those deeper questions.
Speaker:It's kind of like got you in
Speaker:that space of like
Speaker:fulfillment and moving that forward.
Speaker:Because like this summer,
Speaker:was really a big step in my evolution.
Speaker:Cause that was like, I named it like the,
Speaker:you know, the journey to self,
Speaker:like going across into Peru
Speaker:and doing the things I
Speaker:needed to do to get myself like in this,
Speaker:you know, from the,
Speaker:from within to without not the,
Speaker:without like not the outside to the end.
Speaker:And I love how you're, you know,
Speaker:your journey has brought
Speaker:you to this place of realization where
Speaker:You're where you like, you know,
Speaker:where we all sort of like
Speaker:we start to fit into what
Speaker:we're here to do and what
Speaker:we're here to put an impact
Speaker:on the world rather than just have a job.
Speaker:And I love how you say the
Speaker:simplicity of it, right?
Speaker:The simplicity of these
Speaker:things that we do is we
Speaker:learn these modalities,
Speaker:but you are compelled not
Speaker:to just learn them for yourself.
Speaker:Like there's there's this is
Speaker:part of who you are and
Speaker:what you do for others now.
Speaker:and exploring consciousness and,
Speaker:and getting people to, you know,
Speaker:love who they are inside and,
Speaker:and having this,
Speaker:this space of like helping
Speaker:them through that process in their lives,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:coaching and life coaching and
Speaker:moving people through,
Speaker:through meditation.
Speaker:I heard sound healing.
Speaker:I want to dive into these things because,
Speaker:um, and,
Speaker:and because this shows all about
Speaker:ancient wisdom meets modern science,
Speaker:right we know that people in
Speaker:the ancients have owned and
Speaker:and and meditation and and
Speaker:all of these concepts for
Speaker:years and years and we're
Speaker:catching up now where the
Speaker:science is irrefutable our
Speaker:I call it the west world
Speaker:brain but our intellect has
Speaker:yes really gotten to the
Speaker:place of you know this is
Speaker:this isn't just like what
Speaker:what what our western world
Speaker:would say like this isn't
Speaker:just woo anymore like this
Speaker:is the science of it
Speaker:there's neuroscience to
Speaker:this there's there's
Speaker:there's trauma healing that
Speaker:can happen when we adopt these practices.
Speaker:So tell us a little bit, you know,
Speaker:like this journey that
Speaker:you've gone through and
Speaker:then starting to develop,
Speaker:let's call it your skillset now is like,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:you're working with sound healing.
Speaker:Now, like you said, you're working with,
Speaker:you're coaching people one-on-one,
Speaker:you have an online presence,
Speaker:you have an in-person presence and,
Speaker:and you're like me, um,
Speaker:Your life is pretty busy.
Speaker:You got six children.
Speaker:That's like a basketball
Speaker:team plus a reserve.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That's a lot.
Speaker:And then you work with your
Speaker:wife like hand in hand,
Speaker:not just like family and relationships,
Speaker:but with your work.
Speaker:And that that's very can be
Speaker:very challenging.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:it certainly is challenging
Speaker:and I think sometimes I
Speaker:have to uh to pinch myself
Speaker:as I think we all do to
Speaker:sort of on one hand remind
Speaker:ourselves of the blessings
Speaker:that we have in the
Speaker:architecture of our life
Speaker:And also,
Speaker:employ a healthy dose of self
Speaker:compassion when you kind of
Speaker:browbeat yourself or you
Speaker:feel you're not doing as good as you can,
Speaker:because there is definitely
Speaker:a load there that has to
Speaker:come into consideration
Speaker:with how I manage my own self and being,
Speaker:you know, as an individual,
Speaker:but very much as a man in
Speaker:modern day culture within a
Speaker:relationship as a father,
Speaker:as a business owner,
Speaker:all these different things.
Speaker:I think
Speaker:The very thing that I use, teach,
Speaker:and I've always been
Speaker:curious about is this
Speaker:undeniable sense of self
Speaker:from which we can draw power.
Speaker:So for example,
Speaker:if you say to yourself
Speaker:simply in your head, hippopotamus,
Speaker:You know, there's two parts there, right?
Speaker:There's the part that says
Speaker:hippopotamus and there's
Speaker:the part that hears you
Speaker:saying hippopotamus.
Speaker:And this interplay between
Speaker:who is who and how through
Speaker:different practices we can
Speaker:take deeper and deeper and
Speaker:deeper dives into the part
Speaker:of us that listens has been
Speaker:something which has served
Speaker:me time and time and time again.
Speaker:And I think as my practice has evolved,
Speaker:as my sphere of
Speaker:responsibility has evolved as well,
Speaker:if I were to approach it in
Speaker:a very logical and linear way,
Speaker:there would be no way that
Speaker:I could organize all of the parts,
Speaker:all of the mechanics.
Speaker:So I've had to almost tap
Speaker:out and surrender at
Speaker:certain points to the idea of myself.
Speaker:And it's very fractally
Speaker:evolving in that sense
Speaker:because you're constantly
Speaker:getting to grow.
Speaker:The thing that I was always drawn to,
Speaker:science for when I was
Speaker:younger you know that sort
Speaker:of Jules Verne late
Speaker:eighteenth century early
Speaker:nineteenth century ethic of
Speaker:science was all about
Speaker:discovery and curiosity
Speaker:understanding and
Speaker:surrendering that there's
Speaker:always going to be
Speaker:known unknowns and unknown
Speaker:unknowns about yourself.
