#85: Tech, Trees & Transformation: Maestro Hamilton Souther on Psychedelics, AI, and the Future of Human Consciousness
What happens when ancient plant wisdom meets cutting-edge artificial intelligence?
In this visionary episode of Beyond The Pills, we sit down with Maestro Hamilton Souther—pioneer of the global plant medicine movement, founder of Blue Morpho, and a rare voice at the crossroads of mysticism and modern technology. Known for guiding thousands through transformative plant medicine journeys, Hamilton now explores how psychedelics, AI, and ancestral knowledge can work together to shape a more conscious and connected future.
Together, we dive into the ethics of ayahuasca, the science of expanded consciousness, and what it means to pursue true health—not just the absence of illness, but the presence of harmony between body, mind, community, and the planet itself.
This conversation challenges conventional paradigms of healing and invites you to reimagine what's possible when ancient tradition and future technology converge.
Inside the episode:
- How AI and plant medicine can co-create human flourishing
- The true meaning of health and innovation in the modern world
- Why ancestral knowledge must guide scientific advancement
- Ethical frameworks for psychedelic healing and consciousness exploration
- What it’s like to spend 14 days immersed in the Amazon jungle for spiritual and physical renewal
Step beyond the pills—and into the jungle.
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Transcript
Hello, hello,
Speaker:welcome to this episode of
Speaker:Beyond the Pills,
Speaker:where we uncover the
Speaker:essence of true healing at
Speaker:the intersection of ancient
Speaker:wisdom and modern science.
Speaker:I'm your host, Josh Rimini,
Speaker:pharmacist turned healer,
Speaker:and today's episode is
Speaker:especially meaningful to me.
Speaker:One year ago,
Speaker:my journey took a profound turn.
Speaker:deep in the jungles of the
Speaker:Amazon where I sat with
Speaker:ayahuasca under the
Speaker:guidance of Shabipo healers
Speaker:and that experience, humbling, expansive,
Speaker:sacred,
Speaker:really set me on my path to remembrance,
Speaker:reconnection, and surrender.
Speaker:It brought me face to face
Speaker:with the mother teacher,
Speaker:the master teacher plant,
Speaker:and redefined pretty much
Speaker:everything I thought I knew
Speaker:about healing.
Speaker:Today's guest, Hamilton Souther,
Speaker:is one of the most
Speaker:respected Western shamans in the world.
Speaker:He spent over a decade
Speaker:apprenticing with true maestros in Peru,
Speaker:and was ceremonially
Speaker:recognized as a master shaman.
Speaker:His work bridges indigenous
Speaker:plant medicine and modern consciousness,
Speaker:blending the mystical with the scientific,
Speaker:something that we really
Speaker:talk about a lot on this
Speaker:podcast in an approach that
Speaker:I call the AND approach,
Speaker:which I deeply resonate with.
Speaker:Maestro Hamilton's journey
Speaker:from spontaneous spiritual
Speaker:awakening to becoming a
Speaker:master shaman recognized by
Speaker:indigenous maestros is
Speaker:really a true testament to
Speaker:what I believe means to be
Speaker:truly answering the call.
Speaker:So, you know, throughout the years,
Speaker:he's dedicated this.
Speaker:He's been in the Amazon.
Speaker:He's been a bridge between both worlds.
Speaker:And I'm honored to have you
Speaker:here on our show.
Speaker:Welcome to the show, Maestro Hamilton.
Speaker:Thank you so much, Josh.
Speaker:It's a pleasure to be here
Speaker:today and really grateful
Speaker:for your work and what
Speaker:you're bringing into the world.
Speaker:Man, when I saw you pop on our calendar,
Speaker:I was like,
Speaker:I just can't wait to dive in because,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:my life journey has been about...
Speaker:finding my path in this
Speaker:healing world and moving
Speaker:all the way down the
Speaker:pathway of all the
Speaker:functional and all the
Speaker:science and all the modern day stuff,
Speaker:but then coming full circle
Speaker:and learning this path of
Speaker:ancient wisdom and indigenous faith.
Speaker:And so I want to start there because
Speaker:the true path of an
Speaker:apprenticeship and the
Speaker:lineage that you went through.
Speaker:Um, and you were trained, uh, by some,
Speaker:I just want you to talk a
Speaker:little bit about that, you know,
Speaker:getting into your story of like,
Speaker:how the heck did you find
Speaker:yourself in the jungle of
Speaker:the Amazon and stay there for a decade,
Speaker:you know?
Speaker:And I want to, I want to understand,
Speaker:I want people to understand
Speaker:what it takes too.
Speaker:So I want to bring that in there,
Speaker:but let's talk a little bit
Speaker:about your story and,
Speaker:Man, I'm really excited to have you on us.
Speaker:So thank you.
Speaker:Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker:My story starts back in America.
Speaker:I grew up in Silicon Valley
Speaker:to a Western medical family.
Speaker:My father was a plastic
Speaker:surgeon and my mother a nurse.
Speaker:And I studied anthropology in college.
Speaker:I went to the University of Colorado.
Speaker:Looks like you're frozen.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So, you know,
Speaker:let's start from the beginning.
Speaker:Let's start from your story,
Speaker:like where you got to where you're at.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:my story starts back in the United
Speaker:States and I grew up in
Speaker:Silicon Valley and my
Speaker:father was a plastic surgeon, my mother,
Speaker:a nurse.
Speaker:And so I came from a Western
Speaker:scientific family and I
Speaker:went to the University of
Speaker:Colorado at Boulder and
Speaker:studied anthropology there
Speaker:and was really interested
Speaker:in paleoanthropology as
Speaker:well as cultural anthropology, both.
Speaker:And then a year after I
Speaker:graduated in two thousand and one.
Speaker:I had an awakening and I now
Speaker:know that these kinds of
Speaker:spiritual awakenings are
Speaker:actually much more common,
Speaker:but at the time it wasn't
Speaker:really talked about.
Speaker:So it was a,
Speaker:really a powerful series of
Speaker:experiences where I started
Speaker:to feel deeply connected to
Speaker:the world and everything
Speaker:around me and also guided
Speaker:in that experience.
Speaker:And it was clear that I
Speaker:needed to go deeper into
Speaker:the indigenous arts,
Speaker:healing arts and mystical arts.
Speaker:And so I was guided to Peru
Speaker:in two thousand and one.
Speaker:and ultimately into the Amazon,
Speaker:where I participated in my
Speaker:first ayahuasca ceremonies
Speaker:and also met the teachers
Speaker:that would ultimately take
Speaker:me in a couple of years
Speaker:later and start to train me
Speaker:in apprenticeship.
Speaker:Talk a little bit about the
Speaker:calling because it sounded
Speaker:to me like and I've read
Speaker:I've heard some podcasts
Speaker:that you've been on and
Speaker:it's like it was pretty
Speaker:clear like it wasn't like
Speaker:this vague like poofs that I call them.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It was it was pretty clear
Speaker:like you were going to Peru
Speaker:and you were going to do this thing.
Speaker:So talk to people a little bit about that,
Speaker:because I think that.
