#86: The Hidden Forces Blocking Your Success—and How to Rewire Them With Ravinder Taylor
What if the most powerful tool for healing, happiness, and success isn’t a pill but your mind?
In this eye-opening episode of Beyond The Pills, we’re joined by Ravinder Taylor, author, hypnotherapist, and president of Progressive Awareness Research. With over 30 years of experience studying the science behind self-help, Ravinder dismantles common myths in the personal development space and introduces a grounded, research-backed approach to lasting transformation.
We explore the untapped potential of the placebo effect, the surprising truth about self-sabotage, and how optimism can literally extend your life. Ravinder also shares the science behind her latest book, Mind Training: The Science of Self-Empowerment, which is built on over 200 independent studies—and explains how just a few intentional practices can rewire your mind for confidence, clarity, and connection.
Whether you're skeptical of self-help or spiritually curious, this conversation bridges science and soul in a powerful way.
Highlights include:
- Why most self-help advice misses the mark
- The placebo effect as proof of your untapped inner power
- How to uncover (and undo) self-destructive patterns
- Techniques to boost joy, relationship success, and even life expectancy
- The truth about subliminal messaging—and how it really works
You are more powerful than you think. And this episode will show you how to reclaim that power.
🔗 Learn more and connect with Ravinder:
🌐 Website: ravindertaylor.com
Book: Mind Training: The Science of Self-Empowerment
Instagram: @ravindertaylor
Facebook: facebook.com/RavinderKTaylor
Transcript
hello hello welcome to this
Speaker:episode of beyond the pills
Speaker:where we explore the
Speaker:intersections of ancient
Speaker:wisdom and modern day
Speaker:science to unlock true
Speaker:healing body mind and
Speaker:spirit I'm josh rimini
Speaker:pharmacist turned healer
Speaker:and today we have a special
Speaker:guest uh in someone who has
Speaker:spent over three decades
Speaker:mastering the science and
Speaker:soul of self-empowerment ravinda taylor
Speaker:is the president of
Speaker:Progressive Awareness
Speaker:Research and the co-author
Speaker:of over two hundred
Speaker:personal motivation audio programs.
Speaker:She's a trained hypnotherapist,
Speaker:an ordained
Speaker:interdenominational minister
Speaker:and holds a degree in
Speaker:microbiology from the
Speaker:University College of Wales.
Speaker:She's also the author of the
Speaker:powerful new book, Mind Training,
Speaker:The Science of Self-Empowerment,
Speaker:which we'll get into.
Speaker:which draws on more than two
Speaker:hundred peer reviewed
Speaker:studies to provide a
Speaker:practical and evidence
Speaker:based self-help curriculum.
Speaker:Her work cuts through common
Speaker:self-help myths to reveal
Speaker:what really works and why
Speaker:we're more powerful than we think.
Speaker:Ravinda has appeared on
Speaker:national platforms like Coast to Coast,
Speaker:AM, and Today,
Speaker:and she joins us to share
Speaker:how we can break free from
Speaker:mental programming,
Speaker:harness the power of optimism,
Speaker:and truly reclaim control
Speaker:over our minds and our lives.
Speaker:Welcome to the show, Ravinda.
Speaker:Thanks so much for having me on, Josh.
Speaker:I'm looking forward to a
Speaker:great conversation.
Speaker:I'm, I loved our pre connection call,
Speaker:like the things you've been
Speaker:doing and what you do,
Speaker:because I I've been a
Speaker:student of mind over, you know,
Speaker:health and in controlling, like,
Speaker:reclaiming,
Speaker:like all those things that
Speaker:have gone in that emotional
Speaker:healing that I've done.
Speaker:And so
Speaker:Mind training, right?
Speaker:Mind training.
Speaker:This is a topic that I think
Speaker:is going to be a foundation
Speaker:for us to talk about today.
Speaker:But what is mind training
Speaker:and what does it mean to
Speaker:you to truly empower this
Speaker:and empower yourself?
Speaker:in a nutshell josh my
Speaker:training is about tweaking
Speaker:formerly subconscious
Speaker:processes to eliminate
Speaker:self-destructive behaviors
Speaker:enhance health and vitality
Speaker:and supercharge success
Speaker:potential the fact is most
Speaker:of us think we are just the
Speaker:way that we are we're the
Speaker:way that god made us or our
Speaker:genes made us we're a
Speaker:product of our
Speaker:circumstances and there
Speaker:isn't anything you can do
Speaker:about it we are just who we are and
Speaker:That is not the case.
Speaker:We have a whole lot more
Speaker:power than we think we have.
Speaker:When we learn how our minds work,
Speaker:then we have the ability to
Speaker:reverse engineer, I suppose,
Speaker:and to actually start
Speaker:creating our own lives as
Speaker:opposed to just being in
Speaker:the passenger seat of the car.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:I've been a student of that myself
Speaker:and teach people in
Speaker:different ways because this
Speaker:podcast and what I do is
Speaker:all about transformation and healing.
Speaker:And how did you get into this work?
Speaker:You studied microbiology,
Speaker:but you're into the
Speaker:neuroscience of change and
Speaker:you're talking about...
Speaker:reprogramming that
Speaker:subconscious space which is
Speaker:ninety five percent of our
Speaker:program right we're always
Speaker:programmed into what we can
Speaker:do and so how did you get
Speaker:into all this work I'm
Speaker:curious what's your story
Speaker:the back story we always
Speaker:love talking about people's
Speaker:backstories I do often
Speaker:think that you know kids get
Speaker:shoehorned into different
Speaker:fields of education and
Speaker:then into careers I think
Speaker:sometimes we make those
Speaker:choices too early looking
Speaker:back on it I much I would
Speaker:have much rather have gone
Speaker:into psychology because I'm
Speaker:fascinated by that but now
Speaker:um my family were typical
Speaker:asian parents they doctor
Speaker:lawyer um I wasn't smart
Speaker:enough to go into medicine so
Speaker:I ended up doing my degree
Speaker:in microbiology.
Speaker:I was working in a path lab.
Speaker:My approach was very science-based.
Speaker:I mean, I thought that was all there was.
Speaker:I wasn't interested in woo-woo stuff.
Speaker:The first time I encountered Reiki therapy,
Speaker:I cracked up laughing.
Speaker:I thought it was the funniest thing.
Speaker:It was that there was a
Speaker:mind-body expo kind of thing.
Speaker:There was this person that basically said,
Speaker:well, for fifty pounds,
Speaker:we can give you this energy.
Speaker:And for seventy five pounds,
Speaker:we can tell you how to use this energy.
Speaker:And I thought it was funny.
Speaker:I thought it was hysterical.
Speaker:So that was kind of the
Speaker:background that I came from.
Speaker:But then I was working in the lab.
Speaker:And one day there was a
Speaker:special presentation being
Speaker:hosted by the hospital that
Speaker:I was working at.
Speaker:And because it was being
Speaker:sponsored by the hospital,
Speaker:that gave it a kind of endorsement.
Speaker:And this presentation was on hypnotherapy.
Speaker:Now,
Speaker:I'd always thought hypnosis was
Speaker:something people did on stage.
Speaker:It was for entertainment.
Speaker:You tried to make people look stupid,
Speaker:have everyone have a laugh.
Speaker:But I learned a whole lot
Speaker:more in this presentation,
Speaker:a whole lot more.
Speaker:It was definitely valid
Speaker:because the subjects that
Speaker:he brought up to
Speaker:demonstrate the techniques
Speaker:on all happened to be from my lab.
Speaker:Now, this was a huge auditorium.