Speaker:So this is why practices of
Speaker:meditation have always
Speaker:served me very well and why
Speaker:I see them serve my clients
Speaker:so well is because you're
Speaker:getting back in touch with this kind of
Speaker:wanderlust-fueled part of
Speaker:your being that really
Speaker:embraces the unknown,
Speaker:the growing edge and the
Speaker:curiosity instead of kind
Speaker:of being afraid of it or
Speaker:compressed by that element
Speaker:of your nature.
Speaker:Josh,
Speaker:if I thought about all the different
Speaker:elements and coordinates of
Speaker:my life and if I was open
Speaker:to help and guidance and reminders,
Speaker:I wouldn't have much done
Speaker:and I wouldn't have much creative fun.
Speaker:That's definitely the thing
Speaker:that I've learned the most
Speaker:over the years.
Speaker:Yeah, I love that.
Speaker:It's funny how these
Speaker:conversations have
Speaker:synchronicities in life and stuff,
Speaker:because I'm in a big
Speaker:transition in my
Speaker:professional and personal career.
Speaker:We're really moving into
Speaker:these depths of going all
Speaker:in on wellness and
Speaker:functional health and moving the needle.
Speaker:And there's a lot of unknown.
Speaker:And I love embracing the unknown.
Speaker:I've learned this process
Speaker:through my own meditation
Speaker:practice and learning
Speaker:and teachings from, you know,
Speaker:you talked about surrender
Speaker:and embracing these unknowns.
Speaker:And I loved how you said, like,
Speaker:there's some known unknowns
Speaker:and then there's some unknown unknowns,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:and that's beautiful because- Yeah,
Speaker:those are the spiky ones.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:and we aren't in this linear world
Speaker:anymore.
Speaker:People know this, right?
Speaker:We are in this space of
Speaker:embracing like what, instead of change,
Speaker:it's evolution, it's expansion, right?
Speaker:We're expanding, ever expanding,
Speaker:just like our universe and
Speaker:our consciousness is, but our world,
Speaker:like just our world that
Speaker:we're living in in our present moment,
Speaker:our world.
Speaker:And I love, you touched a little bit on
Speaker:who's in there right who am
Speaker:I the observer or you know
Speaker:the subject or the object
Speaker:and michael singer talks a
Speaker:lot about that in his book
Speaker:you know the surrender
Speaker:experiment and that was one
Speaker:thing I did this summer was
Speaker:you know completely surrendering to
Speaker:the resonance of what I felt
Speaker:was in alignment with me.
Speaker:And I just kept saying yes
Speaker:to those and saying no to
Speaker:the things that weren't.
Speaker:And as I do that,
Speaker:I always see these
Speaker:breadcrumbs and
Speaker:synchronicities just start dropping.
Speaker:Like, hey, you're on the right path.
Speaker:You're on the right path.
Speaker:You're on the right path.
Speaker:And I think I want you to
Speaker:talk a little bit about
Speaker:that component of
Speaker:surrendering to the moment,
Speaker:surrendering to these things.
Speaker:Because I think people think
Speaker:almost sometimes that word surrender,
Speaker:if you said that to a veteran,
Speaker:they're going to be like, heck no,
Speaker:we are never going to surrender.
Speaker:They have to think about it
Speaker:in a different way.
Speaker:But let's talk a little bit
Speaker:about exploring this inner
Speaker:world and moving in the moment.
Speaker:Because I think
Speaker:we're all understanding that
Speaker:this world is changing very rapidly.
Speaker:We've got AI, we've got consciousness,
Speaker:we've got quantum.
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:physics and quantum health and
Speaker:things are moving in a very
Speaker:expansive way.
Speaker:And I think it can be a
Speaker:little bit daunting at times.
Speaker:And I think when you teach
Speaker:the people that you're
Speaker:teaching and coaching,
Speaker:you're really helping them, you know,
Speaker:when we call it surrender,
Speaker:it's like we're opening and
Speaker:unfolding into the moment that is.
Speaker:and talking to them about,
Speaker:I love where you say you
Speaker:help them find peace in the
Speaker:midst of the chaos, right?
Speaker:That's what I think we're
Speaker:really helping people with
Speaker:in this space of mental
Speaker:awareness and mental health
Speaker:and challenges.
Speaker:And I want to talk to people
Speaker:a little bit about some of
Speaker:your methods and what
Speaker:you're doing to help them
Speaker:through their process.
Speaker:Yeah, sure.
Speaker:I think it's the marriage of
Speaker:that quantum awareness with
Speaker:somatic experience.
Speaker:So there's all sorts of
Speaker:different ways you can trigger that.