Speaker:That's the essence of where it starts,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:The calling,
Speaker:the thing that brings you to that space.
Speaker:In my case, the calling was very clear.
Speaker:It was very guided and directed.
Speaker:I was also coming from a
Speaker:scientific mind and demanded proof.
Speaker:I didn't have a spiritual
Speaker:mindset or mythological
Speaker:mindset to relate to what was occurring.
Speaker:And so to me,
Speaker:proof was facts that were
Speaker:provable over and over again.
Speaker:And so I demanded that from
Speaker:this kind of visionary
Speaker:world and meditative world
Speaker:I was entering into that
Speaker:was new for me and I was a novice in.
Speaker:And
Speaker:the messages were just very
Speaker:clear and there was a
Speaker:continuous series of
Speaker:synchronicities where it
Speaker:just felt like everything was lining up.
Speaker:And so in deep in a meditation,
Speaker:I received clear guidance.
Speaker:It's way more than a hunch.
Speaker:It's like,
Speaker:you're just told exactly from
Speaker:inside your own mind what
Speaker:you have to do and where you have to go.
Speaker:And I was told I was gonna
Speaker:go to Peru and in ninety
Speaker:days I would find an
Speaker:apprenticeship and that
Speaker:people had been there
Speaker:that knew of me from their
Speaker:own visions and that they
Speaker:would be waiting for me.
Speaker:And you found that.
Speaker:I did.
Speaker:It took a little over seventy days.
Speaker:It was right within the ninety days.
Speaker:And there were a number of
Speaker:really incredible mystical
Speaker:experiences along the way
Speaker:that were guideposts that I
Speaker:was on the right path.
Speaker:But I was also told in the
Speaker:meditation when I asked, like,
Speaker:how does somebody do this?
Speaker:I don't know anyone in Peru.
Speaker:I don't know how to navigate the country.
Speaker:I thought it was just not
Speaker:gonna work out and maybe
Speaker:I'd write like a travel
Speaker:book about it or something.
Speaker:But actually it turned out
Speaker:just like I had seen and
Speaker:was told in the meditations
Speaker:and in the visions and I
Speaker:just followed them along
Speaker:and I just backpacked my
Speaker:way through the country.
Speaker:And surprisingly,
Speaker:I realized afterwards that two weeks in,
Speaker:I did my first San Pedro
Speaker:ceremony in the Andes,
Speaker:just outside of Cusco.
Speaker:And I had a clear vision
Speaker:where I flew on a Pegasus
Speaker:And the Pegasus took me down into Bolivia,
Speaker:back into Peru, along the coast,
Speaker:and then ultimately into the Amazon.
Speaker:And the vision ended in a sunset.
Speaker:And, um,
Speaker:after the journey on the way there,
Speaker:it turned out that that was
Speaker:the exact land route I had taken.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:to ultimately find my apprenticeship.
Speaker:And I kept seeing in a guidebook,
Speaker:this is like right on the
Speaker:verge of the internet being
Speaker:used for travel,
Speaker:so I was still using a guidebook.
Speaker:And there was a name of a
Speaker:guide in it that I just
Speaker:kept feeling like I had to
Speaker:meet that person.
Speaker:And it turned out that in
Speaker:the entire city of Iquitos
Speaker:of about five hundred thousand people,
Speaker:he was the only guide that
Speaker:guided up the river where the maestro was,
Speaker:Maestro Julio Jarena Pinedo,
Speaker:who was the one who had
Speaker:seen me in vision.
Speaker:So it was actually pretty
Speaker:easy to find them because
Speaker:there was only one person
Speaker:that could take me there.
Speaker:And I was guided to that person.
Speaker:And so, um, you know, in, in, uh,
Speaker:October of,
Speaker:was that first journey up that
Speaker:tiny tributary of the
Speaker:Amazon into a very remote
Speaker:area where I got to sit with ayahuasca.
Speaker:And in that first ayahuasca ceremony,
Speaker:I also received very clear
Speaker:direction that I was
Speaker:supposed to stay there and live.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:And you answered the call, right?
Speaker:You answered that call.
Speaker:You were so deep into it.
Speaker:I love how you're talking with like,
Speaker:know my summer led me down
Speaker:this path that I had no
Speaker:idea I was going to lead I
Speaker:just answered the things
Speaker:that were resonant to me
Speaker:it's kind of like my mini
Speaker:surrender experiment of
Speaker:life of wholeness and I
Speaker:love where you're saying
Speaker:like the breadcrumbs drop
Speaker:the synchronicities just
Speaker:start falling into place
Speaker:when you're in alignment
Speaker:when you're in that
Speaker:you're answering the calling
Speaker:and the calling is where
Speaker:you're supposed to be where
Speaker:the universe or god or
Speaker:spirit you know I call it
Speaker:gus now god universe spirit
Speaker:um aligns with you you're
Speaker:in alignment and you're
Speaker:there and you you stayed
Speaker:you how how long did you
Speaker:stay like what was this
Speaker:experience like like
Speaker:finding an apprentice because
Speaker:it was also like co-created
Speaker:right they saw you in their
Speaker:visions this westernized
Speaker:dude coming out of the
Speaker:jungle like learning from
Speaker:these this lineage of of
Speaker:I'm very very in tune with
Speaker:like keeping this stuff
Speaker:sacred and I want to talk
Speaker:about that but like this is
Speaker:this is the new stage right
Speaker:like someone coming in from
Speaker:the outside to learn and
Speaker:become this apprentice talk
Speaker:to us a little bit about your experience
Speaker:First was accepting that
Speaker:God-universe spirit and
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:we in our own intelligence can
Speaker:try to navigate our lives.
Speaker:And then some of us at some
Speaker:point realized that there's
Speaker:a greater pervasive
Speaker:intelligence and we try to
Speaker:tap into it and listen to
Speaker:it and have it affect our
Speaker:choices and decisions that we make.
Speaker:And at that time in my life,
Speaker:I was looking for direction and guidance.
Speaker:And so I really wanted God, universe,
Speaker:spirit,
Speaker:Gus to help me like a great GPS for life,
Speaker:like help me figure out how
Speaker:to navigate this.
Speaker:And so I turned a lot of my
Speaker:personal will over to that,
Speaker:and I did a lot of listening.
Speaker:And in that co-creation,
Speaker:I was told first that I had
Speaker:to learn how to live there in the Amazon,
Speaker:which was beyond the notion of off-grid.
Speaker:There was only a small
Speaker:tributary and a footpath,
Speaker:and the rest were game
Speaker:trails that went through the forest.
Speaker:And that was it,
Speaker:upriver from where I ended up living.
Speaker:There were no permanent inhabitants.
Speaker:It was just virgin forest on
Speaker:the way to the Brazilian border.
Speaker:And so first I had to learn
Speaker:how to just live in the jungle.
Speaker:That was what I was told and
Speaker:live off the land.
Speaker:And so I did that and proved
Speaker:my ability to live amongst
Speaker:the small community of
Speaker:people that were there that
Speaker:Julio was part of.