Speaker:People from my lab were
Speaker:spread out across the whole place.
Speaker:So it was just coincidental.
Speaker:But I knew for a fact that
Speaker:they weren't shills.
Speaker:But then he shared a story.
Speaker:And it was this one story
Speaker:that changed the trajectory
Speaker:of my entire life.
Speaker:And it was a story about a
Speaker:woman who had a pain in her arm.
Speaker:She'd had a pain in her arm a long while,
Speaker:a decade or more.
Speaker:I don't remember exactly exactly.
Speaker:She had seen all the doctors,
Speaker:seen all the specialists,
Speaker:hadn't been able to find a
Speaker:solution to it.
Speaker:Under hypnosis,
Speaker:they went back to what the
Speaker:triggering event was.
Speaker:And she remembered a traumatic event.
Speaker:It was an emotional event of some kind.
Speaker:She had dismissed it.
Speaker:It was in the past.
Speaker:We all have traumas in that past.
Speaker:We all have things that have upset us.
Speaker:But she went back to this specific event.
Speaker:After the hypnosis session,
Speaker:the following day,
Speaker:she called the
Speaker:hypnotherapist up and said
Speaker:the pain had gone.
Speaker:The pain had actually gone immediately,
Speaker:but she hadn't believed it.
Speaker:So she had waited for the
Speaker:following day to call him.
Speaker:And I was really intrigued
Speaker:by how something in the
Speaker:past could have such
Speaker:obvious effects on our
Speaker:present day experience.
Speaker:I was fascinated by the process.
Speaker:I underwent hypnotherapy myself,
Speaker:learned some really cool
Speaker:techniques like hypnotic drawing,
Speaker:hypnotic writing.
Speaker:Because I found that fascinating,
Speaker:I went on and did a
Speaker:three-year course in
Speaker:hypnosis and psychotherapy.
Speaker:And that was where I met my
Speaker:husband because he was
Speaker:doing a special
Speaker:presentation at the
Speaker:hypnotherapy school I was going to.
Speaker:So then I learned about
Speaker:subliminal communication,
Speaker:pre-conscious processing.
Speaker:And from there, you know,
Speaker:obviously I got married,
Speaker:but I then spent the last
Speaker:thirty five plus years
Speaker:researching how the mind works,
Speaker:how we learn,
Speaker:why we do the things that we do.
Speaker:my approach is very science-based,
Speaker:but my real interest lies
Speaker:in the practical applications.
Speaker:How can we use this to
Speaker:become better people?
Speaker:How can we use this to
Speaker:improve the quality of our lives,
Speaker:have better relationships?
Speaker:It's very much the practical
Speaker:usage of the science that
Speaker:gets my attention.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, it,
Speaker:It resonates because a lot
Speaker:of what I've done in my journey of,
Speaker:my professional and personal journey,
Speaker:I've always been drawn to
Speaker:the science and
Speaker:understanding the mechanisms.
Speaker:I'm a pharmacist by trade, right?
Speaker:But then I learned the
Speaker:wellness mechanisms and
Speaker:then I started learning
Speaker:about the neuroscience and
Speaker:then the energy medicine
Speaker:side that I'm just starting
Speaker:to be certified and learn
Speaker:is kind of my newer space
Speaker:where it is more of the woo side,
Speaker:but then there's this
Speaker:intersection with the science, right?
Speaker:Like you talked about, I loved how...
Speaker:you know, I but I love this story,
Speaker:because every time I pull
Speaker:this out with people is like,
Speaker:how did you get to do the thing you do?
Speaker:And it becomes the story for them of like,
Speaker:I went to this thing.
Speaker:And out of like, there was no,
Speaker:I don't think there's a
Speaker:coincidence that all the
Speaker:people in your lab were the
Speaker:participants because then you
Speaker:that's what you needed to
Speaker:validate that process,
Speaker:which intrigued you, which leaned you in,
Speaker:which got you to be
Speaker:certified in that modality,
Speaker:which then leads you into the next thing,
Speaker:which then leads you into
Speaker:meeting your husband.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:it was like the breadcrumbs just
Speaker:fell because it became in an alignment.
Speaker:So I love how...
Speaker:There is that universe of
Speaker:aligns that in the way that
Speaker:you least expected it,
Speaker:because that's how I feel.
Speaker:Some of this always works.
Speaker:So I just love the stories
Speaker:that people create of like
Speaker:their backstory.
Speaker:So thank you for that.
Speaker:And thank you for the
Speaker:constant reminder that
Speaker:things are working in our favor,
Speaker:even though we don't know it, you know,
Speaker:and then, um,
Speaker:the story of your client or this client,
Speaker:right.
Speaker:Where.
Speaker:she didn't remember it or
Speaker:she had passed it through.
Speaker:Like it wasn't emotionally affecting her,
Speaker:but there was this pain
Speaker:that had been trapped there
Speaker:for so long from an, the emotion,
Speaker:the emotional tension and
Speaker:trauma from that had
Speaker:created a physical component.
Speaker:So we were talking mind body here.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And then,
Speaker:through hypnosis,
Speaker:through this going past out
Speaker:into the subconscious, right?
Speaker:And then talking through it
Speaker:and then releasing that out
Speaker:automatically helped the
Speaker:physical ailment.
Speaker:And I think that's where I
Speaker:think a lot of what we've
Speaker:talked about on these
Speaker:podcasts and where people
Speaker:are sensing and feeling is like,
Speaker:there's the energetics, right?
Speaker:The energetics of it is the
Speaker:body's trapped there.
Speaker:But as soon as we,
Speaker:We reprogram, right?
Speaker:This was a therapy tool that
Speaker:was being used to do
Speaker:something that physical
Speaker:medicine probably would
Speaker:have never picked up, right?
Speaker:It was just like, oh,
Speaker:we're going to go to the shoulder.
Speaker:We're going to go to the orthopedic.
Speaker:We're going to get an MRI.
Speaker:And this is where I think a
Speaker:lot of us get these patients from.
Speaker:I've gone to the doctor.
Speaker:They've done all the tests.
Speaker:Nobody knows what's wrong with me,
Speaker:but something's wrong with me, right?
Speaker:And so I love that.
Speaker:And there's not one size fits all.
Speaker:This was just one way that
Speaker:what happened to it.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:How do you work with someone
Speaker:in the hypnotherapy space?
Speaker:Because this is just more
Speaker:curiosity for me.
Speaker:Is there some people that
Speaker:are easier to be hypnotized
Speaker:and move through this process?
Speaker:Or is there some people that, you know,
Speaker:because I've always talked to people like,
Speaker:oh, I can't get hypnotized.
Speaker:It's not me.
Speaker:Like they kind of talk like that.
Speaker:So I'm curious from your
Speaker:clinical perspective in the
Speaker:science behind hypnotherapy
Speaker:and moving into the subconscious,
Speaker:this is just one way, right?
Speaker:What's your experience with that?
Speaker:Because I'm kind of curious
Speaker:more for me than anything.
Speaker:Everyone can be hypnotized.
Speaker:The fact is hypnosis is just
Speaker:that more pronounced
Speaker:slowing down of brainwave activity,
Speaker:more open to suggestibility.
Speaker:And they've actually done
Speaker:research looking at people
Speaker:watching television and how
Speaker:quickly they can get into a
Speaker:hypnotic state.
Speaker:That's one of the reasons
Speaker:why advertisements on TV
Speaker:can be so dangerous, so impactful.
Speaker:So you have a commercial
Speaker:that is talking about XY drug,
Speaker:and it's going to take all
Speaker:your problems away.