Speaker:And in fact,
Speaker:that's primarily what me and
Speaker:my wife work with in different ways,
Speaker:but it's the same
Speaker:understanding and modality that's
Speaker:modality that we kind of
Speaker:develop called quantum
Speaker:somatic healing where
Speaker:somebody is getting a felt
Speaker:sense of their non-linear
Speaker:awareness and I suppose
Speaker:also really better put
Speaker:their non-linear influence
Speaker:so surrender is kind of
Speaker:misinterpreted sometimes as
Speaker:a massive process it's
Speaker:actually a very active
Speaker:process you gave the
Speaker:example of a veteran now
Speaker:there's all sorts of
Speaker:examples within combat and
Speaker:martial arts and
Speaker:military life of being in
Speaker:active flow states so one
Speaker:of the things that I do
Speaker:with people is to help them
Speaker:because quite often people
Speaker:coming from that west world
Speaker:brain where you're talking
Speaker:they have to make an enemy
Speaker:of what they've been and
Speaker:differentiate to become
Speaker:something else now I'm not
Speaker:criticizing that you see
Speaker:that process say through
Speaker:addiction recovery where
Speaker:somebody says I was an
Speaker:addict and now I don't want
Speaker:to be they have to create
Speaker:that contrast to make that bridge
Speaker:but much like addiction
Speaker:recovery we want to also
Speaker:encompass all of your being
Speaker:all of your experience so
Speaker:quite often people will
Speaker:come with a spiritual
Speaker:inclination or spiritual
Speaker:ambitions to have a more
Speaker:peaceful life or a more
Speaker:connected awareness they've
Speaker:had little easter eggs
Speaker:cookie crumbs like you
Speaker:mentioned throughout their
Speaker:life and they think they
Speaker:kind of have to completely
Speaker:reinvent the wheel
Speaker:But I don't think that you do.
Speaker:I think it's about really
Speaker:cross-pollinating the skill
Speaker:set that you've built up
Speaker:through your life.
Speaker:Invariably,
Speaker:we all look back at different
Speaker:points of our life and think, oh,
Speaker:I was off path there.
Speaker:We get a little bit older and we realize,
Speaker:oh, no, even when things were terrible,
Speaker:I was on path.
Speaker:I'll give you an example,
Speaker:which has struck me by surprise.
Speaker:I remember being thirteen in
Speaker:school with a book of short
Speaker:stories by Roald Dahl.
Speaker:And I was reading completely
Speaker:the wrong story that we
Speaker:were supposed to be reading.
Speaker:The story that I was reading
Speaker:was about this character
Speaker:called Henry Sugar,
Speaker:who was in this story a gambler,
Speaker:horrible man.
Speaker:He falls into this library
Speaker:at this country home.
Speaker:He finds this small pamphlet,
Speaker:which is all about an
Speaker:Indian doctor's account of
Speaker:a man who could see without
Speaker:using his eyes.
Speaker:He reads this book,
Speaker:gets all of the information,
Speaker:all of the practise and the meditation.
Speaker:His goal and his ambition is
Speaker:to learn to be able to do
Speaker:this trick and obviously read cards,
Speaker:make loads of money.
Speaker:He spends, I think,
Speaker:four or five years doing this technique.
Speaker:And I remember plain as day
Speaker:being thirteen years old,
Speaker:reading this line that he
Speaker:realized after his first
Speaker:win that the process of
Speaker:meditation that he'd gone
Speaker:through had completely
Speaker:changed his value set.
Speaker:And in the story,
Speaker:he then goes on to use this
Speaker:technique to set up a trust
Speaker:for orphanages and
Speaker:hospitals for children.
Speaker:I recently saw a film that
Speaker:was made of this story.
Speaker:And I remember clear as day
Speaker:being thirteen years old,
Speaker:reading that book,
Speaker:feeling my whole body
Speaker:expand as I was soaking in this story,
Speaker:looking around my classroom
Speaker:and thinking this,
Speaker:this is what I want to learn about.
Speaker:When I was watching the film,
Speaker:only last week this was,
Speaker:I could feel my whole body
Speaker:expand into that awareness.
Speaker:And it's like creating a
Speaker:quantum thread with that moment.
Speaker:I haven't grown through time.
Speaker:I am growing in time.
Speaker:And the way that I teach meditation,
Speaker:and especially,
Speaker:I think there's a bit of a...
Speaker:You know, in all the Abrahamic religions,
Speaker:there's a bit of a hangover
Speaker:in all of our collective
Speaker:unconsciousness about
Speaker:making feeling and desire sinful.
Speaker:Now, biologically,
Speaker:that doesn't work because
Speaker:these sort of reconnections
Speaker:through this quantum
Speaker:expansion actually enrich
Speaker:your immune system.
Speaker:They enrich your protein profile.
Speaker:They restore you hormonally.
Speaker:And it's all about not
Speaker:making war with yourself.
Speaker:You can imagine somebody
Speaker:who's not at war with their own feeling,
Speaker:not at war with their own desire,
Speaker:is a lot less likely to be
Speaker:at war with somebody else.
Speaker:So in terms of all of that
Speaker:being a personal process, great.
Speaker:I work one-on-one with people all day long,
Speaker:my content.
Speaker:My hope and my aim and also
Speaker:my desire for myself is
Speaker:that a lot of these
Speaker:processes that I see in myself,
Speaker:that I see in others,
Speaker:We're all fumbling in the
Speaker:dark a bit because there
Speaker:isn't a culture that we've
Speaker:been brought up in to hold
Speaker:us where we get to
Speaker:complement each other's psychology,
Speaker:each other's skill set in a
Speaker:way that builds a
Speaker:foundation that these beliefs,
Speaker:these understandings,
Speaker:these knowings about the world become
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:they just become unmovable
Speaker:because they're cultural,
Speaker:they're habitual.
Speaker:So I do feel for as lovely
Speaker:as everything I just said,
Speaker:and it's almost a very
Speaker:special time because change
Speaker:is so massive on the meta
Speaker:that it really requires us
Speaker:in our own micro universes
Speaker:to really be that change.