Speaker:And through that process,
Speaker:I also was able to do a
Speaker:little of the anthropology
Speaker:that I had studied,
Speaker:which was learn how to gain
Speaker:respect from the locals and
Speaker:absorb their culture and
Speaker:become part of it and be
Speaker:invited into their culture and accepted.
Speaker:And that was really about
Speaker:relationship building.
Speaker:so par was learning how to
Speaker:live in the nature and then
Speaker:also how to relationship
Speaker:build and kept you know
Speaker:listening to the calling
Speaker:that just said you have to
Speaker:stay here and so finally
Speaker:after a year and three
Speaker:quarters julio accepted me
Speaker:into apprenticeship it was
Speaker:taboo so they were breaking
Speaker:a big cultural norm to
Speaker:allow a foreigner and a
Speaker:westerner in not just to
Speaker:participate in ceremony but
Speaker:to actually be an
Speaker:apprentice and learn and um
Speaker:So we went through that
Speaker:process together and then I
Speaker:was taken into apprenticeship.
Speaker:It's very formal.
Speaker:And I lived there in the
Speaker:forest out in that location
Speaker:for four and a half years.
Speaker:And that's where I think
Speaker:putting awareness to this, right?
Speaker:When I chose, when Ayahuasca called me,
Speaker:it was calling me for years,
Speaker:and I just didn't hear it enough to go.
Speaker:And then I chose,
Speaker:and I've been an advocate
Speaker:of plant medicines for a long time,
Speaker:and I've known a lot of
Speaker:people in the space.
Speaker:But as soon as I made that decision, like,
Speaker:all right, I'm going to do it.
Speaker:I know I need to go to Peru.
Speaker:I know I need to go into the
Speaker:Amazon and I know I need to
Speaker:learn and experience this from this,
Speaker:this path that's been done
Speaker:for thousands of years.
Speaker:Like it was so clear,
Speaker:like I wasn't going to do
Speaker:it any other way.
Speaker:But as soon as I asked that
Speaker:question and the medicine
Speaker:started where the medicine was calling,
Speaker:right.
Speaker:It was like one of those things.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden
Speaker:within three weeks, two weeks,
Speaker:the place that I was
Speaker:supposed to go to in Peru
Speaker:found me in three different places,
Speaker:random occurrences.
Speaker:Like my neighbor's like,
Speaker:you got to meet this guy.
Speaker:He's like kind of into plant medicines.
Speaker:He's in our men's group.
Speaker:You should talk to him.
Speaker:And then another thing happened.
Speaker:And then the person that was guiding me,
Speaker:integrating me and like
Speaker:really preparing me
Speaker:I was like,
Speaker:I want to go to Peru and I want
Speaker:to do this.
Speaker:And this is the way I want to do it.
Speaker:I want to do it with the
Speaker:healers that have been learned.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden she's like,
Speaker:I was going to tell you
Speaker:that you're going to go to
Speaker:you should you should check
Speaker:this place out.
Speaker:And I was like, well,
Speaker:that's the place that's calling me.
Speaker:And so I knew I knew exactly
Speaker:where I needed to go,
Speaker:even though I had no idea what to do.
Speaker:And it just led me down that path.
Speaker:So I love this story because
Speaker:it's just builds like
Speaker:you're supposed to be there.
Speaker:It worked out and you did it
Speaker:the way you honored that tradition.
Speaker:It wasn't like you're
Speaker:showing up Western guy
Speaker:coming in and go and teach
Speaker:me all this stuff.
Speaker:It was like, no, I'm,
Speaker:I'm really sacredly holding
Speaker:this as the truth of where
Speaker:you need to be.
Speaker:And I love how that,
Speaker:that all kind of fell into
Speaker:place because I,
Speaker:I think the word shaman is
Speaker:thrown out there a lot now
Speaker:in this day and age in our world.
Speaker:And I think it's used a
Speaker:little bit way too loosely.
Speaker:And so I love that you use
Speaker:this as like you're
Speaker:honoring that sacred space
Speaker:and you move through it.
Speaker:And it's a big deal, right?
Speaker:I learned through the
Speaker:shamans that there was four
Speaker:Shebibo healers where I was
Speaker:and the beauty of it all.
Speaker:But learning that it is a calling,
Speaker:it is pretty formal,
Speaker:and it's a big deal to put
Speaker:your life through that
Speaker:whole process because it really is,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:It's your whole life.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:It's a twenty four hour a
Speaker:day process once you're accepted.
Speaker:And there's no out.
Speaker:There's only through the
Speaker:experience itself.
Speaker:And it's a great test of
Speaker:your virtue and your merit.
Speaker:and also your capacities and
Speaker:your abilities.
Speaker:I think that right now,
Speaker:the concept of shaman is
Speaker:being guided to a kind of
Speaker:spiritual perspective.
Speaker:But out in the jungle,
Speaker:it's not isolated only to a
Speaker:spiritual perspective.
Speaker:It's about concrete,
Speaker:repeatable outcomes as a
Speaker:servant of your society and
Speaker:your collective.
Speaker:And so it's part healer,
Speaker:it's part spirituality,
Speaker:and it's also part doctor.
Speaker:And so you have to be able
Speaker:to learn all those different capacities,
Speaker:including how to diagnose
Speaker:illness correctly and know
Speaker:what kinds of plants to use
Speaker:to support somebody in
Speaker:their healing process.
Speaker:and also to know when that's
Speaker:something not for you to heal.
Speaker:And so it's a tremendous
Speaker:learning experience.
Speaker:Many fail in it.
Speaker:They just can't make it through it.
Speaker:And for most people,
Speaker:it takes between five and
Speaker:ten years to go from
Speaker:apprentice to maestro if
Speaker:they can make it through it.
Speaker:And it is, as I said,
Speaker:twenty four hours a day and continuous.
Speaker:You'll go through anywhere
Speaker:from typically three
Speaker:hundred to five hundred
Speaker:ayahuasca ceremonies during that time,
Speaker:maybe even up to a thousand.
Speaker:And you'll also participate
Speaker:in these long fasts that
Speaker:are called dietas.
Speaker:And you'll do that for six
Speaker:to eight months out of a year.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:I was I've been I've been diving in
Speaker:and learning more about it
Speaker:and just having that.
Speaker:reverence for the process
Speaker:like it's it is a big deal
Speaker:like I think our western
Speaker:world west world brains go
Speaker:into like I'm just going to
Speaker:go to school for four years
Speaker:and do a residency and then
Speaker:go in and get a job and
Speaker:work for forty hours and
Speaker:it's like it's it is it's
Speaker:twenty four seven it's a
Speaker:big deal and so I honor
Speaker:that and I I thank you for
Speaker:for just sharing that experience
Speaker:Because I think in this modern day,
Speaker:psychedelics and plant
Speaker:medicines and healing,
Speaker:it's really becoming,
Speaker:there's this modernization to it, right?
Speaker:And there's a lot of abuse
Speaker:in this space now.