Speaker:And when you're in that
Speaker:zoned out state on the sofa watching TV,
Speaker:well, then you just take it in.
Speaker:A big one for me,
Speaker:and this is one that I
Speaker:actually experienced myself,
Speaker:is to do with allergy season.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:today with streaming the way it is,
Speaker:it's a lot easier to avoid commercials.
Speaker:But back then it was impossible.
Speaker:So, yeah,
Speaker:I'm watching TV and every spring
Speaker:they would talk about
Speaker:allergy season coming and
Speaker:you need this drug and that drug.
Speaker:And I remember there was one period.
Speaker:I don't tend to have allergies.
Speaker:I don't tend to have hay fever.
Speaker:But there was this one year
Speaker:where all of a sudden I did.
Speaker:I was sneezing and snuffling.
Speaker:This story is actually more
Speaker:interesting because there's
Speaker:different aspects to it.
Speaker:So I see this commercial
Speaker:that talks about the hay fever.
Speaker:I start experiencing it,
Speaker:and I experience it to quite an extreme.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:it was interfering with intimacy.
Speaker:It's really impossible to be
Speaker:intimate with your partner
Speaker:when you have to stop and
Speaker:blow your nose every thirty seconds.
Speaker:It doesn't quite work.
Speaker:So I think for me that the
Speaker:symptom was triggered by
Speaker:seeing the commercial.
Speaker:But it took me a while to
Speaker:get through this particular one.
Speaker:I started looking at what
Speaker:the possible causes could be.
Speaker:I take self-responsibility
Speaker:to quite an extreme.
Speaker:Now, I'm going to
Speaker:There's a caution here.
Speaker:I'm not saying that everyone
Speaker:who is sick is doing it to themselves.
Speaker:That's not it at all.
Speaker:When I look at self-responsibility,
Speaker:I do it very, very personally.
Speaker:I'm doing it to myself.
Speaker:And when you ask yourself the question,
Speaker:why am I doing this to myself?
Speaker:It opens up avenues.
Speaker:It doesn't matter what area
Speaker:that you're looking at.
Speaker:If you say that I am part of it,
Speaker:so why am I creating it?
Speaker:As opposed to this is
Speaker:somebody else's fault.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:so is it my genes fault that I
Speaker:have hay fever this year?
Speaker:I've never had it before.
Speaker:But when you put the blame somewhere else,
Speaker:there isn't anything you
Speaker:can really do except treat symptoms.
Speaker:But when you say, why am I creating it?
Speaker:Then it does open up avenues.
Speaker:And for me, in this instance,
Speaker:it took me a while.
Speaker:I actually ended up
Speaker:So we've got a program
Speaker:called End Self-Destructive Patterns.
Speaker:We've got lots of programs.
Speaker:My husband is the creator.
Speaker:He's Eldon Taylor.
Speaker:He's the creator of the
Speaker:Inner Talk Subliminal Self-Help Programs.
Speaker:They're the only ones on the
Speaker:market that have been
Speaker:researched by independent
Speaker:universities and
Speaker:institutions and been
Speaker:demonstrated effective at
Speaker:priming how you speak to yourself.
Speaker:Just coincidentally through this,
Speaker:I had put on the end
Speaker:self-destructive patterns
Speaker:for myself and I had a dream.
Speaker:I had the dream.
Speaker:Now I've been having this
Speaker:problem for about nine months,
Speaker:but I had this dream where
Speaker:I was poisoning myself.
Speaker:And when I woke up the following day,
Speaker:I knew exactly what it was.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:sometimes the answers just pop
Speaker:out to you.
Speaker:And I knew it was because I
Speaker:was in a bit of a
Speaker:catch-twenty-two situation.
Speaker:There were some circumstances going on.
Speaker:So this was the strategy my
Speaker:subconscious mind was using
Speaker:to try to extricate myself.
Speaker:in the situation I was in it
Speaker:was a damned if you do and
Speaker:damned if you don't kind of
Speaker:situation as soon as I saw
Speaker:it as soon as I realized it
Speaker:it went away so I had been
Speaker:dealing with this non-stop
Speaker:sneezing snuffly stuff for
Speaker:nine months and as soon as
Speaker:the correct answer appeared
Speaker:it disappeared
Speaker:And we often find this with
Speaker:self-destructive behaviors.
Speaker:The subconscious mind isn't
Speaker:trying to punish you.
Speaker:It's not trying to create
Speaker:obstacles in your life so
Speaker:that you always have bad
Speaker:relationships or you always
Speaker:catch colds when nobody else does.
Speaker:It's not trying to do that to hurt you.
Speaker:It's doing that to try and
Speaker:protect you from a repeat hurt.
Speaker:So, you know,
Speaker:maybe the woman who had a pain in her arm,
Speaker:she just wanted...
Speaker:Her subconscious mind
Speaker:thought she needed the
Speaker:reminder not to get into
Speaker:that traumatic event again.
Speaker:Unfortunately,
Speaker:the subconscious mind almost
Speaker:always uses old information.
Speaker:It's out of date information.
Speaker:It's not relevant to today,
Speaker:but it is still just trying
Speaker:to protect you and creating
Speaker:self-sabotaging behaviors in the process.
Speaker:I think that's a great place to,
Speaker:there's so many questions I
Speaker:have in that because one, it's like,
Speaker:it's not,
Speaker:there is those protective mechanisms,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:And they are outdated because,
Speaker:and sometimes they're maladaptive, right?
Speaker:Because they,
Speaker:it was from your childhood or
Speaker:some other place.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden it
Speaker:keeps showing up.
Speaker:And I love how you're connecting
Speaker:that subconscious the
Speaker:programs to protect us um
Speaker:some call it ego too right
Speaker:and it's like but then how
Speaker:they manifest but then also
Speaker:how they become so quick to
Speaker:resolve once we bring
Speaker:awareness to them from a
Speaker:conscious level and a
Speaker:subconscious level so
Speaker:that's is that kind of how
Speaker:you work with somebody it's
Speaker:like to uncover these
Speaker:things or do you work with them to
Speaker:get them to realize what's
Speaker:going on underneath there
Speaker:you know there's two kind
Speaker:of approaches that I use
Speaker:josh um you can look
Speaker:backwards and try to find
Speaker:the cause of an issue one
Speaker:of the things that I have
Speaker:found is typically you can
Speaker:have one initial event that
Speaker:plants the seed for a
Speaker:problem but then there can
Speaker:be lots of events that
Speaker:reinforce that as you go
Speaker:along so when I do
Speaker:hypnotherapy you know I can
Speaker:do the the regression so
Speaker:you say you take a
Speaker:particular problem you put
Speaker:someone under hypnosis and
Speaker:you say okay I'm gonna
Speaker:count you back in time
Speaker:you know, one year at a time.
Speaker:And then you have an
Speaker:ideomotor response where
Speaker:you lift a finger,
Speaker:you ask the patient to lift a finger.
Speaker:Was there something in that
Speaker:year that triggered this
Speaker:particular issue that you're having?
Speaker:And what you find is that
Speaker:there can be lots of these triggers.
Speaker:So you can go back one by
Speaker:one to uncover them all.
Speaker:And at each uncovering,
Speaker:the problem can diminish.
Speaker:So that's one way to do it.
Speaker:And again,
Speaker:you don't have to use hypnosis
Speaker:for that kind of process.
Speaker:In my book, Mind Training,
Speaker:one of the things that I
Speaker:cover in there are the
Speaker:eight stages of development
Speaker:that Erickson put forward.