Speaker:That's the only way that
Speaker:it's going to work.
Speaker:If we want this culture,
Speaker:like you're doing with your
Speaker:work beyond the pills,
Speaker:we do actually have to create it.
Speaker:And also with coming full
Speaker:circle back to surrender culture,
Speaker:not being a passive process
Speaker:but actually being an
Speaker:active one where you're
Speaker:listening basically you're
Speaker:listening and you're
Speaker:responding and you're
Speaker:really freeing up I hate to
Speaker:sort of use the phrase
Speaker:clearing trauma because
Speaker:that's not how I quite look
Speaker:at it I suppose but in
Speaker:experiencing and
Speaker:re-experiencing places in
Speaker:your body and your emotions
Speaker:and your energy field that
Speaker:are kind of on lock because
Speaker:then maybe there wasn't the
Speaker:safety maybe it wasn't the right time by
Speaker:Reconnecting yourself to
Speaker:your own power source,
Speaker:you get to be able to have
Speaker:a system of physiology that
Speaker:is sensitive to the level
Speaker:of input that is going on.
Speaker:It's quite common for
Speaker:somebody to go for a massage.
Speaker:no shoulder pain,
Speaker:come out of the massage
Speaker:with shoulder pain.
Speaker:And they're like, oh, that didn't help.
Speaker:And it's like, well,
Speaker:you were probably mitigating,
Speaker:your nervous system was
Speaker:mitigating that pain for
Speaker:that long that you've
Speaker:actually just come in and
Speaker:cleared certain pathways
Speaker:for you to feel it and be aware of it.
Speaker:And it's very much the same
Speaker:with some of the work that I do.
Speaker:It is nonlinear.
Speaker:All of a sudden people see, you know,
Speaker:very much quantum leaps in their health.
Speaker:You know, the things that I've,
Speaker:You know, I've had people,
Speaker:one woman hadn't been for a wee, you know,
Speaker:like to pass water to
Speaker:urinate for twenty years
Speaker:and after a session she was
Speaker:just able to urinate and
Speaker:it's because it's not
Speaker:actually that miraculous.
Speaker:It's a bit like life,
Speaker:like life is really common
Speaker:when you look out of your window.
Speaker:It doesn't make it any less
Speaker:special and it's exactly
Speaker:the same when it comes to
Speaker:your body's capacity to
Speaker:heal because it's always
Speaker:Like mycelium,
Speaker:it's always trying to hyphenate.
Speaker:It's always trying to connect up the dots.
Speaker:And this is the same process
Speaker:as you see on a sort of
Speaker:neurological level,
Speaker:as we've also experienced through time.
Speaker:So me kind of catching back
Speaker:up with my thirteen year old self,
Speaker:the level of curiosity,
Speaker:the level of expansion,
Speaker:the level of knowing, oh, my God,
Speaker:this is like this is some
Speaker:sort of fire with inside me.
Speaker:This is how I work with people.
Speaker:Say, for example,
Speaker:somebody comes from a corporate scenario,
Speaker:then they want to do their
Speaker:own creative passion
Speaker:project to become self-employed.
Speaker:They often think that they
Speaker:have to sort of shelf all
Speaker:of the skill set that they've learned.
Speaker:And I'm like, well,
Speaker:you're able to meet deadlines.
Speaker:You're able to communicate
Speaker:with people in terms of different teams.
Speaker:You're able to talk to
Speaker:people from all different
Speaker:backgrounds and lifestyles.
Speaker:let's take all of that good
Speaker:stuff with us so it's it's
Speaker:all good it's all very very
Speaker:good stuff the same with
Speaker:people who've been in
Speaker:abusive relationships or
Speaker:even some of the most
Speaker:traumatic experience that
Speaker:you could possibly imagine
Speaker:you know I am consistently
Speaker:blown away you know one of my um
Speaker:sort of specialities,
Speaker:not by direct intention,
Speaker:but being guided there is
Speaker:working with people who
Speaker:have experienced like quite
Speaker:severe levels of sexual
Speaker:abuse of all different types.
Speaker:To see people who've gone
Speaker:through those experiences, love,
Speaker:even have the audacity and
Speaker:the bravery to love,
Speaker:and then go on to find
Speaker:healthy and successful relationships.
Speaker:It's just really testament
Speaker:to just how your body is
Speaker:always looking to orientate with the now,
Speaker:with the present moment.
Speaker:And I think by closing your eyes,
Speaker:going into yourself, meditation,
Speaker:heart-brain coherence,
Speaker:all these different things,
Speaker:they're all fantastic.
Speaker:But I think the most
Speaker:powerful element is the
Speaker:meta identity that starts to
Speaker:build is you incrementally
Speaker:show up for yourself and
Speaker:identify with that observer
Speaker:with that part that he is
Speaker:because if someone busts in
Speaker:the room now and shouts at
Speaker:me I'm not going to be
Speaker:afraid of that if I just
Speaker:thought I was my bones and
Speaker:it does have like a very
Speaker:profound impact on the way that we
Speaker:seek opportunity and manage
Speaker:risk within our daily lives.