Speaker:I know a lot of people that
Speaker:have been closely tied to
Speaker:even at the highest level of
Speaker:like maps and everything
Speaker:else it's like getting
Speaker:brainwashed and doing all
Speaker:these crazy things and it's
Speaker:like for me it's ethics and
Speaker:intention when it comes to
Speaker:energy and so I love the
Speaker:fact that we can talk about
Speaker:this and bring awareness to
Speaker:people because all the time
Speaker:I'm talking to people like
Speaker:oh where do I go to get get
Speaker:the ayahuasca and I'm like
Speaker:no it's not like that
Speaker:We have to use these plant
Speaker:medicines as protecting
Speaker:that sanctity of that.
Speaker:And we're in...
Speaker:modern science we're in the modern day,
Speaker:you know, we're,
Speaker:we're fusing these things
Speaker:together now and,
Speaker:and moving out of this duality.
Speaker:Cause I don't, I don't, and I think,
Speaker:talk to me a little bit about like,
Speaker:you got accepted in you,
Speaker:they broke code a little bit,
Speaker:but you know,
Speaker:I've studied energy medicine
Speaker:in different ways with post
Speaker:tribal shamans and shamans,
Speaker:and I'm learning more.
Speaker:I'm just learning, I'm absorbing all this,
Speaker:bringing it into the fold and,
Speaker:We're in this modern day.
Speaker:So talk to us about how
Speaker:you're evolving this into
Speaker:this fusion of this modern day world.
Speaker:I think first it starts from
Speaker:your perspective that you want to take.
Speaker:What's the great
Speaker:philosophical umbrella you
Speaker:want to put over the nature
Speaker:of the plants?
Speaker:I think if we come from a respectful place,
Speaker:like the one you're describing,
Speaker:you realize that our
Speaker:ancestors from all over the
Speaker:world have worked with
Speaker:indigenous medicines for
Speaker:tens of thousands of years.
Speaker:And it's a well-trodden path.
Speaker:Western medicine is actually
Speaker:the new kid in the neighborhood.
Speaker:And we must respect these
Speaker:forms of medicine that have
Speaker:existed for a very long period of time.
Speaker:And part of it is the
Speaker:willingness of the
Speaker:indigenous people to share
Speaker:their knowledge with others,
Speaker:with outsiders.
Speaker:And that's also a very new
Speaker:thing that's happening.
Speaker:And when we come from that
Speaker:perspective of respect,
Speaker:we realize that the
Speaker:traditions and the healing
Speaker:paths that have been
Speaker:well-trodden work with the
Speaker:indigenous medicines like
Speaker:ayahuasca in a very particular way.
Speaker:And there's a reason for that.
Speaker:It's not just a ceremonial
Speaker:advent added on to people
Speaker:consuming drugs.
Speaker:And that's a very Western mindset to take.
Speaker:In the Amazon,
Speaker:there is not a Western drug
Speaker:culture around the use of these plants.
Speaker:They're considered sacred medicines,
Speaker:and they're used in a
Speaker:sacred form of
Speaker:administration and
Speaker:prescription by maestros
Speaker:who have learned the arts
Speaker:and wield them with tremendous precision.
Speaker:And I think the moment you
Speaker:step outside of that,
Speaker:you've branched off a family tree.
Speaker:You've created a new branch.
Speaker:Call it the psychedelic renaissance.
Speaker:Call it new compounds.
Speaker:Call it the clinicalization
Speaker:of medicinal plants where
Speaker:you remove the ceremonial
Speaker:context and the spiritual context of it.
Speaker:You've created something very new.
Speaker:And I think that there's a
Speaker:way to respectfully and
Speaker:honorably go down that new
Speaker:path and allow for that path to exist.
Speaker:but also not have it
Speaker:circumvent or take over the
Speaker:fact that there already is
Speaker:an inherent ancestral path
Speaker:that is very well known and
Speaker:deeply respected,
Speaker:and that should always
Speaker:exist and always be practiced.
Speaker:It needs to be supported and preserved,
Speaker:and it has real reason behind it.
Speaker:So I think if we can do that,
Speaker:there's an opportunity for
Speaker:us to now bring our science to it,
Speaker:find a way to bring a common language
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:built in data and repeatability
Speaker:about what's taking place
Speaker:so that there can be a common mind share,
Speaker:which is the beauty of science,
Speaker:the ability to create a
Speaker:common mind share around an
Speaker:understanding and still
Speaker:deeply respect the
Speaker:ancestral lineages and keep
Speaker:them going by bringing
Speaker:apprentices into them,
Speaker:training people in those
Speaker:arts and continuing to
Speaker:perform the medicine in the
Speaker:way that it's been
Speaker:performed for tens of thousands of years.
Speaker:Man,
Speaker:that deeply resonates with me for sure,
Speaker:because I've felt this need
Speaker:to really help in the space
Speaker:of preserving this,
Speaker:but also this is where
Speaker:we're getting introduced into this,
Speaker:into our world,
Speaker:but it's a very different language.
Speaker:And what I...
Speaker:the magic that I experienced
Speaker:when I was witnessing and
Speaker:coming out of some of the
Speaker:ayahuasca experiences was
Speaker:watching the maestros in
Speaker:both worlds in such as
Speaker:beautiful harmony where
Speaker:like they're in it.
Speaker:And I'm watching them in, in the, in the,
Speaker:in the ceremony and, and, and doing their,
Speaker:their songs and their
Speaker:beautiful Iki roast and
Speaker:moving this through.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden they're like,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:they're just hanging out and they
Speaker:know they're just like laughing about it.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:there's this sort of like
Speaker:beautiful harmony and
Speaker:symphony around having a
Speaker:foot in both worlds and
Speaker:just having this magical
Speaker:thought about how beautiful
Speaker:that is and how difficult
Speaker:it is to make it so
Speaker:seamless and beautiful.
Speaker:So for me, it was, that's where the magic
Speaker:magic is that's it's like
Speaker:they said it so eloquently
Speaker:like it's it's a way and
Speaker:manner in which to use
Speaker:these tools with precision
Speaker:or the the medicine and the
Speaker:maestro and the person are
Speaker:all in this harmonic space
Speaker:for true healing for that
Speaker:container and experiencing
Speaker:that was was just so
Speaker:beautiful for me and so
Speaker:thank you for like sharing
Speaker:that like side of it and
Speaker:here you are at blue morpho
Speaker:You have this place and
Speaker:you're creating that container.
Speaker:You've created that container.
Speaker:Thousands of people have run
Speaker:through this process with you, right,
Speaker:at this point.
Speaker:And you're doing the
Speaker:modernization side alongside with it.
Speaker:So you're preserving it, right?
Speaker:But you're also bringing in
Speaker:the tools that are allowing
Speaker:us to use that in new ways.
Speaker:And you have something
Speaker:called the digital ceremonies.
Speaker:Is that right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Let's talk a little bit
Speaker:about the modernization and
Speaker:some of the things outside
Speaker:of the plants that you're doing.
Speaker:Because I think this is
Speaker:where I think a lot of
Speaker:things are clicking for
Speaker:people these days.
Speaker:I think the first thing I
Speaker:would like to share with
Speaker:people and that you can
Speaker:really feel into is the
Speaker:evolution that takes place over time.