Speaker:And what he says is that at
Speaker:different phases of your life,
Speaker:you're supposed to learn
Speaker:different strategies,
Speaker:different ways to approach life.
Speaker:So for one example,
Speaker:they did some research
Speaker:looking at infants from zero,
Speaker:from birth to one and a
Speaker:half years of age.
Speaker:And they assessed their
Speaker:degree of bonding with
Speaker:their primary caregivers,
Speaker:their parents or whoever.
Speaker:And they were able to
Speaker:predict based on the degree
Speaker:of bonding that the infant
Speaker:had as to how many friends
Speaker:they would have in high
Speaker:school or what kind of
Speaker:personal relationships they would have.
Speaker:So you don't have to use
Speaker:hypnosis to go back and
Speaker:look at these things.
Speaker:One of the things I found is
Speaker:the more you question your
Speaker:subconscious mind,
Speaker:the more you truly believe
Speaker:that the answers lay there,
Speaker:the more the subconscious
Speaker:mind will give you the
Speaker:answers that you need.
Speaker:So having the framework of
Speaker:the eight stages of
Speaker:development gave me the
Speaker:ability to look back and say, oh,
Speaker:that's where my fear of
Speaker:public speaking came from.
Speaker:So you can look at all that.
Speaker:So you can look backwards in that way.
Speaker:You can use hypnosis.
Speaker:You can just question your
Speaker:subconscious mind.
Speaker:For me,
Speaker:having these eight stages of
Speaker:development gave a good framework,
Speaker:a good place to look at
Speaker:what I'm supposed to learn
Speaker:at these ages and where I have issues.
Speaker:But frequently,
Speaker:the problems that we can have,
Speaker:they're based on old information.
Speaker:They're not relevant now.
Speaker:So you can just look forward.
Speaker:One of the things that we
Speaker:have learned is that lots
Speaker:of our choices today,
Speaker:they're not conscious choices.
Speaker:The choices come from our
Speaker:subconscious mind.
Speaker:So you look at the work of Benjamin Libber,
Speaker:John Dylan Hayes.
Speaker:What they did was using
Speaker:electrodes or fMRI,
Speaker:they would look at the brain
Speaker:when someone's making a choice.
Speaker:And these choices were really simple.
Speaker:It may be something as simple as,
Speaker:am I going to press the
Speaker:button with my right hand
Speaker:or my left hand?
Speaker:Really simple.
Speaker:But what they found was
Speaker:there's activity in the
Speaker:subconscious mind up to
Speaker:seven seconds before the
Speaker:person says that they have
Speaker:made the choice.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:these choices are not being
Speaker:made consciously they're
Speaker:being made in the
Speaker:subconscious mind and we've
Speaker:in taken the subconscious
Speaker:mind is a repository of all
Speaker:of our experiences all of
Speaker:that stuff gets stored in
Speaker:the subconscious mind it
Speaker:has a bias towards
Speaker:negativity anything that
Speaker:hurt us and anything that
Speaker:upset us get stored there
Speaker:and then when you're making
Speaker:choices today you're
Speaker:reaching you know it's the
Speaker:subconscious mind that is
Speaker:giving you the answers so
Speaker:what you can do is try to
Speaker:change the programming in
Speaker:the subconscious mind and
Speaker:that is what the inner talk
Speaker:subliminal programs do so
Speaker:well because it's presented
Speaker:subliminally you're
Speaker:Defense mechanisms aren't in place.
Speaker:So you take something like
Speaker:an affirmation that says, I am good.
Speaker:People often talk about affirmations.
Speaker:Affirmations can be great.
Speaker:But you tell yourself something good.
Speaker:I am good.
Speaker:And to me, immediately,
Speaker:I get back the self-talk that says,
Speaker:what does good mean?
Speaker:Good at what?
Speaker:Hang on.
Speaker:I'm not really good.
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:how do you grade being a good person?
Speaker:I was kind of short with my partner today.
Speaker:I didn't stop and give that
Speaker:homeless person some money today.
Speaker:What does good mean?
Speaker:So you argue back with it.
Speaker:With the Inner Talk subliminal programs,
Speaker:it bypasses that process totally.
Speaker:So these affirmations go
Speaker:directly into your
Speaker:subconscious mind and
Speaker:change the programming there.
Speaker:So when I'm looking at looking forwards,
Speaker:I'm saying, okay,
Speaker:you take a particular situation.
Speaker:Maybe you're trying to lose weight.
Speaker:Maybe you believe that you
Speaker:always get into bad relationships.
Speaker:Maybe you think you just
Speaker:have a self-destructive personality.
Speaker:So what is the kind of self-talk?
Speaker:Your self-talk is a mirror.
Speaker:on all the beliefs that are
Speaker:stored in the subconscious mind.
Speaker:How can you change it?
Speaker:automatically.
Speaker:And that is what the inner
Speaker:talk subliminal programs do.
Speaker:So I will look both ways,
Speaker:you can look backwards at a problem,
Speaker:or you can say, Okay,
Speaker:how can I fix it right now,
Speaker:you can use affirmations,
Speaker:you can use a correctly
Speaker:created subliminal self help program,
Speaker:just to inundate the
Speaker:subconscious mind with
Speaker:beliefs that are positive,
Speaker:that actually support your goals.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:That's
Speaker:it's a fascinating space of like,
Speaker:how do you
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:when I hear you talking about
Speaker:these inner talk subliminal things,
Speaker:it's like, how do you get in there,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:How do you get in that protective field?
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:that's going to already talk you out
Speaker:before you even thought
Speaker:about it or in that space.
Speaker:When you work in that realm with people,
Speaker:obviously we've got to find out, like,
Speaker:I would like to know where
Speaker:people can go learn for that.
Speaker:We'll teach people where
Speaker:those tools are and where
Speaker:they can go find them later on.
Speaker:But, like...
Speaker:Talk me through that process
Speaker:of working with someone on that capacity.
Speaker:Is it something that they
Speaker:can learn and then they use
Speaker:to do on their own?
Speaker:Or is it in a clinic setting
Speaker:where you're kind of
Speaker:talking back and forth?
Speaker:I'm sure people are trying to think about,
Speaker:for me,
Speaker:the logical guy in me just wants
Speaker:to think about,
Speaker:what's the mechanism of that process?
Speaker:If you're working with someone like that,
Speaker:is it a period of months?
Speaker:Is it a period of years?
Speaker:How does it look?
Speaker:I am not practicing hypnotherapy today.
Speaker:I do talk to clients all the time.
Speaker:Frequently people will come
Speaker:to us and they can say something like,
Speaker:I want to be successful.
Speaker:So where I will guide them is like, okay,
Speaker:well, what does success mean to you?
Speaker:Is that success in business?
Speaker:Is that success in relationships?
Speaker:Is that success in your fitness goals?
Speaker:What does success mean to you?
Speaker:And I will hone them into that.
Speaker:People generally,
Speaker:the problem that I see most
Speaker:commonly is they've got these big goals.
Speaker:They want everything all at once.
Speaker:They want to be successful
Speaker:in all of these different areas.
Speaker:And I tell them to focus.
Speaker:Focus on what will help you
Speaker:be happier today.
Speaker:Because isn't that what all
Speaker:self-help and personal development is?
Speaker:It's about creating more happiness.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:earning more money isn't just
Speaker:about having a bigger bank account.
Speaker:It's about what you can do without money.
Speaker:Because you can buy things
Speaker:that can make you happier,
Speaker:or you can help out your
Speaker:children when they need money,
Speaker:or you can take care of your parents.