Speaker:And I think that's an
Speaker:important part that's often
Speaker:forgotten when we approach
Speaker:spirituality and energetic
Speaker:health from a very kind of
Speaker:oh it's just a woo-woo kind
Speaker:of thing because something
Speaker:that really brought me into
Speaker:this world just like
Speaker:reading that as a
Speaker:thirteen-year-old kid is
Speaker:all of the anomalous stuff
Speaker:you hear like I remember
Speaker:when I was even younger
Speaker:watching a program on some
Speaker:late night documentary
Speaker:about remote viewing and I
Speaker:was like well the police
Speaker:are using remote viewers so
Speaker:it obviously works or
Speaker:In agriculture here,
Speaker:I don't know if it's the same in the US,
Speaker:there's a tradition of
Speaker:dowsing where somebody
Speaker:holds two metal rods,
Speaker:a bit like coat hangers,
Speaker:and they walk to see where to find water.
Speaker:Every farmer here in the UK still...
Speaker:before the local dowser to
Speaker:find the water because it's
Speaker:the easiest way, right?
Speaker:Before radar or all these
Speaker:different things.
Speaker:So I love anomalies.
Speaker:I absolutely love anomalies
Speaker:because they point to
Speaker:hidden places where your
Speaker:own perceptual field is bias, right?
Speaker:And I think it's great to
Speaker:have your biases challenged
Speaker:on a daily basis.
Speaker:Yeah, there's so much in there.
Speaker:I love to talk about that.
Speaker:No, it's good.
Speaker:It's good.
Speaker:Cause I've like, there's so much to like,
Speaker:I don't want to call it unpack,
Speaker:but like we there's, I love that.
Speaker:You said the stroke, first of all,
Speaker:the story about like
Speaker:remembering the story you
Speaker:read as a child at and
Speaker:going and having that moment,
Speaker:like that intertwined moment where
Speaker:You're like, I think it was like that just,
Speaker:it was a whiff then, right?
Speaker:It was like,
Speaker:I think this was something I want to do.
Speaker:And then what I call full circle, right?
Speaker:You've gone all the way through your life.
Speaker:You've developed this whole process.
Speaker:It actually happened.
Speaker:And then you happen stance,
Speaker:let's call it that.
Speaker:But like it was divine
Speaker:intervention in this movie
Speaker:just totally came into your
Speaker:awareness now.
Speaker:And then.
Speaker:It brings me to the point of
Speaker:divine timing versus what
Speaker:we perceive as timing, right?
Speaker:You talked about the quantum
Speaker:intertwining of that moment
Speaker:versus this and how we're living in time,
Speaker:past, present, and future, right?
Speaker:We're understanding this
Speaker:more from a scientific level now.
Speaker:But like you said, even with the farmers,
Speaker:there's just some things
Speaker:that have been sort of,
Speaker:I call it ancient wisdom, right?
Speaker:where we didn't need all the
Speaker:science to make sense of it.
Speaker:It just is.
Speaker:And this beauty of like the
Speaker:timing of where we think
Speaker:like something is supposed
Speaker:to be the way it's supposed to be.
Speaker:But then if we allow,
Speaker:because one of my mantras
Speaker:is from one of my spiritual
Speaker:friends and mentors is like, push less,
Speaker:allow more.
Speaker:and when we allow it's like
Speaker:and then I I get these
Speaker:periods of awe right this
Speaker:awe that like holy holy
Speaker:moly that just happened and
Speaker:it for me it's it doesn't
Speaker:the surprise doesn't come
Speaker:anymore because I'm so
Speaker:connected to knowing that
Speaker:there's there's this divine
Speaker:greater good that if we
Speaker:trust and allow it does
Speaker:start to appear but it will
Speaker:always come in a way that
Speaker:we least expect it which is
Speaker:why I know it works
Speaker:And,
Speaker:and you have this beautiful moment
Speaker:with yourself that says like,
Speaker:it's a full circle from age,
Speaker:and you're just like this.
Speaker:It's like that validation came.
Speaker:I'll give you a couple
Speaker:examples just in recent times,
Speaker:like where I went on my sabbatical and I,
Speaker:you know, I,
Speaker:I dropped everything and I
Speaker:moved to Asheville and I
Speaker:was doing some things to
Speaker:prepare myself for Peru and my journey.
Speaker:And things that I had
Speaker:accumulated that didn't
Speaker:really have like a true
Speaker:sense or meaning or feel
Speaker:like automatically just came into play.
Speaker:It was just like, Oh,
Speaker:even the little things like
Speaker:that chair or that table
Speaker:just happened to fit
Speaker:perfectly where I was there.
Speaker:But it had been something
Speaker:that I had had and hadn't
Speaker:really used for like years.
Speaker:And it just started falling
Speaker:into this beautiful,
Speaker:I would call it like the five D puzzle,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:oh, that one worked, that one worked.
Speaker:And all of a sudden it's just like,
Speaker:I think when you start to
Speaker:become aware and you're
Speaker:starting to be that observer,
Speaker:like you said,
Speaker:It starts popping up so much
Speaker:more frequently because
Speaker:you're so much more receptive to it, too.
Speaker:You know, that's how I feel.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:I feel like it's not like it's
Speaker:happening more to me.
Speaker:It's there's there's a
Speaker:connection now that I have
Speaker:with the world that maybe I
Speaker:hadn't had before because
Speaker:maybe I'm more open to it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I'm moving in that direction
Speaker:of being open to that world.