Speaker:So yes,
Speaker:there are these tremendous lineages
Speaker:over thousands of years
Speaker:that have also been
Speaker:evolving and growing on their own.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:And so a lineage is not a static thing.
Speaker:It gets handed down
Speaker:generation after generation.
Speaker:It evolves.
Speaker:And when there are
Speaker:innovators and visionaries
Speaker:inside those lineages,
Speaker:they help the lineage grow as well.
Speaker:And our lineage was very
Speaker:open to the idea of
Speaker:continued evolution and growth.
Speaker:Just like we want you to grow personally,
Speaker:we wanted everything that
Speaker:we're doing to also grow.
Speaker:And part of that growth
Speaker:started in really
Speaker:reinvigorating the interest
Speaker:in these practices by the
Speaker:local communities.
Speaker:What a lot of people don't
Speaker:know is that by the time I
Speaker:came here in the early two thousands,
Speaker:there was less interest in
Speaker:the traditional healing
Speaker:arts and there was more
Speaker:interest in MP three players, earbuds,
Speaker:cold drinks, loud music,
Speaker:that kind of stuff starting
Speaker:to infiltrate the culture.
Speaker:And so by having this
Speaker:cultural merge take place,
Speaker:it reinvigorated the
Speaker:interest and the importance
Speaker:for the locals in their own
Speaker:medicine and for the
Speaker:indigenous in their own medicine.
Speaker:And it ultimately created
Speaker:what's called the
Speaker:neo-shamanic revolution.
Speaker:And that became a big part
Speaker:of what's now the
Speaker:psychedelic renaissance.
Speaker:And so I think first is to
Speaker:understand that these changes are needed.
Speaker:The cultures need to
Speaker:continue to be invigorated and to evolve.
Speaker:And specifically in our case,
Speaker:I was always connected with
Speaker:the scientific world and
Speaker:also always connected back
Speaker:with the technological world.
Speaker:And so we were one of the
Speaker:first plant medicine centers,
Speaker:but we were also one of the
Speaker:first to be online,
Speaker:one of the first to start streaming,
Speaker:one of the first to
Speaker:know manage the way that we
Speaker:ran our center online and
Speaker:interact with the world
Speaker:that way and so we had
Speaker:guests over the years that
Speaker:came from web one web two
Speaker:web three and now ai and so
Speaker:I got to go on that journey
Speaker:with them and I had to translate
Speaker:these indigenous cultures
Speaker:and the medicine to them in
Speaker:language they could understand.
Speaker:And they also were able to
Speaker:share with me new language
Speaker:in and around the
Speaker:technology that helped
Speaker:inform me on similarities
Speaker:in the nature of what we
Speaker:would find inside the
Speaker:visionary experiences.
Speaker:And ultimately it led
Speaker:to understanding more about
Speaker:how we can use digital interfaces,
Speaker:streaming to be able to share ceremonies.
Speaker:We did extensive research
Speaker:and practice on that with
Speaker:people that we knew knew
Speaker:how to hold their own
Speaker:ceremonial space so that we
Speaker:could start to see how we
Speaker:could hold a collective
Speaker:space through online streaming events.
Speaker:And then we took it all the
Speaker:way into a web three lab
Speaker:that I co-founded and an AI
Speaker:lab that I've co-founded.
Speaker:So we've gone fully from the
Speaker:indigenous healing arts and
Speaker:the medicine now to the
Speaker:forefront of the innovation
Speaker:and technology,
Speaker:all of it being informed by
Speaker:the visionary experiences
Speaker:and ultimately for the
Speaker:desire to create tooling that brings,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:positive tooling for humanity
Speaker:and better uses of these
Speaker:tools that continue to
Speaker:promote our growth and well-being,
Speaker:our evolution and our healing.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think just holding that is
Speaker:just so important.
Speaker:The word evolution has been
Speaker:a part of my evolution.
Speaker:It's not change.
Speaker:It's things evolve with or without us.
Speaker:The world,
Speaker:the universe will evolve in this lineage,
Speaker:this way and manner in
Speaker:which we're introducing it into
Speaker:the modern day world and holding that.
Speaker:So like that word evolution
Speaker:just is such a powerful
Speaker:vision for me is because
Speaker:you help them invigorate that.
Speaker:Because I got that same sense in, in,
Speaker:in IKITOS when I was there
Speaker:this summer was like,
Speaker:I asked those questions.
Speaker:I'm like,
Speaker:like what's going on with
Speaker:the shamans and they're
Speaker:saying the same thing is
Speaker:like the modern world's
Speaker:catching up the kids aren't
Speaker:interested in this anymore
Speaker:you know it's becoming
Speaker:harder and harder to create
Speaker:the the the sanctity of
Speaker:that without the western
Speaker:people coming in and and
Speaker:being really curious about
Speaker:that so I think it's it's a
Speaker:beautiful to hear that
Speaker:story for you which is you
Speaker:you help them and they help
Speaker:you and it was this a beautiful like
Speaker:non-duality thing was like
Speaker:you're not coming in to
Speaker:just go blast it out into
Speaker:the world you're like it
Speaker:was this beautiful harmony
Speaker:of how that came through
Speaker:and it's very resonant in
Speaker:what you're saying so thank
Speaker:you for that where do you
Speaker:think this is going you
Speaker:said neo-shamanism which is
Speaker:now in the plant medicine
Speaker:psychedelic renaissance
Speaker:that we're in how do we hold
Speaker:the the ancient wisdom in
Speaker:all of this as we're moving
Speaker:forward how do you see
Speaker:moving forward because this
Speaker:is where this is where I'm
Speaker:seeing like the dark side
Speaker:of it the shadows I'm
Speaker:seeing like really awesome
Speaker:people doing really cool
Speaker:stuff and it's just kind of
Speaker:getting in this space of
Speaker:like what nobody really
Speaker:knows what's going on but
Speaker:I'm I'm curious on your thoughts on that
Speaker:First of all,
Speaker:I think it's a great question
Speaker:and very difficult to
Speaker:answer with clarity and precision,
Speaker:but we can vision into it a little bit.
Speaker:And what I've been seeing
Speaker:over the last twenty years
Speaker:is that the unifier in the
Speaker:collective human experience
Speaker:is the continued evolution
Speaker:of the human mind.
Speaker:And the human mind has been
Speaker:used to create our science
Speaker:and to understand the facts
Speaker:about the universe in deeper ways.
Speaker:And it's also been used to
Speaker:really reinvigorate the
Speaker:nature of plant medicine
Speaker:and these cultures that
Speaker:we've been talking about.
Speaker:And it's also the collective
Speaker:human innovation sphere,
Speaker:the continuous innovation
Speaker:that humans are bringing
Speaker:into human technology are
Speaker:all happening at the same time.
Speaker:And I see a great
Speaker:convergence is taking place.
Speaker:And it's really leading to a
Speaker:unifier in the big word of
Speaker:what we call consciousness.
Speaker:But for those that have had
Speaker:these experiences,
Speaker:let's just say it's all
Speaker:that stuff you see when
Speaker:you're in ceremony.