Speaker:But the root of all of this,
Speaker:the root of all personal
Speaker:development is about being happier.
Speaker:So I will ask people,
Speaker:what is it that will make
Speaker:you feel happier today?
Speaker:Forget about these big goals.
Speaker:You can't achieve everything
Speaker:all in one go.
Speaker:But what happens is when you hone it in,
Speaker:Become very specific.
Speaker:Think about just today.
Speaker:Take steps to make yourself happier today.
Speaker:And you'll find it has a
Speaker:rippling effect across all
Speaker:of these other areas.
Speaker:Lots of these other problems
Speaker:will simply disappear by themselves.
Speaker:And so that reduces the
Speaker:amount of work that you need to do.
Speaker:So the most important part, I think,
Speaker:when I'm talking to people
Speaker:is trying to hone in to
Speaker:what it is that they want.
Speaker:Then I question them about
Speaker:where they think the problem started.
Speaker:I had one woman come to me.
Speaker:She had used our InnerTalk
Speaker:program for weight loss and
Speaker:was not getting the results
Speaker:that she wanted.
Speaker:So I was talking to her and
Speaker:I was asking her, well,
Speaker:where do you think it started?
Speaker:What happened in your past?
Speaker:Where did this,
Speaker:at what point did weight
Speaker:begin to become an issue?
Speaker:What else was going on in your life?
Speaker:In that conversation, she said, actually,
Speaker:I was abused as a child.
Speaker:So perhaps that's what I need to look at.
Speaker:And she did.
Speaker:She ended up getting our
Speaker:survivors of abuse program.
Speaker:People who have experienced abuse,
Speaker:they often internalize all
Speaker:of this information.
Speaker:They say,
Speaker:I must have done something wrong.
Speaker:That's why I'm being abused.
Speaker:Or I'm not really a good person.
Speaker:That's why I was being abused.
Speaker:They take it all personally.
Speaker:You need to change that kind of thinking.
Speaker:So
Speaker:This particular client did
Speaker:use our survivors of abuse program.
Speaker:She called me back a week or so afterwards,
Speaker:said that she had some kind
Speaker:of breakthrough.
Speaker:She felt some kind of release.
Speaker:She went and started using
Speaker:the weight loss program and
Speaker:now everything was working fine.
Speaker:She was really happy.
Speaker:So her initial goal was just
Speaker:to lose weight.
Speaker:The technique didn't work for her.
Speaker:So she had to dig a little deeper.
Speaker:And then she found that it was, you know,
Speaker:the self-talk that she had
Speaker:that was related to the
Speaker:abuse that she experienced.
Speaker:The Inner Talk program
Speaker:changed that kind of self-talk.
Speaker:And then she could go on to
Speaker:the positive things about
Speaker:weight loss and the
Speaker:affirmations that say things like,
Speaker:I enjoy, I like eating fruit.
Speaker:So we often can hear from
Speaker:people using the program
Speaker:that say they'll go to the
Speaker:fridge to get a piece of chocolate cake.
Speaker:They'll either close the
Speaker:fridge realizing they're
Speaker:not hungry anyway.
Speaker:It's just a habit.
Speaker:Or they decide that the
Speaker:apple looks tastier.
Speaker:So they will get that instead.
Speaker:It's changing that self-talk
Speaker:going forward.
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:It's good stuff.
Speaker:Oh, I'm losing my internet here.
Speaker:So in your work, that's a big process,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:Is there more to that?
Speaker:Actually, inner talk is just one thing.
Speaker:of the tools that I outline
Speaker:in mind training.
Speaker:It is only one.
Speaker:It's, you know,
Speaker:it's a significant part of
Speaker:the work my husband and I do.
Speaker:It can be the quickest way
Speaker:to deal with all of this,
Speaker:but the whole process can
Speaker:be a whole lot bigger.
Speaker:It depends how much you want to do.
Speaker:If you want to fix one problem right now,
Speaker:yeah, go for it.
Speaker:Find the correct inner talk program.
Speaker:That will be fine.
Speaker:But mind training goes
Speaker:through the entire process.
Speaker:It goes through how we learn behaviors,
Speaker:how things can push us
Speaker:around so that we're like
Speaker:puppets with somebody else
Speaker:pulling the strings.
Speaker:there are there's lots of
Speaker:ways you know there's lots
Speaker:of work done in marketing
Speaker:in particular where they
Speaker:look at compliance
Speaker:principles and reciprocity
Speaker:and how they can get people
Speaker:to buy a particular product
Speaker:or how they can get them to
Speaker:behave in in a certain way
Speaker:so I mean I discovered that there's
Speaker:There's loads of research in this area,
Speaker:Josh.
Speaker:There's just lots and lots of it.
Speaker:You don't have to learn all of that.
Speaker:But understanding that these
Speaker:things do go on.
Speaker:So I discovered that if you
Speaker:go to a restaurant and the
Speaker:waitress is wearing red,
Speaker:she will receive more tips.
Speaker:And it doesn't matter if
Speaker:it's from a male customer
Speaker:or a female customer.
Speaker:A waitress in red will just
Speaker:receive more tips.
Speaker:There's research like this
Speaker:going on everywhere.
Speaker:And who do you think is
Speaker:using this research the most?
Speaker:It's going to be the advertisers,
Speaker:the marketers, the politicians.
Speaker:Why not take this
Speaker:information and use it ourselves?
Speaker:So I have a whole chapter
Speaker:that talks about these principles.
Speaker:And the idea isn't that you
Speaker:have to know them all and
Speaker:understand them all,
Speaker:but it's having the general
Speaker:awareness that this stuff exists.
Speaker:So then when you're watching
Speaker:a politician or you're
Speaker:seeing an advertisement on TV,
Speaker:you can have that skeptical hat on,
Speaker:so to speak.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:you take a step back and to use
Speaker:Kahneman's word,
Speaker:you can employ more system two thinking.
Speaker:That's a concept,
Speaker:but it's more of the
Speaker:careful thinking as opposed
Speaker:to the automatic reactions
Speaker:that come from your subconscious mind.
Speaker:You can pay attention to all of that.
Speaker:There is also the amount of
Speaker:research that has been done
Speaker:on optimism and positivity and how
Speaker:the kinds of benefits that
Speaker:you get from that.
Speaker:It's incredible, Josh.
Speaker:Looking at the longitudinal
Speaker:nurses study that was done,
Speaker:They had the nurses keep journals.
Speaker:And what they found was the
Speaker:most optimistic women would
Speaker:have like a sixteen percent
Speaker:reduced risk of dying from cancer,
Speaker:a thirty eight percent
Speaker:reduced risk of dying from heart disease,
Speaker:a fifty two percent reduced
Speaker:risk of dying from an
Speaker:infection from being optimistic.
Speaker:The work that interested me
Speaker:in particular was research
Speaker:out of Johns Hopkins,
Speaker:where they looked at the
Speaker:effect of positivity in heart disease.
Speaker:And they found even in
Speaker:families with a history of heart disease,
Speaker:and my family does have a
Speaker:history of heart disease.
Speaker:You can see that time and time again.
Speaker:What they found was that
Speaker:with a positive outlook,
Speaker:you are a third less likely
Speaker:of experiencing heart disease,
Speaker:even with a family history of it.
Speaker:So then you start looking at, well,
Speaker:how do we cultivate positivity?
Speaker:I'm not talking about toxic positivity.
Speaker:I'm not talking about the
Speaker:person that pretends to be
Speaker:positive all the time.
Speaker:In fact,
Speaker:they did discover that those
Speaker:people who were hyper positive,
Speaker:could actually end up creating cancer.