Speaker:know fractal you know this
Speaker:this new environment that's
Speaker:coming and I just love how
Speaker:the synchronicities start
Speaker:to happen in those ways
Speaker:when people are aligned
Speaker:when they're aligned with
Speaker:their inner self and so
Speaker:talk to people a little bit
Speaker:about you know how do they
Speaker:how people you work you
Speaker:said you work with people
Speaker:online and you work with
Speaker:people in person and you
Speaker:have some content um
Speaker:I've done a couple of your
Speaker:meditations online.
Speaker:I think they're awesome because it's,
Speaker:you gift that it's,
Speaker:you go right onto your
Speaker:website and you can click and hit,
Speaker:you can listen to these
Speaker:beautiful meditations to reset and to,
Speaker:to move forward.
Speaker:So I really,
Speaker:I was really appreciative of
Speaker:that because a lot of the
Speaker:times people don't know how
Speaker:to get started or what to do here.
Speaker:Cause there's a lot of
Speaker:people that are struggling right now.
Speaker:And,
Speaker:I don't think we need to
Speaker:just sit in the chaos and struggle.
Speaker:I think a lot of people just in general,
Speaker:it's not bad or good.
Speaker:It's human nature is we try
Speaker:to like repel from the
Speaker:things we don't feel are good.
Speaker:And we try to like cling to
Speaker:the things that we feel good with.
Speaker:And sometimes we're like, oh,
Speaker:it's so chaotic and the
Speaker:world stinks and everything's wrong.
Speaker:And it's like we can embrace that.
Speaker:not because it's good or bad,
Speaker:but because it is, like you said,
Speaker:in the present moment.
Speaker:And so I still want people
Speaker:to get some things that
Speaker:they can do to not adapt or
Speaker:be resilient to, but just like you said,
Speaker:it's find peace in the chaos.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:I think the thing that's
Speaker:really helped me professionally,
Speaker:the reason why I've been
Speaker:doing this like nearly for a decade,
Speaker:is because of being able to
Speaker:to offer free content so
Speaker:you know obviously I do
Speaker:that through my website
Speaker:there's also another great
Speaker:app that I'd like to point
Speaker:people towards called
Speaker:insight timer so I have a
Speaker:profile on there you know I
Speaker:think there's something like
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:I think that's something like three
Speaker:or four million listens to my meditations,
Speaker:which just lights me up on
Speaker:that because it means that
Speaker:so many people had an
Speaker:experience of themselves.
Speaker:The reason why the free
Speaker:content has been so great
Speaker:for me personally is that
Speaker:it gives me a barometer of
Speaker:the effect and the
Speaker:influence that my work has had.
Speaker:You know, I obviously work for people.
Speaker:So how I work usually online
Speaker:or in person is
Speaker:a one-off session,
Speaker:because that is maybe what
Speaker:a person needs at that time,
Speaker:or maybe it's all they can
Speaker:afford of my time.
Speaker:And I respect to be able to
Speaker:offer that opportunity
Speaker:because with that comes a
Speaker:night in my session, my full attention,
Speaker:a complete onboarding process,
Speaker:and then a sort of curated
Speaker:prescription of you.
Speaker:Like it could be meditations of mine,
Speaker:different documentaries
Speaker:that spring to mind.
Speaker:My list and bank of
Speaker:resources is just hours and
Speaker:hours and hours long
Speaker:because I really like,
Speaker:into people's world, what music they like.
Speaker:They may have danced when
Speaker:they were younger or they
Speaker:might have done model making.
Speaker:And it's all about pointing
Speaker:them to these things to
Speaker:sort of bring that quantum
Speaker:connection they feel in the
Speaker:session and the guided
Speaker:meditations and energy
Speaker:healing aspect into their
Speaker:real world practice.
Speaker:And then other people,
Speaker:They work with me for twelve
Speaker:sessions and they sort of
Speaker:space that as they wish.
Speaker:I have people who've worked
Speaker:with me for years and I've
Speaker:taken them through all
Speaker:sorts of transitions in their life,
Speaker:their career.
Speaker:It is really quite amazing.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:The free content,
Speaker:when I get a message from
Speaker:somebody who says, hey,
Speaker:I've been doing your free
Speaker:meditation series for three
Speaker:months and it's completely
Speaker:changed my life.
Speaker:I've changed my job.
Speaker:I just want to say thank you.
Speaker:I am like blown away because
Speaker:the way that I record my
Speaker:content just to give people an insight,
Speaker:which I've come to learn is
Speaker:very uncommon and unique,
Speaker:is that I just sit down.
Speaker:I just sit down and I do it ad hoc.
Speaker:There's no script.
Speaker:I just empty myself out completely.
Speaker:And I guess you could say
Speaker:I'm almost quantumly
Speaker:connecting with the desire
Speaker:of people who want a track from me,
Speaker:but also finding the sort
Speaker:of five D puzzle.
Speaker:I love that phrase because
Speaker:that's how I view it too,
Speaker:where I just get to
Speaker:experience by proxy something
Speaker:some amalgamation of that
Speaker:transformation that's going
Speaker:to come for people from
Speaker:that meditation so making a
Speaker:meditation that then goes
Speaker:on to impact hundreds of
Speaker:thousands of people is just
Speaker:I mean it blows my head if
Speaker:you told that to that
Speaker:thirteen year old kid
Speaker:reading that story I would
Speaker:have been completely blown
Speaker:away but what I love about it is that
Speaker:There's people in C-suite positions, CEOs,
Speaker:marketing directors.
Speaker:There's housewives in the
Speaker:back end of Alabama who've
Speaker:never really had any
Speaker:experience of meditation whatsoever.