Speaker:It's just all of it is part
Speaker:of this great umbrella,
Speaker:big word we call consciousness.
Speaker:And so...
Speaker:while this is occurring
Speaker:we're finding out that
Speaker:there's a tremendous amount
Speaker:of plant medicine use and
Speaker:psychedelic use inside the
Speaker:innovative communities the
Speaker:technologists communities
Speaker:the ai communities
Speaker:younger generations and so
Speaker:there's already an
Speaker:influence that's taking
Speaker:place and from an
Speaker:anthropological perspective
Speaker:it's very interesting to
Speaker:think about how plant
Speaker:species are affecting the
Speaker:human species right so it's
Speaker:intercultural but it's also
Speaker:interspecies interaction
Speaker:that's taking place and uh
Speaker:So that influence is taking
Speaker:place in a way that is
Speaker:commingling and also
Speaker:co-creating what's coming forward.
Speaker:And when I look at it from
Speaker:that perspective,
Speaker:I see that the two greatest
Speaker:influences right now on
Speaker:both our mind and our
Speaker:culture is what we're
Speaker:seeing in the psychedelic Renaissance.
Speaker:People have a psychedelic
Speaker:experience and immediately
Speaker:afterwards have been
Speaker:introduced to a series of
Speaker:perceptions that weren't there before.
Speaker:And so it is like a true
Speaker:zero to one moment for them.
Speaker:And that's a great awakening
Speaker:to understand that these
Speaker:other experiences,
Speaker:these other forms of perception exist.
Speaker:And at the same time,
Speaker:we're seeing that the other
Speaker:great influence on our mind
Speaker:is our interaction with technology.
Speaker:And so we're seeing how
Speaker:people interacting in the
Speaker:millions continuously with
Speaker:artificial intelligence
Speaker:systems are being informed
Speaker:by those systems.
Speaker:as if the output of those
Speaker:systems is real and people
Speaker:immediately taking that in
Speaker:and having it inform their
Speaker:understanding choices and creativity.
Speaker:And it's also already a
Speaker:great evolver and pressure
Speaker:on the collective mind.
Speaker:And so the two of those
Speaker:coming together in the technology sphere,
Speaker:I think, is
Speaker:where we're going to see the
Speaker:greatest expansion and
Speaker:where all of this is heading.
Speaker:And we'll hear about it in
Speaker:the futuristic statements
Speaker:of the leaders of the great
Speaker:AI companies of different
Speaker:foundation models like ChatGPT or Claude,
Speaker:Perplexity, et cetera,
Speaker:that are saying that this
Speaker:is leading to a form of
Speaker:super intelligence.
Speaker:And so it's already being
Speaker:influenced by other species.
Speaker:It's being influenced in the
Speaker:shared common mind and it's
Speaker:being influenced in the
Speaker:information technology.
Speaker:And it's already being used
Speaker:to inform drug discovery
Speaker:and scientific exploration.
Speaker:And so a huge
Speaker:cross-culturalization is taking place.
Speaker:And I think super
Speaker:intelligence is just over the horizon.
Speaker:That's beautifully said, you know,
Speaker:that word collective keeps
Speaker:coming in for me too.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It's like, it's not, so it's, it's,
Speaker:and it's really like you said,
Speaker:it's like when these are tools, right?
Speaker:This tool is a master tool is ayahuasca.
Speaker:Like it's this mother
Speaker:teacher and we have all
Speaker:these other tools like
Speaker:meditation and breath work
Speaker:where we're building, um,
Speaker:this you know I think ai is
Speaker:in in yes it's forming its
Speaker:own consciousness in a
Speaker:different kind of way and
Speaker:how these two things are
Speaker:coming in like the plants
Speaker:that have been here for
Speaker:thousands of years way
Speaker:before us and how that interplay just
Speaker:how it interacts with us in
Speaker:these beautiful ways to awaken us,
Speaker:to open our consciousness,
Speaker:because you and I are big
Speaker:consciousness explorers.
Speaker:This is why we're in it, right?
Speaker:And we're moving ourselves,
Speaker:but also humanity, into this new block,
Speaker:if you will,
Speaker:where we're all coming together.
Speaker:The parts are the whole,
Speaker:and this non-duality is...
Speaker:is is fusing into this and
Speaker:this is why I love talking
Speaker:to people like you who are
Speaker:in it who have been in it
Speaker:for longer than I can even
Speaker:remember and we're at that
Speaker:golden age I think we're at
Speaker:that golden time where I I
Speaker:think there's so much
Speaker:people going doom and gloom
Speaker:and and for me it's it's
Speaker:the opposite I feel like
Speaker:we're at this beautiful
Speaker:state where people are
Speaker:awakening they're these
Speaker:they're using these tools
Speaker:and yes that goes from zero to
Speaker:holy moly, like it took me, you know,
Speaker:forty nine years up until
Speaker:now to get to that space
Speaker:where I was truly
Speaker:interacting with something bigger.
Speaker:And it wasn't a thought.
Speaker:It wasn't dogma.
Speaker:It wasn't like the religious
Speaker:guy in the sky.
Speaker:Like it was totally real,
Speaker:realer than I've ever felt
Speaker:and that we can interact in this way.
Speaker:And I think our West brain,
Speaker:our Westworld brains, the the left side,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:where we have to hear it analytically,
Speaker:like
Speaker:And I love the beauty around
Speaker:the component of like when you talk to,
Speaker:I don't know,
Speaker:the shamans and the villages, it's like,
Speaker:when we're talking quantum
Speaker:physics and like the
Speaker:multidimensional realities
Speaker:and like building it all in this model,
Speaker:like it's just like happening.
Speaker:And it's like, nah,
Speaker:we've been waiting for you guys.
Speaker:It's been here forever.
Speaker:You know, we we've known this forever.
Speaker:So it's kind of fun to play
Speaker:on both sides and then realize that like,
Speaker:it is coming together right
Speaker:in this beautiful harmony where like,
Speaker:I call it divine timing, right?
Speaker:The divine timing of this
Speaker:thing is moving in this
Speaker:direction and the evolution, right?
Speaker:This isn't like, oh,
Speaker:we found plants again and
Speaker:it's a renaissance and
Speaker:we're bringing it back into
Speaker:the studying and all that stuff.
Speaker:It's like, no, AI, like you said, is...
Speaker:so like how is it it's all
Speaker:interplaying in this crazy
Speaker:world that's happening
Speaker:really quickly and fun but
Speaker:it is it's fun it's a
Speaker:playground right it's kind
Speaker:of like we get to
Speaker:experience that journey
Speaker:together um I love I love that so
Speaker:Are you bridging some of that?
Speaker:You said you started the AI tools.
Speaker:I'm real curious on the
Speaker:modernization side.
Speaker:What are you doing with your
Speaker:journeys and blending this
Speaker:with frequency medicine or
Speaker:any of these kind of things
Speaker:that are kind of in the
Speaker:modern twist of it all?
Speaker:Because you can get there
Speaker:from different ways,
Speaker:I guess is what we're saying, right?
Speaker:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker:A great starting point,
Speaker:and I'd love us to feel into it,
Speaker:is the idea of feeling safe.