Speaker:And what they thought it was due to was,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:they were pretending so much
Speaker:that it was really an act of denial.
Speaker:They were just covering it.
Speaker:It wasn't real.
Speaker:It wasn't inside.
Speaker:It was just very surface level.
Speaker:The other problem with
Speaker:toxic positivity is that it
Speaker:can reduce your empathy to
Speaker:to other people you know
Speaker:when somebody else is in
Speaker:pain you want to you want
Speaker:to be there and support
Speaker:them having the connection
Speaker:with other people if you're
Speaker:overly positive it can turn
Speaker:that empathy off which
Speaker:isn't good for you and it's
Speaker:not good for the people
Speaker:around you so my training
Speaker:looks at all of these
Speaker:different areas and it looks at
Speaker:techniques for creating habits,
Speaker:normal habits.
Speaker:The process is not a case of, well,
Speaker:every day I've got to spend
Speaker:half an hour meditating and
Speaker:I've got to do X amount of
Speaker:exercise and I have to do, you know,
Speaker:it's not like it's time intensive.
Speaker:What I do in mind training
Speaker:is look up all of these
Speaker:different areas and then
Speaker:provide ways that you can implement them
Speaker:Really easily.
Speaker:The longest exercise I have
Speaker:in mind training is just a
Speaker:twelve minute meditation.
Speaker:That's the longest one.
Speaker:The rest of them,
Speaker:it's all a case of habituating.
Speaker:what you do.
Speaker:So you wake up in the morning,
Speaker:you feel cranky, it happens.
Speaker:Biology does that to you.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:perhaps it's because you ate too
Speaker:much sugar the prior day.
Speaker:So you have the sugar high,
Speaker:sugar low in your sleep, your body,
Speaker:you wake up in the morning,
Speaker:your body's not feeling optimal.
Speaker:And you interpret that as being depressed.
Speaker:But there are things that you can do.
Speaker:So for me, if I wake up cranky,
Speaker:I'm going to do some
Speaker:diaphragmatic breathing.
Speaker:I'm going to incorporate the
Speaker:Duchenne smile.
Speaker:These things don't take any time.
Speaker:I can do it as I'm walking
Speaker:down the stairs in the morning.
Speaker:So you incorporate those things.
Speaker:If I'm feeling really blue,
Speaker:I will try to step outdoors
Speaker:and get some sunshine
Speaker:because that will turn on
Speaker:serotonin in the brain
Speaker:that's going to make me happier.
Speaker:If
Speaker:If it's a cloudy day, a rainy day,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:maybe I've got my light therapy
Speaker:lamps and I will turn those on.
Speaker:But there are lots of little
Speaker:things that you can do to turn it around.
Speaker:And yeah, so it's a whole process.
Speaker:Sorry, that was a very long answer,
Speaker:but it goes well beyond that.
Speaker:just the InnerTalk subliminal programs.
Speaker:They are one tool.
Speaker:I look at the entire
Speaker:spectrum and try to give
Speaker:the reader all the tools
Speaker:they need to personalize the information,
Speaker:to take on board the
Speaker:aspects that work better for them.
Speaker:We're all different.
Speaker:Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker:I think that's what's
Speaker:important for people to know.
Speaker:It's what resonates with you.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:How do you move to here to here?
Speaker:Here is like, well, if that's about it,
Speaker:I've talked to them recently.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:but there's a balance between
Speaker:consistency and consistency.
Speaker:trying new things, right?
Speaker:It's like, well,
Speaker:you can't try it once
Speaker:either and expect it to work.
Speaker:So there's this balancing where like, Hey,
Speaker:try it for a little while.
Speaker:If it doesn't work, go to the next thing.
Speaker:And they stack on each other too.
Speaker:So these things can be done.
Speaker:And I'm glad,
Speaker:I love that you have these
Speaker:tools for people that are
Speaker:Either no cost or low cost,
Speaker:like the things you just talked about.
Speaker:You buy a bulb, right?
Speaker:You buy a lamp.
Speaker:It's not that big of a deal.
Speaker:Or you smile.
Speaker:Or you have a certain way of thinking.
Speaker:And these are things we...
Speaker:can do this is part of the
Speaker:lifestyle medicine
Speaker:education we can give
Speaker:ourselves is you know
Speaker:instead of going to the the
Speaker:advertised drug that costs
Speaker:fifteen hundred dollars a
Speaker:month to barely do
Speaker:something and it's like no
Speaker:you can actually do things
Speaker:to empower yourself so now
Speaker:that we've talked a lot
Speaker:about the book mind
Speaker:training like where can
Speaker:people go find that resource
Speaker:The book,
Speaker:you can purchase anywhere books are sold,
Speaker:Amazon, Barnes & Noble,
Speaker:your local bookstore,
Speaker:if they don't have it,
Speaker:they can order it in.
Speaker:So the book title is Mind Training,
Speaker:The Science of Self-Empowerment.
Speaker:It's very much about personal empowerment.
Speaker:You can learn more about me
Speaker:going to my website.
Speaker:That's ravindataylor.com.
Speaker:But what I would like even
Speaker:more is if you can friend
Speaker:me on Instagram or Facebook
Speaker:because I love interactions.
Speaker:I love hearing about
Speaker:people's experiences when
Speaker:they try out these tools and techniques.
Speaker:It's getting feedback from
Speaker:people that use these tools
Speaker:and techniques that gives
Speaker:me the ability to refine
Speaker:them and try to make them
Speaker:even more satisfying.
Speaker:significant that's great and
Speaker:it's also a reminder that
Speaker:we we learn from our peers
Speaker:right when somebody posts
Speaker:something that says hey
Speaker:this was really impactful
Speaker:or this really worked it's
Speaker:not a testimonial per se
Speaker:it's really about this is
Speaker:from my experience is like
Speaker:people learn through
Speaker:experiences through other
Speaker:people's experiences,
Speaker:and it gives them hope and
Speaker:it gives them encouragement.
Speaker:So I'm glad that you're,
Speaker:you're on the side of
Speaker:encouraging people to give you feedback,
Speaker:because that's do does how
Speaker:we learn and refine our stuff.
Speaker:But it's also how how people
Speaker:can be motivated to do it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so I think that's amazing.
Speaker:So
Speaker:ravindotaylor.com.
Speaker:You've got your book.
Speaker:You can go anywhere to get that.
Speaker:Those are such cool things.
Speaker:I'm really going to start
Speaker:diving into the subliminal
Speaker:programs and offering them.
Speaker:And I know there's some
Speaker:controversy around those
Speaker:kind of programs.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:why is the science so misunderstood here?
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:There's money interest.
Speaker:I actually,
Speaker:in the appendix of mind training,
Speaker:I go through the story of
Speaker:subliminal communication and why it is,
Speaker:is so misunderstood.
Speaker:I will tell you one thing.
Speaker:If you go out to Snopes, you know,
Speaker:In this day of misinformation,
Speaker:I will frequently go to
Speaker:Snopes to find out the
Speaker:truth behind a story.
Speaker:And if you go and look up
Speaker:subliminal and popcorn advertising,
Speaker:I think you'll go to the
Speaker:page and it will tell you
Speaker:categorically that
Speaker:subliminals don't work.
Speaker:But one of the examples they
Speaker:used to say that was
Speaker:because this all came from
Speaker:some research that was done
Speaker:in a New Jersey theater.
Speaker:It was the eat popcorn,
Speaker:drink Coca-Cola subliminal
Speaker:ad that came out.
Speaker:And there was lots of controversy.