Speaker:And they find the strength
Speaker:to leave their abusive
Speaker:partner and take their
Speaker:family to another state.
Speaker:there's young kids who maybe
Speaker:don't have that support or
Speaker:that application at home
Speaker:and then they go off and
Speaker:finish that application to
Speaker:art college or maybe it's
Speaker:just a stop gap for
Speaker:somebody on their lunch
Speaker:break and maybe that
Speaker:meditation this is the way
Speaker:that I like to think about
Speaker:it puts them in a good mood
Speaker:puts them in a good way and
Speaker:they meet that person they
Speaker:might not ever make that connection
Speaker:But as emotionally connected
Speaker:and quantumly involved my
Speaker:work is in that sense,
Speaker:there is also this mechanical aspect,
Speaker:like an architect,
Speaker:that I'm bringing to it too,
Speaker:where I'm seeing these
Speaker:pings and these resonances
Speaker:and these ripples creating,
Speaker:almost like in the backend
Speaker:code of people's psychology and reality,
Speaker:a positive force.
Speaker:The most important thing to me
Speaker:But anybody that works with
Speaker:me or anybody who meets me,
Speaker:if they have some sort of
Speaker:experience of themselves,
Speaker:is that they go and they
Speaker:say to themselves and are able to say,
Speaker:I did that,
Speaker:that they did that for themselves.
Speaker:Not that I did it,
Speaker:not that the meditation did it,
Speaker:not that the breath work or the technique,
Speaker:but they did it.
Speaker:Because as soon as they can
Speaker:self-identify with that,
Speaker:we're crumbling all sorts
Speaker:of mental matrices about
Speaker:putting things on pedestals.
Speaker:know bringing it back to
Speaker:ancient wisdom like you
Speaker:said I think there's a
Speaker:quantum leap in somebody's
Speaker:life when they really start
Speaker:to recognize they're more
Speaker:than just their physical
Speaker:form and then there's
Speaker:another which is really
Speaker:reflected in ancient
Speaker:traditions where they start
Speaker:to become visible in that
Speaker:way of being visible in
Speaker:that lifestyle visible in
Speaker:that view of themselves and
Speaker:then they start to celebrate it
Speaker:they start to talk about it
Speaker:doesn't necessarily have to
Speaker:be in a scientific or a
Speaker:spiritual vocabulary I see
Speaker:older people going into the
Speaker:community gardens here in
Speaker:the uk coming out with
Speaker:their squashes and their
Speaker:courgettes so later than
Speaker:evening in the summer
Speaker:sunshine I look at their
Speaker:faces and I'm like yeah you
Speaker:know it you know it you're
Speaker:like living and breathing it so
Speaker:For me, I just love the mixture of people,
Speaker:diverse backgrounds,
Speaker:diverse cultures that are
Speaker:just attracted to my work.
Speaker:It's just such a such a blessing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I think that's the universality of it.
Speaker:I think sometimes we get into these like,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:who's your ideal client and like
Speaker:these specifics behind it.
Speaker:And it's like.
Speaker:wholeness like being
Speaker:connected to something
Speaker:greater than you and being
Speaker:in this purpose driven life
Speaker:like in an experiencing
Speaker:life in these senses and
Speaker:being these divine beings
Speaker:in a human existence is
Speaker:free and available to every
Speaker:single human on the planet
Speaker:that's what we get to do
Speaker:and I love that you're
Speaker:you're acting as this guide you know um
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:I don't like the word coach
Speaker:anymore because it kind of
Speaker:puts a different hierarchy into it.
Speaker:It's like, you know, we're here to serve.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:this is why you have this beautiful free,
Speaker:you know, it's right on your website.
Speaker:You know, what's your website, by the way,
Speaker:just so people know?
Speaker:It's just simply OliverJamesJenkin.com.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:So OliverJamesJenkin.com.
Speaker:I went on it earlier.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:did his meditations, like you said,
Speaker:insight timer,
Speaker:lots of people know what that is.
Speaker:So now they can see you and
Speaker:follow you in there.
Speaker:And you and I both agree,
Speaker:like we're here to offer
Speaker:and if they want more,
Speaker:they can come reach out to you,
Speaker:you can do a session,
Speaker:you can do a group like a package,
Speaker:you can
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:you've got people that you've
Speaker:helped for years.
Speaker:Like I have people that I
Speaker:have helped for years
Speaker:because that's just it's in
Speaker:resonance and they feel
Speaker:they I always think it's
Speaker:it's the value exchange.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It's an energy exchange.
Speaker:And so when people when
Speaker:we're when we're able to
Speaker:deliver more energetic value to people,
Speaker:then.
Speaker:the energy in the form of
Speaker:currency or the firm of
Speaker:time or the form like
Speaker:there's different types of
Speaker:energies exchange but when
Speaker:we can contribute and be a
Speaker:giver then the abundance
Speaker:comes in return and I feel
Speaker:like when people are
Speaker:serving that's that's the
Speaker:best way I feel like I I
Speaker:don't ever like to sell
Speaker:anything it's like I'm
Speaker:offering and if it's if it
Speaker:matches with us let's let's
Speaker:work together right and so
Speaker:I think you're doing
Speaker:awesome some stuff because
Speaker:you know, hundreds of like for me,
Speaker:and it's the same thing.
Speaker:It's like this podcast is
Speaker:like my way of helping
Speaker:people open their eyes, get a veil open,
Speaker:open a door that they
Speaker:didn't understand that they
Speaker:might be because they might be stuck.