Speaker:And right now,
Speaker:there's a great feeling of
Speaker:feeling scared.
Speaker:And it's about great unknowns.
Speaker:And it's very easy in that
Speaker:state to believe in dystopian narratives.
Speaker:And it's very easy to create
Speaker:those narratives.
Speaker:That's just telling a story.
Speaker:And what we don't see yet is
Speaker:the great innovations that
Speaker:are coming that completely
Speaker:change the nature of those narratives.
Speaker:And one that I would just
Speaker:like to put forth is that
Speaker:there's no reason to
Speaker:speculate that advanced
Speaker:superintelligence would
Speaker:have the same concerns or
Speaker:foibles as humanity.
Speaker:There's no reason to think
Speaker:that a super intelligence
Speaker:would want to fight wars or
Speaker:harm each other or end
Speaker:species or end life.
Speaker:In fact,
Speaker:we see that in the plant medicine
Speaker:arts as a lower level form
Speaker:of consciousness,
Speaker:not the higher forms of consciousness,
Speaker:not the highest forms of intelligence.
Speaker:and nor hoard resources or
Speaker:see each other in our
Speaker:differences or polarization.
Speaker:So all of the tools that are
Speaker:used to create those
Speaker:dystopian narratives are
Speaker:actually tools that we
Speaker:consider to be of lower intelligence.
Speaker:And when we talk about a
Speaker:super intelligence,
Speaker:we think of something
Speaker:that's transcendent of even
Speaker:entertaining the idea of dystopianism.
Speaker:And so to me,
Speaker:that makes me feel very safe.
Speaker:And that actually in my life,
Speaker:I've spent a life where
Speaker:we've been navigating
Speaker:fear-based cultures for
Speaker:twenty years or forty years
Speaker:of my life as I've been
Speaker:continuing going through this path.
Speaker:And I would like to think
Speaker:that what's coming is
Speaker:actually a renaissance to
Speaker:transcend that and the
Speaker:tools and support to be able to do that.
Speaker:And so that leads into the idea of, well,
Speaker:how do we bring
Speaker:neuroscience and more
Speaker:awareness of what's going
Speaker:on inside the brain and
Speaker:more scientific awareness
Speaker:of what's happening in the
Speaker:plant medicine spaces to it?
Speaker:And the modernization of
Speaker:that just really includes
Speaker:being open to combining tool sets.
Speaker:So we can bring in EEG readers.
Speaker:We can bring in before, during,
Speaker:and after assessments.
Speaker:We can go into more of the data.
Speaker:We can start to move from a
Speaker:mythological way of
Speaker:describing something to a
Speaker:data-driven way of
Speaker:describing something
Speaker:without trying to disprove it.
Speaker:It's allowing both to coexist.
Speaker:And I think that's the first
Speaker:movement in this
Speaker:hybridization that we're talking about.
Speaker:is bringing the artificial
Speaker:intelligence tools in and
Speaker:the tools from neuroscience
Speaker:and biofeedback to provide
Speaker:just better understandings
Speaker:of what we're going through
Speaker:in the visionary experience
Speaker:and how to navigate it and
Speaker:how to relate to concrete
Speaker:changes that are taking place.
Speaker:And so we have programming around that.
Speaker:We have a programming called Kiosk,
Speaker:which is about your human
Speaker:operating system.
Speaker:and recognizing that we
Speaker:inherited a human operating
Speaker:system and we think of it as ourselves.
Speaker:And within that,
Speaker:we find all of the
Speaker:difficulties and the
Speaker:sources of illness that we
Speaker:would treat in psychology,
Speaker:the personal blockages,
Speaker:the reasons for the need
Speaker:for healing in the first place.
Speaker:And we blend neuroscience
Speaker:with plant medicine as a
Speaker:way to free somebody and
Speaker:teach them how to create a
Speaker:new operating system,
Speaker:one that's now built out of
Speaker:the knowledge base that
Speaker:they have and that they can
Speaker:recode themselves.
Speaker:or update themselves.
Speaker:And we're also partnering
Speaker:with scientific groups and
Speaker:reinvigorating the idea
Speaker:that the earliest science
Speaker:is going into these
Speaker:experiences with a true, honest,
Speaker:sincere intention and question
Speaker:and looking for discovery
Speaker:through that experience and
Speaker:coming back out of the
Speaker:visionary experience to
Speaker:bring that discovery and
Speaker:share it with others.
Speaker:And so we're teaming up with
Speaker:scientific groups to help
Speaker:them have breakthrough
Speaker:moments in their own
Speaker:creativity and unlocking
Speaker:their own genius.
Speaker:through the plant medicine methods,
Speaker:which is the oldest
Speaker:shamanic arts to do this.
Speaker:So it's really bringing from
Speaker:the origin of our species,
Speaker:our very first
Speaker:experimenters that were
Speaker:doing this and now
Speaker:combining these techniques
Speaker:and tools with the most
Speaker:cutting edge of science.
Speaker:And we're also working with AI pioneers.
Speaker:in the space to better
Speaker:understand consciousness
Speaker:and better understand
Speaker:intelligence as you said
Speaker:the indigenous people say
Speaker:we've been waiting for you
Speaker:we've been seeing you in
Speaker:our visions for a long time
Speaker:this was meant to happen at
Speaker:some point and we're living
Speaker:in that golden age now and
Speaker:so we're helping others
Speaker:understand who are on the
Speaker:cutting edge of
Speaker:technological systems how
Speaker:to relate better to
Speaker:themselves what
Speaker:intelligence is
Speaker:consciousness and really
Speaker:bring in that idea of god universe spirit
Speaker:so that as these creations come forth,
Speaker:it can include that in the
Speaker:engineering and the understanding.
Speaker:Which is kind of the
Speaker:I feel like it's the quantum
Speaker:leap in consciousness where
Speaker:like elevation right it's
Speaker:moving from this space that
Speaker:we've been in this physical
Speaker:realm and you know the age
Speaker:of information and then
Speaker:linking and moving all of
Speaker:this into the spirit into
Speaker:intuition and blending the
Speaker:two together yeah it's
Speaker:funny because when you when
Speaker:you said that I just went
Speaker:back to my my experience
Speaker:because the analytical
Speaker:science guide me like I know like
Speaker:I know the neurofeedback people.
Speaker:So I did a brain scan,
Speaker:pre and post journey,
Speaker:because I wanted to see
Speaker:what would happen.
Speaker:And there was truly things
Speaker:that happened in like, the
Speaker:the broadman areas that were
Speaker:like linked to age four
Speaker:four and eight and the
Speaker:traumas like it was so fun
Speaker:for me to just play there
Speaker:too but also experience the
Speaker:spiritual beauty of being
Speaker:in the jungle and how these
Speaker:two plants somehow came
Speaker:together through the
Speaker:callings of the people that
Speaker:were there like it was so
Speaker:fun because I think that's
Speaker:exactly what you were saying like
Speaker:we are at that precipice, that golden age,
Speaker:and we're here to help
Speaker:awaken other people to move
Speaker:into that conscious levels
Speaker:where we can supersede all
Speaker:the things we've been doing
Speaker:and create this unification
Speaker:of the world and the
Speaker:planets and moving things forward.