Speaker:I said, I go through the full story.
Speaker:But one of the examples
Speaker:Snopes gives is that after
Speaker:the initial research was
Speaker:done in the New Jersey theater,
Speaker:the head of the
Speaker:Psychological Institute did
Speaker:a replication and it failed.
Speaker:This particular head died
Speaker:five years before.
Speaker:So it was absolutely impossible.
Speaker:for him to have done that replication.
Speaker:But on the internet,
Speaker:information gets spread and repeated.
Speaker:So I have come across that
Speaker:same information written by profs
Speaker:highly respectable universities.
Speaker:They're just repeating the
Speaker:same information that is incorrect.
Speaker:And we have learned that a
Speaker:lie repeated often enough
Speaker:becomes a truth.
Speaker:But then you also think
Speaker:about the amount of money behind it.
Speaker:The whole thing became super
Speaker:controversial after the
Speaker:Judas Priest trial.
Speaker:This was in the nineties and Judas Priest,
Speaker:there was a court case.
Speaker:They said that
Speaker:It was subliminal messages
Speaker:in their music that had
Speaker:caused two young men to try
Speaker:to commit suicide.
Speaker:One was successful.
Speaker:The other was not,
Speaker:but he ended up dying three
Speaker:years later from his injuries.
Speaker:I'm not passing judgment on
Speaker:the court case at all,
Speaker:but you get to see the
Speaker:amount of misinformation.
Speaker:But one of the things they did,
Speaker:you would have seen in all
Speaker:the papers at the time,
Speaker:they hyped up a research
Speaker:paper that demonstrated
Speaker:that subliminal self-help
Speaker:programs don't work.
Speaker:It was everywhere, Josh.
Speaker:But your background is in science.
Speaker:You understand the basics of science.
Speaker:The fact is you don't need
Speaker:to have a scientific degree in school.
Speaker:We are taught for any scientific study,
Speaker:you control the variables.
Speaker:You have to have the exact
Speaker:same conditions in order to
Speaker:say that something is a replication.
Speaker:You can't change stuff.
Speaker:In this particular scientific paper,
Speaker:it was really flawed.
Speaker:And I take that apart.
Speaker:But one of the things they
Speaker:did was they took self-help
Speaker:programs off the shelf from a store.
Speaker:They used three different
Speaker:programs and they researched that.
Speaker:Now, Josh,
Speaker:there isn't a strict definition
Speaker:to what subliminal is.
Speaker:So you've got three
Speaker:different companies producing programs.
Speaker:You don't know what the
Speaker:technology is behind them.
Speaker:If one of them had worked,
Speaker:it would be brilliant.
Speaker:buried by the other two not
Speaker:working there were just
Speaker:just factors like that that
Speaker:just kept on coming through
Speaker:um in this paper there's
Speaker:even some definitions out
Speaker:there where they say that
Speaker:see to me it's subliminal
Speaker:if you don't report hearing
Speaker:it it's not to say that
Speaker:that you don't hear it occasionally.
Speaker:It's about it being in the
Speaker:background so far that you're not aware.
Speaker:It's not saying that you can
Speaker:hear a violinist playing
Speaker:the other end of town.
Speaker:That is not what subliminal is.
Speaker:It has to be in the correct range.
Speaker:But some of these profs who
Speaker:were going on about
Speaker:subliminal doesn't work.
Speaker:They were using definitions that said, no,
Speaker:if you're guessing
Speaker:correctly what the answer is,
Speaker:then you have perceived it.
Speaker:So therefore, it's not subliminal,
Speaker:which is ridiculous.
Speaker:Absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker:They played games, but they haven't.
Speaker:There has been meta studies done,
Speaker:meta analysis done,
Speaker:where they look at a hundred,
Speaker:two hundred different research studies.
Speaker:And today it is hard and fast.
Speaker:Subliminal communication does work.
Speaker:It does have an influence.
Speaker:It has an influence on your emotions.
Speaker:One of the research studies
Speaker:I came across after this
Speaker:was where the subjects
Speaker:listened to ten seconds.
Speaker:of the subliminal information.
Speaker:Now, to me,
Speaker:that's akin to saying caffeine
Speaker:is a stimulant.
Speaker:Therefore,
Speaker:I'm going to give you one drop
Speaker:of coffee on your tongue
Speaker:and then I'm going to
Speaker:measure your blood pressure
Speaker:to see if there was a difference.
Speaker:That's dumb.
Speaker:That is dumb.
Speaker:So that is why it was so
Speaker:misunderstood because there
Speaker:was a concerted effort
Speaker:to make it so,
Speaker:so that advertisers could
Speaker:carry on using it basically.
Speaker:Well, it's just the whole adage, which,
Speaker:which is the truth of the matter is, is,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:especially when you're in the
Speaker:field of science is you can
Speaker:always tailor your,
Speaker:your studies around your, your,
Speaker:your outcome that you want, right?
Speaker:This is what pharma's done and, and,
Speaker:you know, why we,
Speaker:why they wash out the placebo effect.
Speaker:Cause they don't want people
Speaker:to know that they,
Speaker:Thirty percent of people can
Speaker:get better off nothing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It's just so we you and I
Speaker:both agree and nurture the
Speaker:placebo effect in people.
Speaker:So it's just another it's
Speaker:just another reminder, though, that like.
Speaker:I love what you said, though.
Speaker:You said it the way I heard it was,
Speaker:if you speak something
Speaker:that's not truth so much,
Speaker:it becomes a truth.
Speaker:It becomes normalized,
Speaker:and then it becomes where
Speaker:if you say it long enough,
Speaker:people start to believe it,
Speaker:and then it becomes true.
Speaker:I'm glad that you brought that up.
Speaker:I think there's always going to be
Speaker:controversy,
Speaker:especially around things that
Speaker:are cures or healing where
Speaker:someone doesn't have
Speaker:control of the outcome, right?
Speaker:Like some other being,
Speaker:some other organization,
Speaker:whether it's big pharma, big food,
Speaker:they're the ones that tend to
Speaker:drum up some of the
Speaker:controversy when you good
Speaker:people like you or I are
Speaker:trying to teach people how
Speaker:to empower themselves and
Speaker:to be in the driver's seat
Speaker:of their own health and
Speaker:healing and transformation.
Speaker:And so thank you for
Speaker:bringing that to light and
Speaker:to debunking the things because of
Speaker:For me,
Speaker:it's mixing the science with the
Speaker:theory with also what
Speaker:you've seen in your own
Speaker:practice or you've seen in
Speaker:your own experience because
Speaker:those are valid parts, right?
Speaker:This is why you want people
Speaker:to share on social and not
Speaker:just go straight to the study.
Speaker:It's like, well,
Speaker:if that's working for you,
Speaker:That's great.
Speaker:Let's just nurture the fact
Speaker:that it's working for you.
Speaker:We don't need to really know why.
Speaker:We know why,
Speaker:but we don't really need to
Speaker:validate the why.
Speaker:We just know it works.
Speaker:If it works, it works.
Speaker:Sometimes that's good enough for me.
Speaker:If somebody takes a
Speaker:supplement and they get
Speaker:good results from it
Speaker:allergies is a great one
Speaker:right I just gave someone
Speaker:my uh the supplement that I
Speaker:helped formulate years ago
Speaker:and it's really good and it
Speaker:works naturally and he's
Speaker:like I didn't believe you
Speaker:but can this thing work
Speaker:this fast like it's really
Speaker:helping me and I was
Speaker:suffering and I said yeah
Speaker:it can and it's like look
Speaker:at that like you you just
Speaker:tried it it worked
Speaker:And I think if people read
Speaker:your book and they just try
Speaker:a couple of these things
Speaker:and it helps them, well,
Speaker:that gets the ball rolling.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That's that's the next step.