Speaker:And the medical system is
Speaker:just failing them.
Speaker:And they're sick and tired
Speaker:of feeling sick and tired.
Speaker:And they might just grab an episode.
Speaker:And it's like, oh,
Speaker:I'm going to explore this
Speaker:meditation or this sound
Speaker:healing or this type of thing.
Speaker:And
Speaker:And for whatever reason,
Speaker:I've had close to a couple
Speaker:hundred thousand downloads.
Speaker:And that's because it's just,
Speaker:I'm so happy for that.
Speaker:Not because I want followers
Speaker:or it's going to make me money.
Speaker:No, it's like, oh,
Speaker:I'm doing such good work
Speaker:because anybody can get
Speaker:this and get value and
Speaker:benefit to improving their life.
Speaker:That's what I think why it's
Speaker:such a match between the...
Speaker:the guests that come on this
Speaker:show is really in that alignment.
Speaker:You're here to serve.
Speaker:You're here to do well in the world.
Speaker:I always say,
Speaker:I just want to put a dent in the universe,
Speaker:like just a little dent.
Speaker:Like if I can do that and
Speaker:like in a good way,
Speaker:we're really doing well for
Speaker:not only humanity,
Speaker:but we're serving our own self by helping
Speaker:others and so I'm own zone
Speaker:like zones of genius to
Speaker:help people in the way that
Speaker:you do and how you do it
Speaker:because it's actually not
Speaker:that difficult when you
Speaker:start working with somebody
Speaker:or they start to under
Speaker:understand that these
Speaker:things are all innate
Speaker:inside of them it's like we
Speaker:don't I don't do anything
Speaker:it's like we're just
Speaker:they're doing the work
Speaker:right this is where I think people
Speaker:have that misconception
Speaker:especially in this west
Speaker:world brain of ours it's
Speaker:like that person's gonna
Speaker:fix me or that drug or that
Speaker:thing is gonna fix me and
Speaker:what I love working with
Speaker:people in transformation
Speaker:and healing is showing them
Speaker:it's all in there it's all within them
Speaker:And I think you really do
Speaker:well with starting and
Speaker:ending with that with people.
Speaker:Because I think it's so
Speaker:empowering when you sit
Speaker:there and you're like, I did that, right?
Speaker:It's not like something
Speaker:happened on the outside world.
Speaker:It's like we're all
Speaker:available to do this within ourselves.
Speaker:So amazing.
Speaker:Thank you so much for all that stuff,
Speaker:all you're doing.
Speaker:go visit his website, go learn more.
Speaker:You can get on, you know,
Speaker:are you on Instagrams and
Speaker:stuff like that?
Speaker:Or is it really just your website?
Speaker:I know Instagram and stuff as well.
Speaker:And I'd say that a great
Speaker:read on my website is the
Speaker:section where it just
Speaker:explains about my story,
Speaker:where I kind of break it
Speaker:down into different stages of my life.
Speaker:So I think that one of the
Speaker:things that people will
Speaker:always find quite
Speaker:interesting about me is,
Speaker:how I can have different
Speaker:elements of my life all
Speaker:going at the same time,
Speaker:especially I think there's
Speaker:a lot of lonely people out there.
Speaker:So my family life and my
Speaker:connection with my wife
Speaker:really speaks to people's
Speaker:aspirations for that level
Speaker:of support and connection
Speaker:and realism and impact in
Speaker:their everyday life.
Speaker:And that's, that's beautiful.
Speaker:Cause you know, you know,
Speaker:that's why we're also on
Speaker:this planet is to have these connections,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:These connections are not.
Speaker:And then,
Speaker:so that's using these as pillars for,
Speaker:for,
Speaker:health and healing is really
Speaker:what the essence of where I
Speaker:feel the golden age of,
Speaker:of where we're going in
Speaker:healthcare and humanity and
Speaker:our consciousness is really, you know,
Speaker:embracing these ideas so we
Speaker:can actually move ourselves.
Speaker:And by moving ourselves,
Speaker:we can move the collective.
Speaker:We can move humanity through
Speaker:with our own change and how
Speaker:we show up in the world.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:We could probably go on for
Speaker:like another two hours.
Speaker:We'll maybe go on another show.
Speaker:Like this is just the beginning.
Speaker:I love these chats.
Speaker:This is amazing.
Speaker:If you had to give people
Speaker:one thing out of this conversation today,
Speaker:what would it be?
Speaker:that your senses are not
Speaker:something to be afraid of.
Speaker:The richness that is there
Speaker:in your feeling really is worth unlocking,
Speaker:whether that's a little bit
Speaker:of fear or a whole heap of fear.
Speaker:Really,
Speaker:that is the one thing that I'd like
Speaker:to translate to everybody.
Speaker:The more connected you are to your senses,
Speaker:the more real the world
Speaker:becomes and the more real
Speaker:you are to the world too.
Speaker:That's beautiful and so true.
Speaker:Thank you so much for coming on today.
Speaker:I really appreciate your
Speaker:time and energy and what
Speaker:you're doing in the world.
Speaker:I appreciate you.
Speaker:Likewise.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:All right, everybody.
Speaker:That's a wrap.
Speaker:Go see him on his website.
Speaker:Go grab a meditation.
Speaker:This was awesome.
Speaker:Until next time, stay well.