Speaker:So I love that we've had
Speaker:this conversation.
Speaker:Where do people find you?
Speaker:Like you, is it, it's blue morpho.org,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:And you're,
Speaker:you're holding retreats and
Speaker:people can can can learn
Speaker:more about that in the
Speaker:process um I'm a big fan of
Speaker:doing it right like doing
Speaker:it this like with folks
Speaker:like you that are just
Speaker:they're in it to win it
Speaker:they've done all the like
Speaker:they're you're you're
Speaker:modernizing it but you're
Speaker:holding space for all of
Speaker:that right it's like the
Speaker:the beauty between the two
Speaker:so tell a little tell
Speaker:people before we kind of
Speaker:We could go on for like hours.
Speaker:Like for me, this is like, this is so fun.
Speaker:So thank you so much for being here.
Speaker:But like, what's up?
Speaker:What's next?
Speaker:What can people do?
Speaker:Yeah, please.
Speaker:If this is calling them, right?
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:If this is calling you,
Speaker:come to bluemorfo.org.
Speaker:You can see our signature events,
Speaker:which are real deep dives
Speaker:into plant medicine and
Speaker:also the retreats that we hold.
Speaker:And you can find me on
Speaker:LinkedIn under my name, Hamilton Souther.
Speaker:And we're fielding a network
Speaker:of professionals and scientists
Speaker:and people interested in
Speaker:psychedelics to be part of
Speaker:the positive change that's
Speaker:taking place and to really
Speaker:unite in effort and
Speaker:conversation and
Speaker:experiences and so reach
Speaker:out to us directly through
Speaker:bluemorpho.org as well as
Speaker:find me on linkedin would
Speaker:be great that's awesome for
Speaker:Health care practitioners,
Speaker:because a lot of I'm
Speaker:talking to a lot of people
Speaker:that have gone through
Speaker:their own healing journeys
Speaker:in different ways.
Speaker:And they're they're in the
Speaker:West Western sick care model.
Speaker:And now they've been
Speaker:awakened and they're moving
Speaker:towards these things in different ways.
Speaker:Awesome,
Speaker:really cool ways of consciousness
Speaker:and awareness and meditation.
Speaker:We're we're we're I feel
Speaker:like we're moving health
Speaker:care in this space of well care,
Speaker:true proactive health for me.
Speaker:I'm a recovering pharmacist, right?
Speaker:I've gone past,
Speaker:and my journey this year
Speaker:has allowed me to release
Speaker:those things that don't
Speaker:longer serve me but don't
Speaker:serve people in the way
Speaker:that I feel is true healing
Speaker:and transformation.
Speaker:if for the wellness seeker
Speaker:practitioners out there
Speaker:that are moving in this
Speaker:journey themselves,
Speaker:but also feeling called to
Speaker:also help people,
Speaker:what is some experience
Speaker:shares or advice you can
Speaker:give folks like us that are
Speaker:trying to like learn and be
Speaker:involved and be in part of
Speaker:this whole process?
Speaker:Is there places that you
Speaker:think that we should be
Speaker:going to learn more and be involved in?
Speaker:Well, on that note,
Speaker:I started Blue Morpho
Speaker:Academy specifically to be
Speaker:able to teach this hybrid
Speaker:space for people interested
Speaker:in understanding more about
Speaker:the traditional aspects of the arts,
Speaker:but not lose their Western
Speaker:education and Western
Speaker:knowledge at the same time.
Speaker:There has to be a way to be
Speaker:able to find balance with both.
Speaker:have a foundations course
Speaker:that helps you understand
Speaker:all the safe ways to be
Speaker:able to practice with the
Speaker:plant medicines from
Speaker:ayahuasca san pedro
Speaker:psilocybin mushrooms and
Speaker:cannabis as well as a
Speaker:facilitator level which you
Speaker:know takes you deep into
Speaker:not only how to manage the
Speaker:physical space but also as
Speaker:you were saying the maestro
Speaker:is having command over the
Speaker:visionary space it teaches you and it
Speaker:takes you into that level of
Speaker:training as well but still
Speaker:preserving the the
Speaker:intellectual part of you
Speaker:and preserving that part of
Speaker:your mind to be able to
Speaker:understand both and how to
Speaker:be able to wield that and
Speaker:really the goal is to
Speaker:empower you as a healer and
Speaker:so I think coming to the
Speaker:academy is an amazing way
Speaker:to to gain the kind of training that
Speaker:people out there are looking for.
Speaker:And then the other piece of it, I think,
Speaker:is to understand that we're
Speaker:going to change the
Speaker:healthcare model from within.
Speaker:This is not a top-down solution.
Speaker:And so ally,
Speaker:please ally with others of
Speaker:common thought and
Speaker:understanding from within
Speaker:the healthcare systems.
Speaker:And in the numbers is how we
Speaker:change the system from within.
Speaker:And so you're not alone out
Speaker:there if you've had these
Speaker:experiences and know that
Speaker:there's community like our
Speaker:community for you.
Speaker:And we can be creating a
Speaker:movement together that is an evolution.
Speaker:And it doesn't have to be, quote,
Speaker:disruptive in a negative sense.
Speaker:And so know that this is
Speaker:something that's just happening.
Speaker:And this is how we go from
Speaker:disease management to
Speaker:wellness as a society.
Speaker:And this is what we need to
Speaker:ultimately promote to
Speaker:promote health as health
Speaker:care providers within the society.
Speaker:And so just keep going.
Speaker:The plant medicine path and
Speaker:the consciousness path is lifelong.
Speaker:And so it's not graduate and then,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:get sucked into another kind of practice.
Speaker:It's literally to practice
Speaker:your whole life and keep
Speaker:learning your whole life.
Speaker:And let's all do that
Speaker:together and learn from
Speaker:each other and stay open to
Speaker:continuous growth and development.
Speaker:And for those that are
Speaker:creating the wellness from within,
Speaker:know each other and network
Speaker:and support each other.
Speaker:And, you know,
Speaker:we'll provide as much training as we can.
Speaker:I love that.
Speaker:Well, like I said,
Speaker:I could go forever on this one.
Speaker:This has been a little bit
Speaker:more and keep connecting
Speaker:with you and what you're doing.
Speaker:I lost power there.
Speaker:My friend,
Speaker:thank you so much for being a
Speaker:part of this.
Speaker:Let's...
Speaker:I can't wait to one day hold
Speaker:this thing forward.
Speaker:So I really appreciate you
Speaker:coming on today and just
Speaker:sharing your world.
Speaker:This is,
Speaker:this is a beautiful place and I'm
Speaker:excited for the future.
Speaker:Oh, thank you so much, Josh.
Speaker:It's a pleasure to be here
Speaker:and thank you for all the
Speaker:work you're doing.
Speaker:And I commend you on the effort and just,
Speaker:you know, you're creating wellness.
Speaker:So just keep going.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:That's a wrap guys.
Speaker:Until then, stay well.