Speaker:So that's amazing.
Speaker:Thank you so much for that.
Speaker:Thank you for reminding me of that.
Speaker:Let me let me.
Speaker:As we're winding down here,
Speaker:this has been really helpful.
Speaker:I love,
Speaker:I can't wait to grab a copy of your
Speaker:book and start reading in it.
Speaker:I love this kind of stuff.
Speaker:I have one more question for
Speaker:you before we kind of wrap up here,
Speaker:but like you're also an
Speaker:ordained minister.
Speaker:And I just did a recording
Speaker:with someone the other day
Speaker:and the same thing.
Speaker:And they're all science oriented,
Speaker:but you're an ordained minister.
Speaker:And so how does,
Speaker:how do you see spirituality
Speaker:fitting into a
Speaker:science-based self-help model?
Speaker:To me, it,
Speaker:Spirituality is a huge part of my life,
Speaker:Josh.
Speaker:I can read science papers
Speaker:and I can find spirituality within them.
Speaker:Sapolsky has got in his book, Determined.
Speaker:I don't know if you've read that.
Speaker:It's a great book.
Speaker:He goes through all the
Speaker:arguments against free will.
Speaker:Some of the greatest minds
Speaker:in the world will tell you
Speaker:categorically free will doesn't exist.
Speaker:But in Sapolsky's book, he's an atheist.
Speaker:But I think he gave this one
Speaker:particular story.
Speaker:He's talking about neurons in a Petri dish,
Speaker:if I remember correctly.
Speaker:And when it was just flat in
Speaker:the Petri dish,
Speaker:they just wandered around randomly.
Speaker:As soon as they made it three-dimensional,
Speaker:increased the depth,
Speaker:then they started to come
Speaker:together to form structures.
Speaker:And to me...
Speaker:That was spirituality in action.
Speaker:That was God in action.
Speaker:So I'm always finding
Speaker:elements to it in mind training.
Speaker:I talk about awe.
Speaker:I talk about meditation.
Speaker:I talk about faith.
Speaker:You bring faith into it.
Speaker:That's going to make it so much stronger,
Speaker:so much more powerful.
Speaker:Then I have this section on free will.
Speaker:You've said a couple of
Speaker:times now about everyone
Speaker:should go out and talk
Speaker:about the positive benefits
Speaker:they've had using these
Speaker:different tools and techniques.
Speaker:But when we talk about free will,
Speaker:I think everyone,
Speaker:so let's make it a very specific example.
Speaker:Everyone listening to your
Speaker:podcast is interested in
Speaker:this information.
Speaker:If they take on board the
Speaker:information and it changes their lives,
Speaker:then the people around them
Speaker:who think that the stuff is
Speaker:all hocus pocus,
Speaker:they're going to see the
Speaker:before and after in that person.
Speaker:So therefore,
Speaker:that becomes part of their experience.
Speaker:See, free will,
Speaker:these scientists that say
Speaker:free will doesn't exist,
Speaker:will pin that on your genes,
Speaker:your life circumstances,
Speaker:everything has a precursor event.
Speaker:But you,
Speaker:can be a precursor event in
Speaker:somebody else's life,
Speaker:not by teaching them,
Speaker:not by lecturing them,
Speaker:not by hammering your ideas,
Speaker:but by being the change
Speaker:that you want to see.
Speaker:So you improve your life
Speaker:Others will see that.
Speaker:You become an experience in their life.
Speaker:And then they say, well,
Speaker:maybe I shouldn't dismiss it so easily.
Speaker:Maybe I should try that myself.
Speaker:So therein lies to me the
Speaker:deepest spirituality in mind training,
Speaker:actually.
Speaker:It's all about self-empowerment.
Speaker:It's about the connection we
Speaker:have with each other and
Speaker:the kind of influence that
Speaker:we can have on others' lives.
Speaker:It's how we make the world a better place.
Speaker:I think that's...
Speaker:Such beautifully said.
Speaker:Thank you so much because
Speaker:that is the big capital T truth for me.
Speaker:And I've had that firsthand experience of,
Speaker:and I've led that life of like,
Speaker:be the change you want to
Speaker:see in the world rather than teach.
Speaker:I spent a lot of time
Speaker:teaching and my wife calls
Speaker:me the professor, right?
Speaker:She just wants to teach, teach, teach.
Speaker:And it took my own journey
Speaker:of transformation to then just transform
Speaker:there's a knowing in there.
Speaker:Like people will come up to
Speaker:me and they're like, you look different.
Speaker:You have this feel about you.
Speaker:There's something there.
Speaker:What's going on?
Speaker:And then it's like,
Speaker:then you can speak to the
Speaker:experience and the story.
Speaker:It's not the opposite.
Speaker:It's like, oh,
Speaker:you need to do this and this and this.
Speaker:It's part of that journey.
Speaker:And yes, if you help,
Speaker:this is why I love people
Speaker:like you that are doing great,
Speaker:good things in the world
Speaker:because we're here to help
Speaker:if we help ourselves,
Speaker:then that can help other people.
Speaker:And when we help other
Speaker:people through our own
Speaker:journeys in our own experiences,
Speaker:then the world becomes a
Speaker:better place automatically, right?
Speaker:There's no, there's, there's a,
Speaker:we talked about it earlier.
Speaker:And this, this is,
Speaker:this is part of things
Speaker:that's coming into my field
Speaker:lately is the ripple effect, right?
Speaker:This is how we get scalability in, in the,
Speaker:in the human empowerment
Speaker:world and getting people moving.
Speaker:So
Speaker:As we close up, Revinder,
Speaker:thank you so much for this.
Speaker:If the listeners could do
Speaker:just one thing out of this
Speaker:conversation today,
Speaker:what do you think that would be?
Speaker:If you could get them to do one thing,
Speaker:what would it be?
Speaker:Or want to know one thing,
Speaker:what would it be?
Speaker:That you have control over your own life.
Speaker:You are more powerful than
Speaker:you think you are.
Speaker:Your brain is incredibly powerful.
Speaker:The placebo effect is one of
Speaker:the best examples of our
Speaker:ability to heal ourselves.
Speaker:Why not learn techniques to
Speaker:enhance those natural
Speaker:abilities that we have?
Speaker:You are not a victim of your
Speaker:circumstances.
Speaker:You can create change.
Speaker:at any point in your life.
Speaker:You have that within you.
Speaker:Learn the techniques, put them in practice,
Speaker:and then allow that ripple
Speaker:effect to go out in the world.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:That was so awesome.
Speaker:I love nurturing the placebo effect.
Speaker:It's the best drug in the world, right?
Speaker:It's the cheapest and the
Speaker:most effective and the one
Speaker:that causes no harm.
Speaker:So thank you for that reminder.
Speaker:Ravinda,
Speaker:this has been a great conversation.
Speaker:Thank you so much for all you're doing.
Speaker:Go find that book, Mind Training,
Speaker:The Science of Self-Empowerment.
Speaker:You can find it on her website.
Speaker:Go Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:This has been such a treat,
Speaker:such a pleasure.
Speaker:And thank you for all you're
Speaker:doing in the world.
Speaker:Thanks, Josh.
Speaker:And thank you for the work you're doing.
Speaker:It's invaluable.
Speaker:all right guys thank you so
Speaker:much well received uh
Speaker:that's a wrap um until next
Speaker:time stay well
